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Reasoning in the holy spirit

Discussion in 'Christian Theology Forum' started by univac, Jul 10, 2008.

  1. univac

    univac New Member

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    Matthew 24:29:3129Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not shed its light, and the stars will fall from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.(See also Mark 13:24:25 and Revelation 6:12:13)30Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn and beat their breasts and lament in anguish, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory [in brilliancy and splendour. See also Mark 13:2631 And he will send out His angels with a load trumpet call, and they will gather His chosen from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. See also Mark 13:27As fellow christians in the holy spirit, what are your resonings of these questions through the holy bible.?1 Who are the first fruits?2 Who have came out after the great tribulation?3 What is it mean"t by the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not shed its light, and the stars will fall from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.?4 When will we see the lord coming down on the clouds of heaven with great power and great glory, before or after the tribulation?5 When will the lord Rapture his chosen one's from the four corners of the earth, after or before the tribulation.God bless
     
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    univacThe "God's Word Christian Bible Study" found in the first section of this forum will answer these questions. Take a look!
     
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    IN THE NAME OF THE FATHER AND OF THE SON AND OF THE HOLY SPIRITHERE I AM AGAIN TO SHARE THE TRUTH OF GOD LOVEThe coming of THE SON OF MAN :-Before THE SON OF MAN COME, in Mark 13: 1-23 JESUS give the clue.The Prohets of the BIBLE had spoken in a rather obscure way of the end of the world that would initiate GOD'S universal Kingdom.AS THE HOLY SPIRIT WORK IN THEM, they informed us that all nation of the world join forces to destroy THE HOLY CITY OF JERUSALEM, but right at the moment of greatest despair GOD would intervene in triumphant way to establish HIS OWN KINGDOM (IS 66:18, EZK 38, JL 4, ZEC 14)This is why,when JESUS speaks of the destrustion of The Temple, the APOSTLES think of the end of the world. The answer of JESUS is very clear; the tragedy that will end with destruction of JERUSALEM is near...but THAT SHALL NOT BE THE END OF THE WORLD.JESUS speaks of an even more important event: the end of the world or, better still, it tranformation.THE SUN WILL GROW DARK, THE MOON WILL NOT GIVE LIGHT (VERSE 24). These are images taken from ISAIAH 13:10 and 34:4 that express the confusion, the surprise and the disintegration of the people and the universe before the majesty of the Supreme judge.HE WILL SEND THE ANGELS. This is also a common image in which mentioned in Revelation 8:12 and Daniel 7:13 that spoke of GOD JUDGEMENT'S.likewise, THE TRUMPET referred to Matthew 24:31 and 1 Thessalonians 4: 16 should not be understood literally...."For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first."LEARN A LESSON...JESUS come back to bring destruction of Jerusalem it also related with the day of judgement, called the "DAY OF YAWWEH" in the Prohets(AMOS, ZEP 1:15)NO ONE KNOWS WHEN...JESUS states clearly. SO BE ON GUARD, After speaking about the imminent end of Jerusalem ( Luke 21:28-32) LUKE speaks of that day which conlude human history with the coming of CHRIST, the judge (verses 34-36)SO BE ON GUARD,this invitation is not only addressed to those who will know that day, but for everyone, throughout the history of the church. Once more HE invites us to watch and pray while the world is asleep (EPH 6:18)That you may be able to stand: to avoid errors and deceit (2 Thes 2: 9, 1 Thes 3: 13) during the trials preceding CHRIST coming.THE PRAYER "OUR FATHER" expresses the same concern. Those who are expecting the coming of THE KINGDOM MUST PRAY: DO NOT BRING US TO THE TEST BUT DELIVER US FROM THE EVIL ONE. AMEN.MAY GOD BLESS ALLAMENFROM WATT
     
  4. univac

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    Thankyou watt for your reasoning in truthThis is my reasoning of the meaning.Matthew 24:29:3129Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not shed its light, and the stars will fall from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. (See also Mark 13:24:25 and Revelation 6:12:30Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn and beat their breasts and lament in anguish, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory [in brilliancy and splendour. See also Mark 13:2631 And he will send out His angels with a load trumpet call, and they will gather His chosen from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. See also Mark 13:27As fellow Christians in the holy spirit, what are your reasoning of these questions through the holy bible.? 1 Who are the first fruits?See Rev 14:1:52 Who have came out after the great tribulation?See Revelation 7 9:173 What is it meant by the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not shed its light, and the stars will fall from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.? See Revelation 12:7:94 When will we see the lord coming down on the clouds of heaven with great power and great glory, before or after the tribulation?See Matt 24:29:31 and Mark 13:24:275 When will the lord Rapture his chosen one's from the four corners of the earth, after or before the tribulation. See Matt 24:29:31 and Mark 13:24:27God bless always
     
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    The first resurrected are the Elect those that overcome the tribulation that do not follow Antichrist/satan.Blessed are they that overcome until the End(Rev 20:6 )Rev. 12 7-9 is the 5th/6th trump When Satan/Antichrist and his fallen Angels (stars) are come down to earth this is the tribulation. The lord does not return until the 7th and Last trump And there is no Rapture written of in scripture its called Rapture theory because that's what it is a theory by men The only time we are gathered to the Lord is after the tribulation and the man of lawlessness comes (2 Thess.) 2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for [that day shall not come], except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;There is only one son of perdition and that is Satan. Satan/Antichrist is revealed at the 5th/6th trump Christ will not return until after that revealing at the 7th trump.
     
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    Matthew 24:29:3129Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not shed its light, and the stars will fall from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.(See also Mark 13:24:25 and Revelation 6:12:13)
     
  7. univac

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    Transfiguration from flesh to spirit beings Angels through the coming of our lord Jesus, at the end of the tribulation.So controversy can be eliminated the word I us now is gathering (transfiguration).As two will be in the field and one will be taken.The one that stays is the one that is transformed to spirit being Angel,as No flesh can survive the brightness of our Lord Jesus coming. Must I be carried to the skies ,On flowery beds of ease,While others fought to win the prize ,And sailed through bloody seas?2 Thess 2:8And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:1 Who are the first fruits? Revelation 14.1-5The Lamb and the 144,00014Then I looked, and there was the Lamb, standing on Mount Zion! And with him were one hundred and forty-four thousand who had his name and his Father’s name written on their foreheads. 2And I heard a voice from heaven like the sound of many waters and like the sound of loud thunder; the voice I heard was like the sound of harpists playing on their harps, 3and they sing a new song before the throne and before the four living creatures and before the elders. No one could learn that song except the one hundred forty-four thousand who have been redeemed from the earth. 4It is these who have not defiled themselves with women, for they are virgins; these follow the Lamb wherever he goes. They have been redeemed from humankind as first fruits for God and the Lamb, 5and in their mouth no lie was found; they are blameless. 2 Who have came out after the great tribulation?Revelation 7:9-17After this I looked, and there was a great multitude that no one could count, from every nation, from all tribes and peoples and languages, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, robed in white, with palm branches in their hands. 10They cried out in a loud voice, saying, “Salvation belongs to our God who is seated on the throne, and to the Lamb!” 11And all the angels stood around the throne and around the elders and the four living creatures, and they fell on their faces before the throne and worshiped God, 12singing, “Amen! Blessing and glory and wisdom and thanksgiving and honour and power and might be to our God forever and ever! Amen.”13Then one of the elders addressed me, saying, “Who are these, robed in white, and where have they come from?” 14I said to him, “Sir, you are the one that knows.” Then he said to me, “These are they who have come out of the great ordeal; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. 15For this reason they are before the throne of God, and worship him day and night within his temple, and the one who is seated on the throne will shelter them. 16They will hunger no more, and thirst no more; the sun will not strike them, nor any scorching heat; 17for the Lamb at the centre of the throne will be their shepherd, and he will guide them to springs of the water of life, and God will wipe away every tear from their eyes.”3 What is it meant by the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not shed its light, and the stars will fall from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.? JOEL 2:5:11#5 Like the noise of chariots on the tops of mountains shall they leap, like the noise of a flame of fire that devoured the stubble, as a strong people set in battle array. Rev. 9.7-9#6 Before their face the people shall be much pained: all faces shall gather blackness.#7 They shall run like mighty men; they shall climb the wall like men of war; and they shall march every one on his ways, and they shall not break their ranks:#8 neither shall one thrust another; they shall walk every one in his path: and when they fall upon the sword, they shall not be wounded.#9 They shall run to and fro in the city; they shall run upon the wall, they shall climb up upon the houses; they shall enter in at the windows like a thief.#10 The earth shall quake before them; the heavens shall tremble: the sun and the moon shall be dark, and the stars shall withdraw their shining: Rev. 8.12#11 and the LORD shall utter his voice before his army: for his camp ishe is strong that executeth his word: for the day of the Lord very great: for lord is great and very terrible; and who can abide it? Rev. 6.174 When will we see the lord coming down on the clouds of heaven with great power and great glory, before or after the tribulation?After the tribulationMatthew 24:29:3129Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not shed its light, and the stars will fall from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.Joel 2: 28:3228 And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:29 And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit.30 And I will show wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke.31 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and terrible day of the LORD come.32 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call.5 When will the lord Rapture his chosen one's from the four corners of the earth, after or before the tribulation.There is no rapture but as the bible states (a gathering) to from the four corners of the earth)Thess 4:13:1413Brothers, we do not want you to be ignorant about those who fall asleep, or to grieve like the rest of men, who have no hope.14We believe that Jesus died and rose again and so we believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in him.For he is the God of the living and not the deadMark 12:23;2723 At the resurrection (when they arise) whose wife will she be? For all seven had been married to her."24 Jesus said to them, "Are you not misled because you do not know the scriptures or the power of God?25 When they rise from the dead, they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but they are like the angels in heaven.26 As for the dead being raised, have you not read in the Book of Moses, in the passage about the bush, how God told him, 'I am the God of Abraham, (the) God of Isaac, and (the) God of Jacob'? 27 He is not God of the dead but of the living. You are greatly misled."Thess 4:15:1615 According to the Lord's own word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left till the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep. ( not asleep but ,angels in heaven according to Mark 12:23;27)16For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. (first fruits 144000) Revelations 14:3:4And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred [and] forty [and] four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth. These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, [being] the first fruits unto God and to the Lamb.Thess 4:1717After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever. (As angles in kingdom of heaven)Rev 14:11;13And after three days and an half the spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.For those who are saved and die go straight to heaven at this present time, and become angels, and for those who are not saved await judgement in a dark dark place God bless always
     
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