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This is an article for the magazine in India that is run by a friend of mine, Melchishua Paul.

As I have been frequenting internet message boards, the subject has come up of whether repentance is a prerequisite for salvation.

Some on the boards have taken the ungodly and unbiblical position that salvation can be obtained apart from turning away from sin; and have gone so far as to say that those who preach otherwise are preaching a false and perverted gospel.

We will make our case on the basic premise that all scripture is inspired of the Lord and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, and for instruction in righteousness. Our basic text will be Ezekiel 33:11-20.

Eze 33:11, Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die, O house of Israel?
Eze 33:12, Therefore, thou son of man, say unto the children of thy people, The righteousness of the righteous shall not deliver him in the day of his transgression: as for the wickedness of the wicked, he shall not fall thereby in the day that he turneth from his wickedness; neither shall the righteous be able to live for his righteousness in the day that he sinneth.
Eze 33:13, When I shall say to the righteous, that he shall surely live; if he trust to his own righteousness, and commit iniquity, all his righteousnesses shall not be remembered; but for his iniquity that he hath committed, he shall die for it.
Eze 33:14, Again, when I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; if he turn from his sin, and do that which is lawful and right;
Eze 33:15, If the wicked restore the pledge, give again that he had robbed, walk in the statutes of life, without committing iniquity; he shall surely live, he shall not die.
Eze 33:16, None of his sins that he hath committed shall be mentioned unto him: he hath done that which is lawful and right; he shall surely live.
Eze 33:17, Yet the children of thy people say, The way of the Lord is not equal: but as for them, their way is not equal.
Eze 33:18, When the righteous turneth from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, he shall even die thereby.
Eze 33:19, But if the wicked turn from his wickedness, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall live thereby.
Eze 33:20, Yet ye say, The way of the Lord is not equal. O ye house of Israel, I will judge you every one after his ways.


In v.11, we find that God has no pleasure in the death of the wicked that he should die. He teaches us here that the way that the wicked man can avoid death is that the wicked turn from his evil way and he will live.

In v.12, If once you have been made righteous, you turn back to walking in the direction of sin, your previous righteousness will not deliver you in the day that you turn towards sin. God repeats this twice in the same verse so this is something that He really means. Also, if a wicked man turns from his iniquity, he shall not fall for that iniquity in the day that he turns from his iniquity.

This would seem to indicate that one can enter into a situation where they are walking back and forth, once heading towards righteousness, then heading towards sin, then heading towards righteousness again; so that he keeps changing his direction back and forth. Such a situation will never help you to reach your destination. It is important that you turn towards righteousness and continue to walk in that direction. If you turn back towards sin, you may not be able to turn towards righteousness again; for once you commit sin you become a slave of sin (John 8:34); and therefore it may not be so easy to turn again towards righteousness. It is therefore important that, once you have made a clean break as concerning sin, that you continue to walk in the direction of righteousness.

In v.13, God may say to the person who has turned towards righteousness that he shall surely live; but if he trusts in his righteousness, and commits iniquity, he shall die for his sin. His righteosuness will not be remembered.

There are those who trust that they have the righteousness of Jesus Christ imputed to them and they trust in that righteousness. However, if they do not live out that righteousness, but decide that they can commit iniquity and they will still be righteous, they will find that the above reality is true in their lives. They shall die for their iniquity and their righteousness will not be remembered.

In v.14-16, If God says to a wicked person that he shall surely die, he will most assuredly live if he turns from his iniquity and begins to do what is lawful and right. This would consist of such things as restoring the pledge, giving back what he has robbed, and walking in the statutes of life, without committing iniquity.

In v.17, God gives the response of the people to this doctrine that the Lord has set forth. God knows that the people of Israel (and sometimes people in the church also) are a hard-hearted and stiff-necked people; and that their response to the Lord's doctrine is to say that the way of the Lord is not equal. But it is their way that is not equal.

In v.18, When the righteous person turns from his righteousness, and commits iniquity, he will even die thereby; that is, he will perish because of his iniquity.

In v.19, When the wicked turns from his wickedness, and does what is lawful and right, he shall even live thereby; that is, he will be saved because he has repented from walking in the direction of sin.

And in v.20, we find the reality that the people say to all of this that the way of the Lord is not equal. Yet the Lord says to them that He will judge them for all of their ways.
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It should be clear that we have a definite formula on how to be saved in Romans 10:8-13. It would seem that if anyone calls on the name of the Lord (Jesus Christ of Nazareth, Acts 4:10-12), they shall be saved (Romans 10:13).

But to be more precise, we must confess with our mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in our heart that God hath raised Him from the dead. This would mean that Jesus IS the Lord of our life. Because we can just mouth the words, "Jesus is the Lord" but if He is not, it really is not a confession; because a confession is to agree with God. And if Jesus is not your Lord, to say that He is, is not to agree with God; because God is not saying it because it is not the truth (and we know that God is a God of truth...that should go without saying...but some might even contend otherwise, the way I see things going in the church today).

It should be clear that Jesus came into the world to save His people from their sins (Matthew 1:21) and that He died on the Cross to redeem us from all iniquity (Titus 2:14-15).

There is a "greasy grace" message out there that people fall for hook, line, and sinker.

It is what the apostle Jude wrote about in his letter.

Jde 1:3, Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.
Jde 1:4, For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.


In the NIV it says that these false teachers "turn the grace of God into a license for immorality."

They teach that grace means that you can do whatever you want; even if what you want to do is to indulge the flesh.

However, it should be clear that those who are born again do not walk after the flesh but after the Spirit. It is written,

Rom 8:1, There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Rom 8:2, For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
Rom 8:3, For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
Rom 8:4, That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Rom 8:5, For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
Rom 8:6, For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
Rom 8:7, Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
Rom 8:8, So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
 
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(cont'd)...

Now we receive the Holy Spirit through faith in Jesus Christ (Galatians 3:14) and if we have been given the Holy Spirit, we obey Him (Acts of the Apostles 5:32).

There is more to that passage.

Rom 8:9, But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
Rom 8:10, And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
Rom 8:11, But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
Rom 8:12, Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
Rom 8:13, For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
Rom 8:14, For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.


In v. 12, it should be clear that if you have the Holy Spirit, you are not obligated to walk after the flesh and it may even be that you owe it to God to walk according to the Spirit.

Here is another passage that is of relevance.

Gal 5:16, This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
Gal 5:17, For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
Gal 5:18, But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
Gal 5:19, Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Gal 5:20, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
Gal 5:21, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
Gal 5:22, But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Gal 5:23, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.


This passage tells us what it means to walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit; and it is a companion passage to Romans 8:1-14; which we have shared above.
 

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(cont'd)...

Now we receive the Holy Spirit through faith in Jesus Christ (Galatians 3:14) and if we have been given the Holy Spirit, we obey Him (Acts of the Apostles 5:32).

There is more to that passage.

Rom 8:9, But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
Rom 8:10, And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
Rom 8:11, But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
Rom 8:12, Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
Rom 8:13, For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
Rom 8:14, For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.


In v. 12, it should be clear that if you have the Holy Spirit, you are not obligated to walk after the flesh and it may even be that you owe it to God to walk according to the Spirit.

Here is another passage that is of relevance.

Gal 5:16, This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
Gal 5:17, For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
Gal 5:18, But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
Gal 5:19, Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Gal 5:20, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
Gal 5:21, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
Gal 5:22, But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Gal 5:23, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.


This passage tells us what it means to walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit; and it is a companion passage to Romans 8:1-14; which we have shared above.


.....same old story....”Sure, Jesus Saves —- BUT! Nah, not buying it.

“ Anybody that Asks to be Saved, WILL BE Saved” ....the Onus is on God to keep His Word ....you keep saying over and over and over again, “ God is a Gentleman” ......I agree with that ....and a “ Gentleman wouldn’t tell lies.....would he?

Now please excuse me as I go back to RESTING in the Gospel Of 1Cor 15:1-4.......Jesus said, using Paul as His Mouthpiece , That If we simply BELIEVED that Christ died for our Sins( the crux of your problem because you don’t really believe it), and also Believe that He rose from the dead, we would be Saved.....That Works for me.....it’s sad that you lack the Faith that I have and that you feel the need to ADD to the Gospel, essentially making yourself a “ Co -Savior”...... God won’t have it.
 

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There is a "greasy grace" message out there that people fall for hook, line, and sinker.


All those that would try to debase the Amazing Grace Of God By calling it “ greasy” automatically must consider the Holy Blood that “PURCHASED” that Grace as being “ Greasy” also.....Shame on you......it’s no small wonder you are “ Accursed” .....May God Forgive me....I rejoice in that Fact.Such an insult to the Grace of God and the Blood that payed the Price for it is deserving of Damnation....Maybe some day you will practice what you preach —— REPENT!
 
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There is a "greasy grace" message out there that people fall for hook, line, and sinker.


All those that would try to debase the Amazing Grace Of God By calling it “ greasy” automatically must consider the Holy Blood that “PURCHASED” that Grace as being “ Greasy” also.....Shame on you......it’s no small wonder you are “ Accursed” .....May God Forgive me....I rejoice in that Fact.Such an insult to the Grace of God and the Blood that payed the Price for it is deserving of Damnation....Maybe some day you will practice what you preach —— REPENT!
Of course, the true grace of God isn't "greasy".

This is the true grace of God.

1Pe 5:10, But the God of all grace, who hath called us unto his eternal glory by Christ Jesus, after that ye have suffered a while, make you perfect, stablish, strengthen, settle you.
1Pe 5:11, To him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.
1Pe 5:12, By Silvanus, a faithful brother unto you, as I suppose, I have written briefly, exhorting, and testifying that this is the true grace of God wherein ye stand.

And Jesus' blood is not "greasy" either; because I am certain that He was no glutton and therefore He did not eat fatty foods.
 

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“ Anybody that Asks to be Saved, WILL BE Saved”
That is not scripture. And, it can be taken to mean that a person can ask Allah to save them and they will be saved; or that a person can ask God to save them apart from faith in Jesus Christ and they will be saved.

False doctrine and heresy, I'm sorry to say.
 
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Now please excuse me as I go back to RESTING in the Gospel Of 1Cor 15:1-4.......Jesus said, using Paul as His Mouthpiece , That If we simply BELIEVED that Christ died for our Sins( the crux of your problem because you don’t really believe it),
1) I believe that Jesus died for my sins (and you misrepresent me to say that I don't); and,

2) If you are redeemed through the gospel of 1 Corinthians 15:1-4, then you are justified by His blood (Romans 5:9).

But if you are justified by His blood, you are also sanctified by it (Hebrews 13:12, Hebrews 10:29) and cleansed from all sin (1 John 1:7).

Because the blood of Jesus, when applied, cannot fail to perform all of its functions.
 

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And Jesus' blood is not "greasy" either; because I am certain that He was no glutton and therefore He did not eat fatty foods.



Haha.....that’s it......try to make a joke out of your blasphemous “ beliefs”.... you have shown your heart....Nobody’s Buying your attempt to “ laugh it off”.....
“ Greasy Blood and Lucky Repentance”.......that’s your true doctrine.....you are too cowardly to Own It.....
 

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That is not scripture. And, it can be taken to mean that a person can ask Allah to save them and they will be saved; or that a person can ask God to save them apart from faith in Jesus Christ and they will be saved.

False doctrine and heresy, I'm sorry to say.



Wow ......you have reached a new low.....If what you say is true, that makes the prophet Joel a heretical Liar ( Joel 2:32.....”and everyone that calls upon the name of the Lord will be Saved”

If what you say is true, Jesus and Paul are Heretical Liars ( Rom 10:13.....” Everyone that calls on the name of the Lord will be Saved.”

God should have checked with you before He allowed these verses to be put in His Bible....He must have been unaware of all of these problem areas you conjured up that He was too dumb to see......

If you have some type of “ ministry” somewhere .....you need to get the hell out of it before God strikes you dead in your tracks.....you are a sad, dangerous Joke.....
 

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I believe that Jesus died for my sins (and you misrepresent me to say that I don't);


You mouth the words, “Jesus died for my sins” because you have heard those words so many times , you just say them without thinking....
This is also pretty much the manner in which you hypocritically sing “Nothing But The Blood”—— you no more understand or believe the Truth Of that Song than you Believe the Gospel ( without your Perverted Additions to it)

If you truly believed that Jesus died for your sins, you would not be scared to death that you will die without Repenting of all of them....
 

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What repentance is asked of the Christians is from sin. This repentance is not for the unsaved but for the saved. Obviously this is not a requirement for their salvation in as much as they are already saved.

What repentance is asked of the rest of the world is from unbelief in the one true God, the God of Abraham, of Isaac, of Jacob, of Moses, and unbelief in whom the Father have sent, His only begotten Son, Jesus Christ. This repentance is for the yet unsaved and lost.

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I really don’t find it appropriate to say that repentance (unto God) is a requirement for salvation. I consider repentance as that which gets one prepared for the salvation of God.

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I really don’t find it appropriate to say that repentance (unto God) is a requirement for salvation. I consider repentance as that which gets one prepared for the salvation of God.

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What do you suppose this means?

Rev. 3:5
"Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent."
 

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So if you aren't scared to death, what's your excuse for not repenting?


50 years ago I Repented from the sin of “ self-Righteousness”..... THAT Repentance lead me to my Salvation.....

I had a “ mind change” that transformed my entire life.....
I used to think that even though I wasn’t “Perfect” , I was still “ good enough” to make it to Heaven......that is “ self-Righteousness”..... that is one thing that we can be assured of will not be found in Heaven...

I was blessed by a visit from the Holy Spirit that opened my eyes to who I really was in the eyes of Holy, Perfect God......I was NOT “ good enough” to go to Heaven just because I was not some murderer or rapist or somebody locked up in prison....I was a Lost, Wretched Sinner who needed a Savior to Forgive and Save me.....

I underwent Biblical steps to get Saved and I was too Bible - Ignorant to know it.....despite a lifetime of “ playing church”....

God did me a huge favor of showing me the reality of who I was and where I was headed— hell.
All I knew to do was to “Turn to God” like the Sinful Tax- Collector did and cry out “Lord, have mercy on me a Sinner”
Without even knowing it, I had put my Faith in a Promise Of God , “ Turn to Me and I will Turn to You” ...... Life has not been the same since.....
THAT is the Repentance That Saves.......
SINCE becoming Saved, I “AUTOMATICALLY” Repent Of any of my frequent sins, because things that used to not bother me , now seem to bother me immensely ......Now that I have a “ New Heart”, I find that the sins that used to be pleasurable , now have the appeal of sticking my hand in a fire....

I repent when I sin because it restores my Peace with God.Try getting your prayers answered when you are Sinning and try to “ sweep it under the Rug”........Sin needs to be acknowledged and apologized for and dealt with to restore a temporarily “ bruised” relationship....

None of the above has anything to with my Salvation.....that happened when I “ turned to God” as a Lost Sinner and Trusted Jesus to Save me.....The process I just described was for “ Born Again” people.....New Creations.....the Unsaved Man doesn’t have a damaged relationship with God.....He has no relationship , period.....

Repentance is mandatory for Salvation, but one must understand the different types of it and the different ways to apply it in your life......

Try the “ Turn to God as a Lost Sinner” type of Repentance if you want to get Saved—— God will then put His Spirit in you and the other type will occur naturally....
 
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50 years ago I Repented from the sin of “ self-Righteousness”..... THAT Repentance lead me to my Salvation.....

I had a “ mind change” that transformed my entire life.....
I used to think that even though I wasn’t “Perfect” , I was still “ good enough” to make it to Heaven

I was blessed by a visit from the Holy Spirit that opened my eyes to who I really was in the eyes of Holy, Perfect God......I was NOT “ good enough” to go to Heaven just because I was not some murderer or rapist or somebody locked up in prison....I was a Lost, Wretched Sinner who needed a Savior to Forgive and Save me.....

I underwent Biblical steps to get Saved and I was too Bible - Ignorant to know it.....despite a lifetime of “ playing church”....

God did me a huge favor of showing me the reality of who I was and where I was headed— hell.
All I knew to do was to “Turn to God” like the Sinful Tax- Collector did and cry out “Lord, have mercy on me a Sinner”
Without even knowing it, I had put my Faith in a Promise Of God , “ Turn to Me and I will Turn to You” ...... Life has not been the same since.....
THAT is the Repentance That Saves.......
SINCE becoming Saved, I “AUTOMATICALLY” Repent Of any of my frequent sins, because things that used to not bother me , now seem to bother me immensely ......Now that I have a “ New Heart”, I find that the sins that used to be pleasurable , now have the appeal of sticking my hand in a fire....

I repent when I sin because it restores my Peace with God.Try getting your prayers answered when you are Sinning and try to “ sweep it under the Rug”........Sin needs to be acknowledged and apologized for and dealt with to restore a temporarily “ bruised” relationship....

None of the above has anything to with my Salvation.....that happened when I “ turned to God” as a Lost Sinner and Trusted Jesus to Save me.....The process I just described was for “ Born Again” people.....New Creations.....the Unsaved Man doesn’t have a damaged relationship with God.....He has no relationship , period.....

Repentance is mandatory for Salvation, but one must understand the different types of it and the different ways to apply it in your life......

Try the “ Turn to God as a Lost Sinner” type of Repentance if you want to get Saved—— God will then put His Spirit in you and the other type will occur naturally....
I like your post until your last paragraph that excited some doubt as to my own situation. Author of may surprise you, I followed somewhat of a similar path as yourself. The theology of salvation came to me a long time after the experience.
I do have a question however. I do agree that Christians do indeed sense in their conscience a need to turn away from sin as the Spirit of God prompts. And I would add that in reading God's word, for example Exodus 20, we may, if we believe God's word, we may be convicted of sin through our faith in God's word. My question though, what of a Christian ignores his own conscience in favor of the the fleshly lust, or whatever is motivating his sin?
 

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I really don’t find it appropriate to say that repentance (unto God) is a requirement for salvation. I consider repentance as that which gets one prepared for the salvation of God.

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Don't get what you are saying. Is repentance necessary in order to be saved, or not? Someone can be saved without repentance? Seriously? If so, please explain how.