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RS-28 "Sarmat" ICBM - Why Russia Needs Such Doomsday Weapons

What is not clear to me, is mention of it being a kinetic energy bombardment missile, meaning non nuclear, with multiple warheads, and it flies super fast. So maybe it can do either kinetic or nuclear.

Putin Launches Doomsday ‘Satan 2’ Shocking Western Military Analysts – Veterans Today | Military Foreign Affairs Policy Journal for Clandestine Services

The specifications of the Sarmat missile are not entirely clear, but it is expected to carry between 10 and 15 warheads capable of destroying strategic objects, even without the use of nuclear explosives.

Explained: What is Russia’s new nuclear missile Sarmat, capable of striking ‘anywhere in the world’?

Russia tests new Sarmat intercontinental ballistic missile in what Putin hails as ‘truly unique weapon’

Anyhow this is an ultra heavy very fast ICBM which Russia says will penetrate any missile defenses. It is multiple missiles inside a giant missile. And its construction is entirely Russian sourced.
 

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I remember reading about the 'rods from god' missiles to be fired from space, they are kinetic energy weapons equal to nuclear bombs. Sarmat may be similar kinetic weapon, just not dropped from orbit.
The US Air Force's 'rods from god' could hit with the force of a nuclear weapon — with no fallout.

The US never developed space platform weapons systems to target the earth.
The idea being nuclear bombs could destroy nations several times over so why bother.

But not being nuclear means no radioactive pollution, meaning the willingness to use the kinetic energy weapons would be more conceivable.
 
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I call bullcrap. A kinetic weapon can't release more energy than is in the rocket that lifts it. So at most it would be a fraction of the destructive power of an exploding rocket.

Rods from God are very inefficient, as you would need the biggest rocket ever just to orbit one rod. Due to its destructive power being associated with its mass.

Ask the physicist.
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I call bullcrap. A kinetic weapon can't release more energy than is in the rocket that lifts it. So at most it would be a fraction of the destructive power of an exploding rocket.

Rods from God are very inefficient, as you would need the biggest rocket ever just to orbit one rod. Due to its destructive power being associated with its mass.

Ask the physicist.
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The 'rods from god', were to be made from tungsten. It was their fantastic speed that would cause the damage.
Yes, seems an idea that was dropped as unworkable by the US years ago.
Rods from God

But if an asteroid or meteor or the moon could be mined for metals like that, maybe is feasible as they are already in space and the gravity issue is like nil compared to being on earth. I know lots of talk about mining celestial bodies for metals. Right now, seeing we have nuclear bombs, this idea is way out there.

Does mention this though, if they are doing this, your unlikely to hear about it from the US, so there is a chance Russia came up with something that works.
How about rockets on rods to give them a speed boost coming down.

A better solution, Pike argues, is to pursue the original concept: Place the rods atop intercontinental ballistic missiles, which would slow down enough during the downward part of their trajectory to avoid vaporizing on impact. ICBMs would also be less expensive and, since they’re stationed on Earth, would take less time to reach their targets. “The space-basing people seem to understand the downside of space weapons,” Pike says–among them, high costs and the difficulty of maintaining weapon platforms in orbit. “But I’ll still bet you there’s a lot of classified work on this going on right now.”
 
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I call bullcrap. A kinetic weapon can't release more energy than is in the rocket that lifts it. So at most it would be a fraction of the destructive power of an exploding rocket.

Rods from God are very inefficient, as you would need the biggest rocket ever just to orbit one rod. Due to its destructive power being associated with its mass.

Ask the physicist.
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The kinetic energy is 1/2mv^2 so at hypersonic speeds it will carry considerable kinetic energy. But nothing like say a comet or asteroid would. I think perhaps it could lay waste to a skyscraper or similar target. But I would think Russia is more interested in their nuclear deterrents. Sadly enough. I also believe anyone starting a 3rd nuclear war is automatically damned by God and would probably end up a son of perdition.
 

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RS-28 "Sarmat" ICBM - Why Russia Needs Such Doomsday Weapons

What is not clear to me, is mention of it being a kinetic energy bombardment missile, meaning non nuclear, with multiple warheads, and it flies super fast. So maybe it can do either kinetic or nuclear.

Putin Launches Doomsday ‘Satan 2’ Shocking Western Military Analysts – Veterans Today | Military Foreign Affairs Policy Journal for Clandestine Services

The specifications of the Sarmat missile are not entirely clear, but it is expected to carry between 10 and 15 warheads capable of destroying strategic objects, even without the use of nuclear explosives.

Explained: What is Russia’s new nuclear missile Sarmat, capable of striking ‘anywhere in the world’?

Russia tests new Sarmat intercontinental ballistic missile in what Putin hails as ‘truly unique weapon’

Anyhow this is an ultra heavy very fast ICBM which Russia says will penetrate any missile defenses. It is multiple missiles inside a giant missile. And its construction is entirely Russian sourced.


If it is a kinetic weapon, it cannot destroy an area the size of france. Kinetic energy weapons are very limited in their destructive power

Even if it has 15 thermo- nuclear warheads the power of "Tsar Bomba", it might destroy a France size area, through nuclear radiation.

but as it is still shrouded in semi-mystery and Russian propoganda, we don't know what is real and what is not!
 

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I call bullcrap. A kinetic weapon can't release more energy than is in the rocket that lifts it. So at most it would be a fraction of the destructive power of an exploding rocket.

Rods from God are very inefficient, as you would need the biggest rocket ever just to orbit one rod. Due to its destructive power being associated with its mass.

Ask the physicist.
@devin553344
OK so I ran some numbers from Lockheed Martins, hyper-sonic missile. It will impact with about a ton of TNT of energy. Not much as far as bombs go. But still considerable.
 
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The 'rods from god', were to be made from tungsten. It was their fantastic speed that would cause the damage.
Yes, seems an idea that was dropped as unworkable by the US years ago.
Rods from God

But if an asteroid or meteor or the moon could be mined for metals like that, maybe is feasible as they are already in space and the gravity issue is like nil compared to being on earth. I know lots of talk about mining celestial bodies for metals. Right now, seeing we have nuclear bombs, this idea is way out there.


Because they are rods and not spheres or rocks, their destructive power is very limited. Tungsten is just a different steel alloy, it has no explosive quality.

A kinteic rod travelling say 35,000 kmh would destroy not much more than the size of the rod but go deep into the earth because it is spear shaped versus a meteor!
 

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Because they are rods and not spheres or rocks, their destructive power is very limited. Tungsten is just a different steel alloy, it has no explosive quality.

A kinteic rod travelling say 35,000 kmh would destroy not much more than the size of the rod but go deep into the earth because it is spear shaped versus a meteor!
The energy dissipated upon impact with the ground is explosive.
 

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The energy dissipated upon impact with the ground is explosive.

But as it is a spear like projectile and not a sphere of other shape, the explosive impact is minimal. Kinetic weapons kill by contact more than by an explosive destruction.

You can see for yourself in a simple experiment.

Take a warhead like object and a stick. Throw both with as equal force as you can into water. The impact of teh warhead object will be far greater than the stick. Same when a kinetic weapon hits th eground. without any explosives, it will simply slice into teh ground with minimal collateral damage--even at teh speeds of re-entry!
 

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Russia successfully test fires Sarmat doomsday missile, one missile can destroy area size of Francef
hmmmmmm, some must like deserts on their doorstep!
 

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Here's What You Need to Know about Russia's Doomsday Weapon: The RS-28 Sarmat Nuclear Missile
Cool story on this huge and heavy missile. Rather than Putin being a cold war villain intent on a first strike attack, this is the idea that the US should not attempt a first strike nuclear missile attack on Russia, as the Sarmat will get through the US missiles defenses. You may not know, but to some military US people, MAD is no longer the concern, they think the USA can take out Russia and all its nuclear missiles in a first strike and they can successfully defend against all missile attacks coming at the US.
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Russia is deploying its new RS-28 Sarmat ICBM, a hundred-ton, twelve-warhead behemoth which makes America’s thirty-nine-ton Minuteman ICBM look like a rocket-propelled toothpick.

Russia's New ICBM Sarmat Can Penetrate Defense Shield, Wipe Out Texas

Russia's latest intercontinental ballistic missile, Sarmat, may render all current missile defense systems obsolescent, the Russian news network Zvezda reported.



The RS-28 Sarmat is the state-of-the-art heavy liquid-propelled intercontinental ballistic missile which is currently being developed for the Russian army.

It is designed to replace the old Soviet R-36M missiles Voevoda, codenamed 'Satan' by NATO, as the heavy silo-based component of Russia's nuclear deterrence. The RS-28 has been in development since 2009 and is scheduled to start replacing the old ICBMs in 2018.

"In this sense, the Sarmat missile will not only become the R-36M's successor, but also to some extent it will determine in which direction nuclear deterrence in the world will develop," Zvezda said.

The broadcaster added that the RS-28 is capable of wiping out parts of the earth the size of Texas or France, and that its higher speed performance will enable it to speed past every missile defense system in existence.

Although there is very little information on the technical characteristics of the new missile, some sources said that the Sarmat is a two-stage missile with an estimated operational range of 10,000km and a mass of at least 100 tons, including a payload weighing from 4 tons up to 10 tons.
 
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The US missile defense, but even after seeing how sophisticated we are in missile defense, no way can they stop thousands of incoming nuclear missiles from Russia. So the idea that MAD is obsolete and the US can take out the Russians in a first strike, I don't believe it at all. But I think some want to try. Europe though will also feel it as bad as Russia does with radioactive fallout.

 

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RS-28 "Sarmat" ICBM - Why Russia Needs Such Doomsday Weapons

What is not clear to me, is mention of it being a kinetic energy bombardment missile, meaning non nuclear, with multiple warheads, and it flies super fast. So maybe it can do either kinetic or nuclear.

Putin Launches Doomsday ‘Satan 2’ Shocking Western Military Analysts – Veterans Today | Military Foreign Affairs Policy Journal for Clandestine Services

The specifications of the Sarmat missile are not entirely clear, but it is expected to carry between 10 and 15 warheads capable of destroying strategic objects, even without the use of nuclear explosives.

Explained: What is Russia’s new nuclear missile Sarmat, capable of striking ‘anywhere in the world’?

Russia tests new Sarmat intercontinental ballistic missile in what Putin hails as ‘truly unique weapon’

Anyhow this is an ultra heavy very fast ICBM which Russia says will penetrate any missile defenses. It is multiple missiles inside a giant missile. And its construction is entirely Russian sourced.
Scott, this new Russian ICBM system is not a plain jane kinetic system at all. That would be not as significant if it was...

This is an upgraded multiple MIRV ICBM system with hypersonic speeds for it mains stage and MIRVs that will 'glide' or become programmable and maneuverable whilst travelling at especially at Mach 2 + ,and that do not need not reach the altitudes of the 'older' ICBM MIRVS (multiple independent re-entry vehicle (warheads)) as our Minuteman III for example.

I imagine theoretically, each system payload (installed with 6 + MIRVs - classified) could make an Australian desert the size of say the lower half of the North Island of NZ, look like a large public picnic sand box area for kids.

It is not an exaggeration from what I read....it's the real deal
 
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One way the Russian nuclear response differs from ours is they are a 'dead hand' Artificial Intelligence launch and control system.
The computer detects a nuclear explosion in Russian territory, it is GO FOR LAUNCH immediately unless a human being tells it not to launch a counter attack. So if all Russian personal who could have stopped the computer control have perished in a first strike, the computer AI will launch everything it has left dispassionately. Some US military think they can take out much of the Russian ICBM's etc... in a first strike and deal with the stragglers with their anti missile technology.

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How the US stacks up against Russia's nuclear arsenal


Biden refuses to rule out first-strike use of nuclear weapons under extreme circumstances | Daily Mail Online
Biden says we would do a first strike nuclear attack under certain circumstances
And a trillion more dollars for new nuclear military tech modernization is in the offing.

https://www.billtrack50.com/blog/in...rikes, not retaliatory use of nuclear weapons.
 

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The nuclear platform weaponization of space using space planes and some can go Mach 20 to Mach 27
The main idea is speed of military response of minutes instead of days and stopping launched nukes from being intercepted and destroyed.
And also talks of the rods from god. Very interesting video.
 

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Here's What You Need to Know about Russia's Doomsday Weapon: The RS-28 Sarmat Nuclear Missile
Cool story on this huge and heavy missile. Rather than Putin being a cold war villain intent on a first strike attack, this is the idea that the US should not attempt a first strike nuclear missile attack on Russia, as the Sarmat will get through the US missiles defenses. You may not know, but to some military US people, MAD is no longer the concern, they think the USA can take out Russia and all its nuclear missiles in a first strike and they can successfully defend against all missile attacks coming at the US.


So they have finally caught up with th emindset of Russian nuclear doctrine.

On Monday, Russia’s foreign minister, Sergei Lavrov, in an interview aired on Russian state television, warned that the risk of a third world war was real and said the risk that nuclear weapons would be deployed shouldn’t be underestimated.

“This is our key position on which we base everything. The risks now are considerable,” Lavrov said

'We're dancing on the Titanic,' observes stock-trading legend Thomas Peterffy, as Russia's Lavrov warns against underestimating nuclear-war risk


So much for America launching nukes first!
 

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Russia Is Now Openly Discussing NUKING London, Berlin, and Paris (noqreport.com)

Russia will have 50 Sarmats pointing towards Europe and USA.
Openly saying they will destroy the UK with just one Sarmat missile which can't be shot down.
And will be put in Kaliningrad, so about 2 to 3 minutes from launch to the nuclear fires.
Kaliningrad has an interesting history, a Russian state in the center of Europe.

They have no intention of using these new missiles unless Nato and the US poke them too hard.
I do think they would use them, Russia is a big country, knock the Europeans out permanently should put a big negatory on their great reset, so it is not all a bad thing. China, Russia, India, world power would remain with them, although Russia would be greatly diminished for a while. The country is too big and Eastern Russia would not be destroyed.

I don't expect the USA will survive intact, the country would be formally broken into new countries, with over 200 million dead, that still leaves 150 million in the USA trying to survive. So a great reset of a different kind than the WEF says will happen. Too bad Deagle, a defense consultant scrubbed their report, it predicted 150 million dead Americans by 2025 and was a fun read. All the huge cities filled with millions, these people even if they survived the initial blasts, would die off by over 90%, no food, no water, no medical care, no police, no government left and lots of Americans are sickly. And they wont be able to cope.
 
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