Ridding Eternal Life

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Human life is susceptible to death; viz: human life is a kind of life that's very
easy to exterminate.

Eternal life is quite a bit different than human life. It's impervious to death;
hence eternal life is impossible to exterminate. If that were not true, it would
be possible to assassinate God.

There's quite a number of verses in the New Testament promising eternal
life to Jesus' believing followers; and some of those verses are in the
grammatical present tense; for example:

John 3:36 . . He who believes in the Son has eternal life

● John 6:54 . . Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life

Here's three more-- again, note the grammatical tense; it's present,
indicating that Jesus' believing followers have eternal life right now-- no
delay and no waiting period.

John 5:24 . . I assure you, those who heed my message and trust in God
who sent me, have eternal life. They will never be condemned for their sins,
but they have already passed from death into life.

● John 6:47 . .Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes has eternal life.

● 1John 5:13 . . I write these things to you who believe in the name of the
Son of God so that you may know that you have eternal life.

I suggest ceasing to quarrel about "losing your salvation" and instead
concentrate on obtaining your eternal life because eternal life can't be lost
seeing as how it's impervious to death.

John 10:27-28 . . My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they
follow me. I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish

Webster's defines "never" as: not ever, at no time, not in any degree, not
under any condition.

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Q: If Jesus' believing followers have eternal life, then why do they still die
just like everybody else?

A: Eternal life is often mistaken for immortality. The two are not the same.

Immortality is a physical kind of life that has to do with a superhuman body
impervious to age, death, and putrefaction.

Eternal life, on the other hand, isn't a physical kind of life; it's a spirit kind of
life; which is why it's possible for people to obtain eternal life before they
obtain immortality.

For example: according to John 5:26-27 and 1John 1:1-2 Christ had eternal
life when he was here. However, according to Rom 6:9 he didn't obtain
immortality until his resurrection.

The same holds true for Christ's believing followers. According to Rom 8:23-
25 and 1Cor 15:35-54, they too won't obtain immortality until their
resurrections.

So then, eternal life has zero to do with the longevity of a human body.
That's something else altogether.

Q: Are you sure that immortality only applies to a physical body? What
about 1Tim 6:13-16?

"I command you before God, who gives life to all, and before Christ Jesus,
who gave a good testimony before Pontius Pilate, that you obey his
commands with all purity. Then no one can find fault with you from now until
our Lord Jesus Christ returns.

. . . For at the right time Christ will be revealed from heaven by the blessed
and only almighty God, the King of kings and Lord of lords. He alone can
never die, and he lives in light so brilliant that no human can approach him.
No one has ever seen him, nor ever will. To him be honor and power
forever. Amen." (NLT)

A: According to Dan 7:13-14, Php 2:9-11, Rev 17:14, and Rev 19:11-16,
the King of kings and Lord of lords is Christ.

1Tim 6:13-16 is actually a very useful proof text to support the belief that
Christ isn't merely human, but is actually God in disguise. That's difficult to
make out in the NLT; other versions do it better; e.g. KJV, NKJV, NAS,
NASU, the Catholic, and the Watchtower Society.

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Eternal life is immune to the consequences of sin.

John 5:24 . . I assure you, those who heed my message and trust in God
who sent me, have eternal life. They will never be condemned for their sins,
but they have already passed from death into life.

Rom 6:23 . .The wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in
Christ Jesus our Lord.

Rom 8:1-2 . .Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are
in Christ Jesus, because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit of life set
me free from the law of sin and death.

Eternal life is really good news for dishonesty.

Rev 21:8 . . All liars-- their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur.
This is the second death.

I'd be willing to bet a tank of regular gas that there isn't one person on this
forum who doesn't lie now and then. In point of fact, I read an article
somewhere that dishonesty is not only a very common activity, but even
necessary just to get by in the world we live in.

There is an amazing number of ways that humanity practices dishonesty.
Wikipedia
lists no less than 31.

Ps 58:3 . . Even from birth the wicked go astray; from the womb they are
wayward and speak lies.

What an interesting observation. It's as much as saying that if infants could
speak, they'd not be totally honest; viz: children have to be taught manners,
but they don't have to be taught dishonesty; that comes natural to them.

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There's a scene at Rev 20:11-15 depicting the resurrection of the dead from
a variety of locations. The dead are mentioned four times, while the living
aren't mentioned even once and that's because Christ gave his word at John
5:24 that the living never have to worry about being put on trial for things
they've done that are hell-worthy.

In other words; none of the dead will go to heaven from the great white
throne event: instead they will all every one lose their resurrected bodies by
a manner of death akin to a foundry worker falling into a kettle of molten
iron.

Q: Why are apparently sentient, conscious people called dead?

A: Christ said at John 5:24 that people with eternal life have crossed over
from death into life; which of course means that prior to obtaining eternal
life, they were dead on the hoof; viz: the dead in Rev 20:11-15 won't have
eternal life; instead, they'll all have natural-born human life; which is a kind
of life not allowed in the eternal city. (Rev 21:27)

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