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Revelation 10 is about 9/11 & the Statue of Liberty: the end of this world is near

Discussion in 'Eschatology & Prophecy Forum' started by holyisthelord, Dec 30, 2008.

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    Genesis 11:1-9, Revelation 9-11,17-18; Zeph. 1:16; Amos, Hebrews, & John 9:11; etc. are about the 9/11 attacks on NYC which is the Bible's Babylon "the great city" (there are many cities which used to be "Babylon the Great," including Nineveh, Babylon, Athens, Rome, Constantinople, Jerusalem, & Moscow the former capital of the Soviet Union; these were all "types" of the final "Mystery Babylon")! 9-11 & the fall of Iraq (the location of ancient Babylon) are God's emergency warnings of "the day of the LORD" when those who rebel against God (all symbolized by Babylon the Great Harlot) will be destroyed and sent to the fire of Hell (those who died in 9/11 were not necessarily all rebels against God). "Shall evil befall a city & the LORD hath not done it?" (Amos 3:6):14 The great day of the LORD [a phrase often used in the Bible to describe the time of Jesus' Second Coming and Jesus' reign] is near...15 That day is a day of wrath, a day of trouble and distress...1:16 A day of the trumpet and alarm against the fenced cities, and against the high towers. 17 And I will bring distress upon men, that they shall walk like blind men, because they have sinned against the LORD: and their blood shall be poured out as dust, and their flesh as the dung. (Zephaniah 1:14-17)Revelation 10 To understand how 9/11 is God's foreshadowing of the final fulfillment of this chapter, you must first understand my thesis in the other thread I made on this site (http://www.christianityboard.com/obama-bat...9-11-t9843.html) about how throughout nature and history in & outside the Bible, there are "types [near perfect resemblances intended as foreshadowing] of the Antichrist" Satan, such as the Sun & King Solomon, which are imitations of Christ, as the Antichrist Satan says "I will be like the Most High." (Is. 14:14) The Statue of "Liberty Enlightening the World" & The Twin Towers are types of the Antichrist, for they are counterfeit imitations of Jesus "the light of the world" (John 8:12) & God the Father and God the Son (God is "a strong tower" [Ps. 61:3]), as Rev. 10 & 11 among tons of other evidence make extremely clear:Amazing Video about 9/11 & Revelation 10:1-11: please look at this video (or at the pics on my site, where I discuss all the references to 9/11 I've found in the Bible including very many not in this thread) in conjunction with the verses and my interpretation of them below http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCvbiEA2qRA1 - And I saw another mighty angel [symbolic of both Jesus "the angel of the LORD" of Genesis, Exodus, etc., and of devils who imitate Him] come down from heaven [as the Devil's angels fall from heaven in Rev. 12], clothed with a cloud [Greek: "nephelen," which resembles "Nephelim," the giant fallen angels-i.e. devils- of Genesis 6:4 & Numbers 13:33]: and a rainbow [Greek: "Iris," the Greek messenger/angel goddess, as Lady Liberty is based on the goddess "Isis"; the only other places this word appears in the Bible besides the covenant with Noah in Gen. 9 are in Ezekiel 1:28 & Revelation 4 as surrounding Jesus the Lord] [was] upon his head, and his face [was] as it were the sun, and his feet as pillars of fire.Lady Liberty at night: "pillars of fire" Statue of Liberty modelled after Colossus of Rhodes, a statue of Apoll[y]on the sun god [hence the sun rays around the face] i.e. the "Destroyer" of Rev. 9:112 - And he had in his hand a little book open [in the left hand, as is the case with Lady Liberty]: and he set his right foot upon the sea, and [his] left [foot] on the earth, 3 - And cried with a loud voice, as [when] a lion roareth [echoes Jesus the Lion of Rev. 5:5 & the Devil the lion of 1 Peter 5:8]: and when he had cried, seven thunders [the seven gigantic World Trade Center towers, which are imitations of God "the strong tower" [Ps. 61:3] ("thunders" in the Bible usually describes God's voice; the voices of the "seven angels" or "seven spirits of God" of Rev. 1:20 & 4:5 which are types of Christ are also described as being very loud like thunder)] uttered their voices. 4 - And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, I was about to write: and I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered, and write them not. 5 - And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth lifted up his ["right", according to most Greek manuscripts, as is the case with Lady Liberty] hand to heaven, 6 - And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer: 7 - But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets. 8 - And the voice which I heard from heaven spake unto me again, and said, Go [and] take the little book which is open in the
    hand of the angel which standeth upon the sea and upon the earth. [Lady Liberty's book symbolizes knowledge, as does the one eaten by John & the similar one eaten by Ezekiel at the end of Ezekiel 2]9 - And I went unto the angel, and said unto him, Give me the little book. And he said unto me, Take [it], and eat it up; and it shall make thy belly bitter, but it shall be in thy mouth sweet as honey. 10 - And I took the little book out of the angel's hand, and ate it up; and it was in my mouth sweet as honey: and as soon as I had eaten it, my belly was bitter. 11 - And he said unto me, Thou must prophesy again before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings.​
     
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    THE STATUE OF LIBERTY: TYPE OF THE ANTICHRIST: COUNTERFEIT OF JESUS "LIGHT OF THE WORLD"The interior of the pedestal contains a bronze plaque inscribed with the poem "The New Colossus" by Emma Lazarus. It has never been engraved on the exterior of the pedestal, despite such depictions in editorial cartoons.Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,With conquering limbs astride from land to land;Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall standA mighty woman with a torch, whose flameIs the imprisoned lightning, and her name Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes commandThe air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.[THIS IS A COUNTERFEIT JESUS SPEAKING!!!!!!!!!]"Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries sheWith silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"“I am the light of the world.* Whoever follows me will have the light of life…If my Word abides in you, you are truly my disciples; and you will know the truth and the truth shall set you FREE…Everyone who sins is a SLAVE to sin.” (John 8:12,31-32,34)And it came to pass at his reclining in the house, that behold, many tax gatherers and sinners having come were reclining with Jesus and his disciples.* And having seen it the Pharisees said to His disciples, ‘Why with the tax-gatherers and sinners does your teacher eat?’* But Jesus having heard He said to them, ‘They who are strong have no need of a physician, but they who are ill.* But go and learn what this means: Mercy I desire, and not sacrifice; for I came not to call righteous men, but sinners to repentance. (Matt. 9:10-13)Come to me, all you that labor and are burdened, and I will give you rest!* Take my yoke upon you, and learn from me, for I am meek and lowly in heart; and you shall find rest to your souls.* For my yoke is easy and my burden is light! (Matt. 11:28)Hundreds of other Statues of Liberty have been erected worldwide, because JESUS IS EVERYWHERE, EVEN RIGHT WHERE YOU ARE READING THIS.* AS WITH THE TWIN TOWERS, EVERYWHERE THEY ARE IS APPARENTLY A COUNTERFEIT OF THE NEW JERUSALEM!* For instance, there are at least two in Paris, including in the Jardin du Luxembourg.* THIS JARDIN is renowned for its calming effect, for so will the New Jerusalem be!*
     
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    Poppycock. The United States is part of Israel, God's chosen people. There are no shortage of archaeologists, not the least of which is E. Raymond Capt that traces the lost tribes of Israel through the Asia minor area over the centuries to ultimately become the people of NW Europe, Great Britain and the United States. These nations fulfilled a "nation and company of nations" that the Jew never fulfilled. c.f. Genesis 35:11, Genesis 48:19. Theses are the ones that became the light to the Gentiles and spread God's Word as prophesied since the Jew never did that. God made His promise to Abraham's descendants (i.e. to become a multitudinous people and to become a blessing to the world), and as such it's filthy doctrine to believe He'd entrust the gospel and give these promises to non-Israelite Gentiles.On the contrary, these nations, like Israel, will be enslaved in the time of the end, to undergo the "time of Jacob's trouble" and then restored to the land of Israel to rejoin the two sticks (Ezek 37).
     
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    On how the Sun, a counterfeit of Jesus "the Sun of righteousness" (Malachi 4:2), is a type of the Antichrist as well: http://www.christianityboard.com/sun-prove...dead-t9966.htmlThis thread shows the connection between Revelation 11 & 9/11: http://www.christianityboard.com/two-witne...91.html?p=66784
    truth will be wittnessed. great britian has been used for many things,by god and by the other. so has the usa,who now seperates it self from god ferther and ferther,the pope will help run britain and the usa.all to there added demise.any way we all agree on one thing [there is a great trouble soon at hand]
     
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    Poppycock. The United States is part of Israel, God's chosen people. There are no shortage of archaeologists, not the least of which is E. Raymond Capt that traces the lost tribes of Israel through the Asia minor area over the centuries to ultimately become the people of NW Europe, Great Britain and the United States. These nations fulfilled a "nation and company of nations" that the Jew never fulfilled. c.f. Genesis 35:11, Genesis 48:19. Theses are the ones that became the light to the Gentiles and spread God's Word as prophesied since the Jew never did that. God made His promise to Abraham's descendants (i.e. to become a multitudinous people and to become a blessing to the world), and as such it's filthy doctrine to believe He'd entrust the gospel and give these promises to non-Israelite Gentiles.On the contrary, these nations, like Israel, will be enslaved in the time of the end, to undergo the "time of Jacob's trouble" and then restored to the land of Israel to rejoin the two sticks (Ezek 37).
    Tim, what you say is extremely interesting. I was just thinking today while reading Ezekiel about how so many of God's directions to Israel (ex. to stop worshipping "idols": think "American Idol") apply to USA. Perhaps you don't realize that Jerusalem/Israel is a type of Babylon the Great Harlot, as was Nineveh/Assyria, Babylon/Chaldea, Athens, Rome/Roman Empire/Catholic Empire, Constantinople/Byzantine Empire/Orthodox Empire, and as NYC/USA is a type of or the final Babylon (is the European Union with its Tower of Babylon & its ubiquitous woman riding the beast image the next & final Babylon the Great Harlot?). The Bible shows that there are many Babylons in many ways, for instance by having the language describing Mystery Babylon in Rev. 17-18 applied to Jerusalem/Israel (ex. in Lamentations 1:1 & Deut. 4:6-8 vs. Isaiah 47:5 & Jeremiah 51:41) & Nineveh "the great city" (ex. Jonah 1:2 & Zephaniah 2:15 vs. Revelation 17:18 & Revelation 18:7-8 & Isaiah 47:8).I have carefully researched & written about this subject of types of Christ & the Antichrist daily for months, so please don't be so quick to dismiss what I say as "poppycock," friend. I assure you that the vast majority of what I have written about this subject is correct.
     
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    Not exactly correct the Jersalem will not be a type of Babylon until the Antichrist sets up shop there that is where he will be headquarted ... with his one World religion system and one world government And Tim is exactly right its written time and again
     
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    I said Jerusalem WAS a type of Babylon, for instance in its fall in 70 AD echoing the fall of Babylon described in Rev. 17. Look at the Bible passages in my last post, which are just a FEW linking Jerusalem with Babylon the Great HARLOT (also notice how often Jerusalem/Israel is called a HARLOT in the Bible).
     
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    Sorry I do not agree it that says Jerusalem is the harlot Revelation 17:1 "And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials [bowls], and talked with me [John], saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore [harlot] that sitteth upon many waters:The seven seals, vials, plagues, trumpets, and thunders are all the same acts. Only a different vision of John's, giving a different profile of the same occurrence, or event. This angel is one of the seven angels that "he" [John] has seen before, and the discussion John and this angel are having is about this "one world religion" that sits, or rules over the peoples of the earth. The "great whore" is a religion, while the "waters" represents the people that follow after the whore, or religion. This "whore" is identified as "Mystery, Babylon", as we look ahead to the 15th verse. We will also establish in our minds exactly what the "waters", or "seas", or "rivers" truly represents. These bodies of water are peoples, and nations, tongues and languages right here on earth. This harlot is not the Catholic church, or any other church now in operation, it will be the Antichrist's religious system. Revelation 17:2 "With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication."This is the answer given to John, by the angel. The "people" of the earth have become intoxicated on her [this one world religious system's]Revelation 17:5 "And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH." She, is one world religious system is the queen of all of Satan's abominations. Though it will look like God is blessing this harlot, and that this religious system is a pillar of the truth, but the system you see is a lie, and from the pit. Satan's religious order will enter prosperous and successful, yet, it well be very short livedRevelation 17:8 "The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is [shall come]."This "beast" was in the Garden of Eden deceiving [beguiling] Eve; he is not here now, for he is in heaven accusing the saints before the throne of God, now. He [Satan] will ascend out of the bottomless pit, as we saw in Revelation 9:1, and 2, and "he will go to perdition", following the judgment at the end of the Millennium kingdom age. The "he" spoken of here, is Satan, and don't let any one tell you any different. Satan is the "son of perdition" as recorded in II Thessalonians 2:1-4, and he will be the first Christ to come at the end of this earth age. "Perdition" means to "perish", and only Satan has had that sentence passed on him at this time.Revelation 17:9 "And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth."If you understand God's prophecy, then you have "wisdom". The "Mountains" are seven nations, or dominions. They are areas of land, and all seven dominions comprise the entire earth. They will make up Satan's earthly kingdom. A "kingdom" is "a king and his domain". The "woman", or this false religion will sit and rule over all seven of these dominions. "She" is the religion of Satan and the eighth verse told us it is Satan [the beast] that will sit over the womanRevelation 17:11 "And the beast that was, and is not even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition."Remember in verse eight, "he" was the one out of the pit. Satan's "eighth" role is when he goes into perdition. Why, "of the seven"? Because he was over the seven, one entity in all seven positions; and now this eighth is his last. No one except Satan has been judged and sentenced already to perdition, as recorded in Ezekiel 28:18. This beast is the son of perdition, and "perdition" means "to destroy" or destroyer. Revelation 17:12 "And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power [authority] as kings one hour with the beast."These "ten horns" are ten kings, and all these kings exists at the same time. They are not like the seven kings of the roles of Satan. They do not rule until a specific time, and then they rule for one hour. The beast [Antichrist] must appear first, then their power will be given to them by the Antichrist. This is after the deadly wound has been healed, the ending of the one world political system. This is the "hour of temptation" Jesus speaks of and warned us of seven times. The warnings are given so that we will not follow, or be deceived by this beast in that final hour [of this age]. The elect and the sealed of God will not be tempted in that hour, for they know who the tempter is [Satan].Revelation 17:15 "And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues."He continues explaining the symbols. The "waters" are "the people, and nations of all languages of the earth" that the Antichrist will sit upon. Mystery Babylon will control the entire earth, and that means you, unless you have been sealed in your mind, prior to when the Antichrist arrives.Revelation 17:18 "And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth."If you believe this is a real city it is Jerusalem but it's not the city that rule over the kings of the earth its Antichrist (Satan its leader of the one World political and religious system rules from there I think its more likely this is a symbolic city. It is made up of one thing, Confusion(Babel). The people agree to accept the idolatry, and the entire world order, both political and religious of Antichrist (Satan).
     
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    Let me just clear some confusion (Babylon) here. In Revelation, Babylon is totally destroyed and all therein.America will not be destroyed. Rather, God will whip the tar out of them (some will go to captivity, some will be killed, etc) but the remaining people will be brought back to the land of Israel. That's different than destroying all the people.To say that America will be destroyed is the same as saying Israel will be destroyed.One other thing. I tend to believe that Babylon will literally be rebuild. Some say its a different city because of the prophecy of the total destruction earlier, some relocate it, but I believe it should be literal and not spiritualized just as Israel is literal even if relocated.
     
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    Christina, I think you're failing to understand that by TYPE I mean a NEAR-perfect resemblance meant by God to foreshadow the future final fulfillment. The Bible makes very clear that there are many types of Babylon, for instance by having the language describing Mystery Babylon in Rev. 17-18 applied to Jerusalem/Israel (ex. in Lamentations 1:1 & Deut. 4:6-8 vs. Isaiah 47:5 & Jeremiah 51:41) & Nineveh "the great city" (ex. Jonah 1:2 & Zephaniah 2:15 vs. Revelation 17:18 & Revelation 18:7-8 & Isaiah 47:8).Similarly, there are types of Christ & the Antichrist, such as the Statue of Liberty Enlightening the World as I mentioned above:The whole of the Bible & His-story is the story of Jesus Christ and the Antichrist, even the parts of the Bible written hundreds of years before Jesus' virgin birth. Thus, "every Scripture is inspired of God," for all of it reveals God's foreknowledge and directing of history, as is manifest by the fact that there are so many things & people which each resemble (1) the Antichrist "Beast" (the incarnation of Satan the "Beast" of Rev. 12) who will imitate Christ in many uncommon ways, and (2) the three persons of God including Christ, in so many uncommon ways that some atheists falsely concluded that Jesus' life was a fiction based on the life of Julius Caesar, or Buddha, or some other pagan god like Dionysus, especially due to the book The DaVinci Code, so do not be deceived into thinking that these resemblances are merely coincidental. I call these people "types of Christ" & "types of the Antichrist" ("TYPE": a thing or person that represents perfectly or in the best way a class or category; model; a genus or species that most nearly exemplifies the essential characteristics of a higher group)," and I have been researching and writing about them for months. The Antichrist will resemble Christ in many uncommon ways: for instance, the Antichrist will be the king of all kings [except God] (Rev. 17:13) (as many of the types of the Antichrist such as Buddha, Nietzsche, & Elvis "the King" are kings over people's behavior), will appear to return from the dead (Rev. 13:3), WILL BE WORSHIPPED WORLDWIDE (Rev. 13:4), and will "minister" for 3 1/2 years (Rev. 13:5, compare Luke 4:25 where Jesus compares his ministry to Elijah's) All these types resemble the Antichrist & God in many uncommon ways. Even the meanings of their names echo Satan & Christ in uncommon ways, for God "who works ALL things according to the counsel of His will" (Eph. 1:11) secretely is responsible for apparently every name that has ever been assigned to a person, as I know from having well-considered the meanings of the names of well over a hundred people.A. in Bible: -types of Christ: Noah the one means of being saved, Isaac, Joseph the savior of the world, Moses, Aaron, the Passover Lamb the means of salvation, the elements of the Exodus Tabernacle, the serpent raised on a standard in Numbers 21, Joshua (has the same name in Jesus in Hebrew) who is the means by which God's people enter the Promised Land… -types of Antichrist: Nimrod ("rebellion") the King of Babylon (his "whore [& "queen"] of Babylon": Semiramis), King Saul ("death") the 1st King of Israel, Goliath, Cain ("spear"), King Balak ("he who lays waste, destroys"), King Absalom ("Father of Peace") the son of David, King Sennacherib ["bramble of destruction"] (2 Kings 1, King Nebuchadnezzar [in the Babylonian orthography Nabu-kudur-uzur, which means "Nebo (a Babylonian god i.e. a demon), protect the crown!"; or "tears & groans of judgement"] (Daniel 1-4), Haman ["noise, tumult"] (Esther), King Anti-ochus ("Against the Strong One") Theos Epiphanes ("God Manifest") (Daniel 11:21-35) King Solomon ("peace"- as Jesus is the "Prince of Peace") the son of David who turned away from God in the end of his reign & the wisest person ever other than Jesus & who has 666 shekels of gold coming to him every year.B. outside Bible: types of the Antichrist:-the omniscient undying prayer-answering Santa Claus a.k.a. Satan Claws a.k.a. Kriss Kringle from "Christkindl" "the little Christ child" a.k.a. St. Nick related to "Old Nick" a name for Satan (I'm not crazy; Satan "transforms himself into an angel of light" & "deceiveth the whole world"; Santa resembles him & God in many uncommon ways, as many people have noticed on the Internet)-the popes-gods (ex. "virgin-born" Buddha, Crishna the chief Hindu god, Confucius, Hercules "born on Dec. 25", the paganized Virgin Mary "Queen of Heaven" who is prayed to & worshipped by many even if they don't call her a god, many SUN GODS whose birthday was celebrated on Dec. 25th such as the Greek gods Attis & Dionysus, the Persian Mithra, the Egyptian Horus, etc.)-political leaders (ex. "virgin-born" Alexander the Great, Julius Caesar, Genghis Khan ["Lord of the Universe," "Khan" related to "Cain"], Napoleon, Adolf ("wolf") Hitler, Josef Stalin ("Man of Steel," like Superman & Shaquille O'Neal), Mao Zedong)-and many moreMore Biblical proof that there are types of the Antichrist is given in Revelation 13 where the "first beast" is described as having "seven heads" (13:1) which represent "seven kings" (17:10), of which, at the time of the writer of Revelation, "five are fallen, one is, and the other has not yet come" (17:11). Daniel 2:31-44 about the statue with four parts which represent four kingdoms together with Daniel 7, the passage on the "four beasts" (7:1-8) teach that these fallen "kings" include Nebuchadnezzar the first beast, Cyrus the Great the second beast, Alexander the Great the third beast, and the Caesars which are partial representations of the fourth beast. The research which I have done almost daily since August shows that these and many other people in world history resemble Christ & the Antichrist/Satan in many very uncommon ways, and this is very useful information for bringing people to consider the truth of Christianity.
     
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    Let me just clear some confusion (Babylon) here. In Revelation, Babylon is totally destroyed and all therein.America will not be destroyed. Rather, God will whip the tar out of them (some will go to captivity, some will be killed, etc) but the remaining people will be brought back to the land of Israel. That's different than destroying all the people.To say that America will be destroyed is the same as saying Israel will be destroyed.One other thing. I tend to believe that Babylon will literally be rebuild. Some say its a different city because of the prophecy of the total destruction earlier, some relocate it, but I believe it should be literal and not spiritualized just as Israel is literal even if relocated.
    Tim's interpretation might very well be correct if you assume that USA is only a TYPE of Mystery Babylon as Israel was, for Israel underwent such an exile and slaughter. However, how exactly would that captivity be carried out? I find it difficult to imagine. In any case, there is no doubt that NYC/USA is at the very least a type. And should we rule out that NYC will be completely destroyed before the Tribulation (according to Rev. 14 & Rev. 17) and will be followed by the destruction of one or two Babylons which are either cities, nations, or empires? And recall that Paul talks about a "spiritual Israel" (Galatians 3, I think). End of Romans 2: "the real Jew has a circumcized heart." All Christians are "Jews," therefore. "Israel" means "has prevailed with God" (to get the blessing of eternal life, as Jacob/Israel prevailed in his wrestling match with Jesus the angel of the LORD in Genesis 32).
     
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    I have a great understanding of types but like many things it can be over done ..a type in scripture must serve a specific purpose to point to a certain thing or event that is relevant other wise you lose the significance of the type ...this is what I think you have done ... You are over thinking ..typing everythingIve seen the same with symbology God interpts his own symbols when you strat seeing eveything as a symbol for something you miss the forest through the trees ... God is not the author of confusion there is a simplicity to the Word .. You seem to be muttling things by seeing types and symbols in everything Jerusalem is not mystery Babylon any more than Washington DC is corupt its a metaphor/ figure of speech for what is happing in the city ... In Washington DC its the actions of the people in our government that resides in DC that are corupt not the city ... Same with Jerusalem its the actions of Antichrist and his one world religion that is mystery Babylon .. Not the city .. And sense Antichrist is not here yet and hasnt set up shop in Jerusalem yet Mystery Babylon does not exist yet...
     
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    For the fun of it:Chris'
    "One world religion" isn't mentioned nor implied, the bible states that the "great whore" is the great city that rules over the world during that time, which was Rome! This "city" sits on 7 of 10 hills/mountains. Chris'
    So what makes up a false religious system if not a false religious church with false religious doctrines?Chris'
    The context is during the lifetime of John not 2,000 yrs after! And it's not a religious system but an empire, a kingdom.Chris'
    Christina 5:22Chris'
    Christina 6:12-13 Chris'
    Eventhough the bible states that the "beast and the false prophet" were both cast alive into the lake of fire? Wow! Chris, you really do amaze me.Chris'
    And you call yourself a christian?
    You must have a familiar spirit, chris.
    Can you prove these kings existed all at the same time?
    Christina 9:4-8Chris'
    The book of Christina 23:45Chris'
    Yet you keep saying a religious system and not a "city", Wow!Chris'
    Why teach if you're not sure, chris? The bible is of no private interpretation, it clearly states that the city is located on 7 of 10 hills/mts which is Rome. The truth will be revealled regardless of hypocrites trying to mislead and misinterpret scriptures. The Saints will not be wearied! Food for Thought.
     
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    For the truth of it.
    "One world religion" isn't mentioned nor implied, the bible states that the "great whore" is the great city that rules over the world during that time, which was Rome! This "city" sits on 7 of 10 hills/mountains.
    Revelation 13:4
    And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
    Revelation 13:8
    And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
    Revelation 13:12
    And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.

    Eventhough the bible states that the "beast and the false prophet" were both cast alive into the lake of fire? Wow! Chris, you really do amaze me.
    Can you not read what's written right in front of you!?Revelation 17:11
    And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.
    Of the eight and of the seven obviously denotes overlap. The role of the false prophet and the role of the beast will be done away with.
    Can you prove these kings existed all at the same time?
    Why don't you just slow down and note the verb tense.
    Why teach if you're not sure, chris? The bible is of no private interpretation, it clearly states that the city is located on 7 of 10 hills/mts which is Rome. The truth will be revealled regardless of hypocrites trying to mislead and misinterpret scriptures. The Saints will not be wearied! Food for Thought.
    Post the verse you hypocrite!Revelation 17:9-10
    And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth. And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
    Otherwise, why don't you show me the seven hills and the king of each hill...I know one was called King of the Hill on the Fox TV channel, was that one of them? [​IMG]
     
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    For the truth of it.Quote:"One world religion" isn't mentioned nor implied, the bible states that the "great whore" is the great city that rules over the world during that time, which was Rome! This "city" sits on 7 of 10 hills/mountains. Revelation 13:4Quote:And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him? Revelation 13:8Quote:And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. Revelation 13:12Quote:And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
    Quote: Still no mention of a one world religion.
    Eventhough the bible states that the "beast and the false prophet" were both cast alive into the lake of fire? Wow! Chris, you really do amaze me. Can you not read what's written right in front of you!?Revelation 17:11Quote:And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition. Of the eight and of the seven obviously denotes overlap. The role of the false prophet and the role of the beast will be done away with.
    The eighth is grouped/categorized with the seven, not overlapping. The text names ten to eleven kings, the eleventh being the little horn that plucks up three which becomes the second beast of Revelation.
    Quote:Can you prove these kings existed all at the same time? Why don't you just slow down and note the verb tense.
    What verb tense? I can't even a straight answer!
    Quote:Why teach if you're not sure, chris? The bible is of no private interpretation, it clearly states that the city is located on 7 of 10 hills/mts which is Rome. The truth will be revealled regardless of hypocrites trying to mislead and misinterpret scriptures. The Saints will not be wearied! Food for Thought. Post the verse you hypocrite!
    Did you, an administrator, call me a hypocrite? Maybe if you weren't so scared of the truth you would explain what verses you're interested in.
    Revelation 17:9-10Quote:And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth. And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space. Otherwise, why don't you show me the seven hills and the king of each hill...I know one was called King of the Hill on the Fox TV channel, was that one of them?
    AntiChristians, and you call yourself an administrator!!!! P.S. Keep distorting the truth while pretending to be saved like the rest of the world. Your reward will be great, trust me!!!
     
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    Quote: Still no mention of a one world religion.
    So you don't worship with your religion, or what? I'm afraid I can't help you much if you're not willing to read what is written.
    The eighth is grouped/categorized with the seven, not overlapping. The text names ten to eleven kings, the eleventh being the little horn that plucks up three which becomes the second beast of Revelation.
    I know the English is a bit archaic, but the meaning of "of" is still relatively well preserved:Revelation 17:11
    And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition
    Greek ek, Strong's #G1537.
    Did you, an administrator, call me a hypocrite? Maybe if you weren't so scared of the truth you would explain what verses you're interested in.
    I call you that as someone interested in seeing a little truth here. You seem to have a very bad habit of chastising folks because you don't agree with them yet you make certain statements as if they were the very gospel. I'm just looking for a little bit of Scripture to back up what you are saying and I am admittedly having a difficult time finding it.The rest doesn't need a response.
     
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    So you don't worship with your religion, or what? I'm afraid I can't help you much if you're not willing to read what is written.
    If God is not the author of confusion, then who is? You called me a hypocrite but yet you're dodging the truth.
    My Quote:The eighth is grouped/categorized with the seven, not overlapping. The text names ten to eleven kings, the eleventh being the little horn that plucks up three which becomes the second beast of Revelation. Den'sI know the English is a bit archaic, but the meaning of "of" is still relatively well preserved:Revelation 17:11Quote:And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition Greek ek, Strong's #G1537.
    I don't understand, why are you being so vague?
    My Quote:Did you, an administrator, call me a hypocrite? Maybe if you weren't so scared of the truth you would explain what verses you're interested in. Den'sI call you that as someone interested in seeing a little truth here. You seem to have a very bad habit of chastising folks because you don't agree with them yet you make certain statements as if they were the very gospel. I'm just looking for a little bit of Scripture to back up what you are saying and I am admittedly having a difficult time finding it.
    Finding what, Nemo? Wow!! Den's
    The rest doesn't need a response.
    I already figured that out. Keep searching and one day you will find the truth.
     
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