Rev 7:14 Great Tribulation?

[ATP]

Is this referring to the last 3.5 years of humanity or the last 2,000 years?

Rev 7:14 NIV I answered, “Sir, you know.” And he said, “These are they who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

 

[keras]

Revelation chapter 7 follows immediately after chapter 6. Unless there is good reason for saying they aren't chronological, then it is normal and best practice to assume they are in correct sequence. Therefore the events described in ch 7 happen soon after the Sixth Seal, terrible worldwide disaster of the Lord's Day of wrath.

When the truth of God's plan for His people is properly understood, to have a people in His Holy land, being a light to the nations, the gathering of all the Israelites, be they true descendants of Jacob or grafted in; as Rev. 7:9 from every tribe, nation and language.....THEN we know the great tribulation of Rev. 7:14 is not the Great Tribulation of the 7 Trumpets and 7 Bowls, that happens during the 3.5 years before the Return. In my REBible it is rendered as; the great ordeal.
WE can be sure all this happens on earth; in Jerusalem because at the same event, in Rev 14:2 I heard a great sound FROM heaven.....

The great ordeal of the Sixth Seal, is the forthcoming world changer. Over 100 prophesies vividly describe the dramatic effects of this earth directed explosion of the sun. Isaiah 30:26, Malachi 4:1, 2 Peter 3:7. It will come upon everyone, Luke 21:35, and it is our test by fire. 1 Peter 4:12, Hebrews 10:27, 1 Cor. 3:13-15

 

[ATP]

THEN we know the great tribulation of Rev. 7:14 is not the Great Tribulation of the 7 Trumpets and 7 Bowls, that happens during the 3.5 years before the Return.

Not to mention John is seeing a vision..Rev 7:9 NIV After this I looked, and there before me was a great multitude that no one could count, from every nation, tribe, people and language, standing before the throne and before the Lamb. They were wearing white robes and were holding palm branches in their hands.

So the great tribulation here speaks of persecution for the last 2,000 years?

 

[keras]

Not to mention John is seeing a vision..Rev 7:9 NIV After this I looked, and there before me was a great multitude that no one could count, from every nation, tribe, people and language, standing before the throne and before the Lamb. They were wearing white robes and were holding palm branches in their hands.

So the great tribulation here speaks of persecution for the last 2,000 years?

No, it refers to the great ordeal of the Sixth Seal; the terrible Day of the Lord's vengeance and wrath. The fulfilment of Psalm 83 and over 100 other prophesies describing a worldwide catastrophe of fire from the sun, that will de populate the Middle East and dramatically affect all the world. Those who maintain their faith are in Rev 7:9. Pray to be among them!

 

[avoice]

No, it refers to the great ordeal of the Sixth Seal; the terrible Day of the Lord's vengeance and wrath. The fulfilment of Psalm 83 and over 100 other prophesies describing a worldwide catastrophe of fire from the sun, that will de populate the Middle East and dramatically affect all the world. Those who maintain their faith are in Rev 7:9. Pray to be among them!

No the sixth seal discribes the 7th trump Christ returns at the seventh trump The Lords Day .....

The 6th seal may have an earthquake and some effects here on earth but it describes the 7th trump
The Day of the Lord is the 7th trumpet not before.

The sixth seal answers the questions of the saints in the 5th seal .... They ask how long and the 6th seal is the answer by the Lord it describes 7th trump his coming and the last 7 vials/bowls.
Notice the pattern of where this happening first four seals are literal happening on earth ...5th 6th and 7th seal are happening in heaven ....
5th ,,,Saints ask ...6th earthquake,.and God answers..... 7th seal trumps are handed out to the angels ...

Its important one notice the 6th Seal describes the 7th trump ...as the Antichrist is likely to use earthquake of the sixth seal to claim he is god....

 

[keras]

Sorry avoice, shuffling the given sequence of Revelation is not advisable.
What is described in the Sixth Seal, happens when that Seal is opened - the cosmic and earthly events as graphically reiterated in 100 + other prophesies.

You miss out the Seventh Seal time gap, and we know there must be several years from then until Jesus Returns.

As the AC isn't around as yet, it will be the Sixth Seal worldwide disaster that will enable the formation of a OWG, that the AC will eventually become dictator of.

 

[avoice]

keras, on 02 Jan 2016 - 3:08 PM, said:keras, on 02 Jan 2016 - 3:08 PM, said:

Sorry avoice, shuffling the given sequence of Revelation is not advisable.
What is described in the Sixth Seal, happens when that Seal is opened - the cosmic and earthly events as graphically reiterated in 100 + other prophesies.

You miss out the Seventh Seal time gap, and we know there must be several years from then until Jesus Returns.

As the AC isn't around as yet, it will be the Sixth Seal worldwide disaster that will enable the formation of a OWG, that the AC will eventually become dictator of.

Im not taking anything out of order what part of the 6th is the full answer to the 5th do you not get ... Antichrist is the rider on the white horse in the first seal he just hasn't taken his place as god yet ... If you don't know when the Lords day is ...better go back to the bible ... He wont be here until after the tribulation

Mat24:29 “Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken
Is the same as Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,
17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.
18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.
19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.
If you put these together you will see there is an earthquake hail sun darkened etc etc same as the sixth seal .... We are supposed to know when and what the great day of the Lord is and its not the 6th seal .... Those are just the facts ... There is one Lords Day and it happens at the 7 th trump which is after all the seals and the first 6 trumps in order. Anyone any sooner is a fake ...
I only point this out to those who might be reading because you are telling them wrong ...

I suggest if you want to identify the rider on the white horse you read Daniel 11: 21 to the end ...
The great tribulation is the last 3.5 years (rev 13 and begins with the 5 trump (midweek ) the seals and the first 4 trumps happen in the first 3.5 years of 7 year period...

 

[keras]

Sure the great Day of the Sovereign Lord, Revelation 16:14 and Rev. 19:11, is the Return of Jesus for His Millennial reign, after the G.T.
But the Sixth Seal is the terrible Day of the wrath of Almighty God and the Lamb, a different event and years earlier. It is the next prophesied event we can expect to happen.
Do you think that prophesies like Amos 5:18-20 and Zephaniah 1:14-18 relate to the glorious Return?

There are several times that God will cause darkening of the sun, moon and stars, at least 4 earthquakes and 3 judgements. They are all mentioned in a discernable order, but Revelation does give more details of events listed earlier and we need to fit them in correctly.

 

[ezekiel]

Verse 9 is spealing of the end after the Ange'sl reap earth. Verse 13 starts a whole new group that are left on earth after the trib. is over. And they shall be called holy and the blessed.The Earth will be preaty messed up but God will put a covering over them Isaiah 4 verse 5.