Scriptures Recent to Past Series Colossians 2

[GerhardEbersoehn]

202201(1)
(Colossians 2:16)
You are a Friend (1624-1691)
“After I had had some meetings in Sussex and Surrey, and visited Friends in the area, I returned to London by Kingston, where I had a meeting on the first day of the second month, being first-day. We were kept out of the meeting-house by a constable and watchmen, so were forced but happy to meet in the highway. Since it was the Monthly Meeting day and many people had come, the meeting was pretty large and very quiet; and the Lord's' blessed presence was among us; blessed be his name forever!” George Fox
But apply this to “Sabbath’s Feast of Christ”, and you are a hypocrite and legalist!

202112.1
Christ Triumphed in his suffering of dying the death of death Colossians 2:15, and by "the exceeding greatness of God's Power RAISING Him from the dead". Ephesians 1:19,20.
Jesus never '~had to be punished~'; we '~had to be punished~' because we are the ones who sinned; He never sinned, in fact it is written "He knew no sin".
Jesus never '~had to be punished for the sins of the World~', but '~He took upon Himself~' "our sins" because God "so loved the world". "For their sake", said Jesus, He did not contaminate Himself with their sins, but, "for their sake I sanctify Myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth." Now the truth is, sin pollutes; it does not sanctify or justify or purify whatsoever.
Therefore, was Jesus not polluted by or with sin whatsoever; he never '~had to be set free~' from sin or from '~punishment for sin~' He never shared in sin with us. Jesus free and willingly and "for joy that a Man (was) born into the world" became one of us and one with us, except in sin.
Thus Christ bore our iniquities from that He was conceived of the Holy Spirit in the womb of the virgin until He was Raised by the Spirit with Power in the womb of the grave, because He never did anything wrong but everything to the Will of God right, which, leaving death behind, '~allowed Jesus to be able~' to '~be set free~' from the grave.
"The last enemy destroyed is death", therewith sin, death's cause, eventually and finally and once forever BY THE RESURRECTION OF JESUS CHRIST FROM THE DEAD.

Horatius Bonar
…I heard the voice of Jesus say…
Feast after feast thus comes and passes by,
Yet, passing, points to that glad feast above,
Giving sweet foretaste of the festal joy
The Lamb’s great bridal feast of bliss and love.

Paul in Colossians 2
…Hear my defence I make…
Having assembled with one accord
Chosen men hazarded their lives
For the Name of our Lord Jesus Christ…
Do not you therefore let yourselves be judged
For eating and drinking of Sabbath’s Feast,
Shadow of things to come—
Of Christ the Substance and Nourishment
Ministered the Body of His Own
Holding to The Head given to the Church
And knit together in love by joints and bands
Of faith and peace and charity
GROWING WITH THE GROWTH OF GOD

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

202112.1
Christ Triumphed in his suffering of dying the death of death Colossians 2:15, and by "the exceeding greatness of God's Power RAISING Him from the dead". Ephesians 1:19,20.
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justified freely BY HIS GRACE through the redemption that is IN CHRIST JESUS Whom God set forth a Propitiation through FAITH in his blood declaring his Righteousness [his Life] for the remission of sins.” Romans 3:20-25,
Romans 5:8-11,
Ephesians 1:7,
Colossians 1:14,15,
Hebrews 9:12,
Matthew 27:4,
Proverbs 6:17; Isaiah 59:7
John 13:27
__________
1) The skin and vein next to the throat was cut. Cf. Colossians 2:19;

202109
WHERE HAPPENED, THIS GOSPEL?
IN JESUS' TRIUMPH IN SUFFERING, TRIUMPH IN DEATH, TRIUMPH IN BURIAL AND GRAVE, TRIUMPH-IN-RESURRECTION.
In Jesus' Triumph
having suffered triumphantly
He suffered dying death triumphantly
In Jesus' Triumph
having died triumphantly
He died the death of death triumphantly
having Laid Down His Life Himself triumphantly
In Jesus' Triumph
his body was embalmed triumphantly
and prepared and buried triumphantly
and his grave closed triumphantly
In Jesus' humiliation
He in His RESURRECTION
Triumphed Triumphantly
Colossians 2:15 Exodus 15
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no Jewish calendar in Colossians 2 but CHRIST'S calendar "regardless of month's or of weekly occurrence of Feast-of-Sabbath CHRIST IS the ESSENCE of" THE CHRISTIAN SABBATH DAY BECAUSE OF JESUS' RESURRECTION "ON THE SABBATH".
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Colossians does not deal with circumcision or with moon-sabbath or with ceremonial sabbaths or anything 'Jewish' and the list goes on. It also does not say the Sabbath is a shadow. It says these things, the eating and the drinking of feasting CHRIST "is" at present a shadow only compared to the future more matured Body of Christ the Church.
It’s finished. So I don’t know why one would keep the Sabbath… It’s not only the Sabbath but the whole LAW, true! “Nailed to the cross and obliterated” IN CHRIST. Absolutely, in Christ CRUCIFIED and obliterated, and therefore in CHRIST also RESURRECTED; and not only the whole Law but the Sabbath Day RESURRECTED – as in fact “according to the Scriptures” the Sabbath was a shadow of things to come IN CHRIST,

202108
AMEN Come, let us give the glory and honour owed God in Jesus Christ who honoured the Sabbath Day and kept it "HAVING TRIUMPHED IN IT GLORIOUSLY" Exodus 31:17 and Exodus 15A; Colossians 2:14 Ephesians 1:19,20 and Genesis 2:2,3.
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Now listen carefully, folks, unpretending Christians "remember the Sabbath" because it is Written - specifically "the Seventh Day Sabbath : OF THE LORD GOD" - the only "Sabbath of the LORD HE RESTING REVIVED AND REVIVING RESTED ON" - good enough for any Christian to remember as the physical day which God "made the Sabbath Day" of His Actual Divine Resting : IN CHRIST : FROM THE FIRST SABBATH IN EDEN, which in fact was <<a ceremonial foreshadowing of our continuing spiritual rest given us by Jesus>> the Sabbath Day He millennia later would from the dead, RISE ON. "Wherefore do not let yourselves be judged or condemned for eating and drinking of Sabbath' Feast of Christ the Substance." Paul's original Colossians 2:16,17.
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Not one word, phrase or sentence above is from the actual literal Text - Greek Text. NOT ONE.
So here is the truth,
"16 Do not you (Colossian believers) let yourselves be judged / condemned by anyone (of the world) in eating and in drinking or in respect of (eating and drinking) of weekly Sabbath's Feast whether of month's or of weekly (occurrence or frequency) : which (Sabbath's-Feasting) shadows forth The Body of Christ (given to the Church as Head), holding to the Head, growing with the growth of God, its Nourishment ministered being Christ the Substance."
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The Colossians 2:16 word for "the weekly (Seventh Day) Sabbath-Of-Feast-Of-Christ its Substance", IS JUST THAT - which means it does NOT <<mean the traditional Hebrew Sabbath>>, but the CHRISTIAN CHURCH-word 'Sabba'tohn' for singular, particular, exclusive DAY of OWN CHRISTIAN Congregational, holy, separate, Worship in "Sabbath's-Feast" and "Assembling Together" of the exclusive "BODY" of "True Believers" and "People of God" of post Hebraic and post Judaic CHRISTIAN age, milieu and growth-bed, which is NOT <<taken from the Hebrew>>. The word germinated, originated and developed in the black-earth of Hellenistic Christian Greek. It owes pre-Christian (paleo) Hebrew NOTHING.
Not for chicken's understanding but for followers of Jesus Christ's knowing and understanding in their OWN roots and beginnings and traditions etcetera – Biblical stuff!
Coincidence is God’s way of remaining anonymous, Einstein; Jesus Christ is God’s Way of becoming acquainted.
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all manuscripts old and recently incorporated in the apparatus (4K to 6K overall I have seen alleged) do not have any variants of significance as far as Colossians 2 is concerned – none whatsoever.
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. I have always said the Colossians 2:16 word, 'Sabba'tohn' is for "The Weekly Sabbath Day".
The Colossians 2:16 word is not 'sabbaton' the Hebrew word; is 'Sabba'tohn' which means God's Seventh Day Sabbath Day OF THE WEEK per the NT CHRISTIAN reckoning, Friday sunset to Saturday sunset.
So even agreeing we have to disagree júst because it cannot be MY way. Pity.

Colossians 2:16
Your way:
16 Let no man therefore judge you
The Written Way:
16 Do not you let yourselves be judged by anyone of the world

Your way:
in meat, or in drink,
The Written Way:
in your eating AND drinking

Your way:
or in respect of an holy day [NON-existent]
The Written Way:
or your eating and drinking in respect of whether

Your way:
or of the new [non-existent] moon [non-existent], or of the sabbath days [Dative non-existent]:
The Written Way:
of month's or of Weekly Sabbath's Feast.

Your way:
The word "days" is actually not in the Greek text. It's in italics
The Written Way:
The word "days" Plural as well as Singular is actually IN, PART OF, the Greek word 'Sabba'tohn'; it's not in italics. <in italics> says it's not there per se.
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[GerhardEbersoehn]

202105.6
Jesus "Our Passover" and "Lamb of God", is our REASON for "Sabbath's Feast of Christ".
Colossians 2:12-19
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Just another brain-washed. Pity. Same old story Colossians 2 without "Christ the Substance OF SABBATH-Feast" - you make it a ceremonial sabbath without Christ The Substance OF RESURECTION SABBATH-Feast .. Christ the NOURISHMENT ministered .. eating and drinking OF CHRIST the Substance of Sabbath-Feast.
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Pratsch:-
305 By entering into Christ by second birth, He, not a day, becomes our Sabbath rest. 316 There are two NT passages dealing with this issue of observance of specific days of worship or religious observance. 327 The first is in Colossians chapter two 330 This is what we read in Colossians chapter two, commencing at verse 16, Therefore, let no one act as your judge, 341 as regards to food or drink or in respect to a festival a new moon or a sabbath day 348 These things are a mere shadow of what is to come but the substance belongs to Christ. 357 Let no one keep you from your prize 400 by deriding and self-abasement 402 and the worship of angels taking his stand on visions he has seen inflated without cause by his fleshly mind. 413 The first thing we see is, Let no one act as your judge 417 in regards to … kath’roots[Sic.]—dietary laws. 422
Answer:-
Re: <<Let no one act as your judge 417 in regards to … kath’root[Sic.]—dietary laws.>>
The word as far as I am able to distinguish nearest Prasch’s indistinguishable distinction here @4:20-22, <<… kath’root[Sic.]…dietary laws>> that might 'sound like' an equivalent for "en merei", is ‘kata’ > ‘kath’---’, plus ‘tropheh’ – ‘diet’. But neither ‘kata’ nor ‘tropheh’ appears or appears even in the least supposed, in Colossians 2 from verse 16 the rest of the chapter.
THIS IS FRAUD IN THE MOST DESPICABLE WAY.
This makes me feel to stop right now with exposing further virtually every word or phrase or statement Prasch articulates in this video as DEVILISH DECEIT and COWARDLY BIGOTRY!

But it is serious things I accuse Prasch of. So I’ll have to go on. It may have been that Prasch @4:20-22 when he said what to me sounded like <<… kath’root[Sic.]…dietary laws>>, may have referred to verse 14 of chapter 16. But remember, Prasch specified, <<This is what we read in Colossians chapter two, commencing at verse 16, Therefore, let no one…>>k.t.l. Now verse 14 is the only place with the word ‘KATH’ (from ‘kata’), which is unmistakably audible @4:20-22 where Prasch, pausing and gesturing, hesitatingly says:- <<kath’….…>>, but unhesitatingly and clearly and loudly concludes, <<….dietary laws>>. So what is it in verse 14 that – to me and to anybody else for that matter – would have sounded like <<kath’root>>? MAYBE “kath’ hehmohn cheirographon”? MAYBE “kath’ hehmohn cheirographon tois DOGMASIN”—“ORDINANCES”: <<dietary LAWS>>—, because they are “against us”?!
I don’t know HOW but perhaps, o.k. But does Paul “console” the Church with verse 14 like he “consoles” and encourages God’s People to “NOT be intimidated or coerced by anyone or beguiled with enticing words” of the WORLD or WISDOM or POWER or AUTHORITY?! No way! Verse 14 does not pertain <<what we read in Colossians chapter two, commencing at verse 16>>, NOT BY A LONG SHOT! In verse 14 it is Paul who judges judgementalism and legalism of man and philosophy or whatever of the WORLD; in verse 16 it is the Church admonished by Paul, that should not ALLOW the WORLD or WISDOM or POWER or AUTHORITY to judge or condemn it, or them, the Believers, the Church sovereign by virtue of Christ the Substance and Essence of its very BEING AND STRUCTURE—Christ the Substance and Essence of its INSTITUTION AND CONSTITUTION, Christ the Substance and Essence of its every action, practice and discipline!
Prasch:-
@4:22 dietary laws or in regard to a festival 428 a new moon or a sabbath 430
Answer:
There can be no doubt that Prasch intended and verbalised his intention to imprint the idea of “in regard to” in the mind of his listeners by WRONGLY, WILFULLY AND MISCHIEVOUSLY having applied the word ‘kata’ in this row of things of <<dietary laws>>, <<a festival>>, <<a new moon>> and <<a sabbath>>.
But let it here be stressed that no Preposition can change or override the dynamics of the Case, which in this instance in any case is enforced with the agreement in meaning of the syntactical Preposition actually USED in the passage, the Preposition ‘en’ – ‘in’, and, to form the PHRASE “with regard to”, the Preposition ‘en’ – ‘in’ enforced with the Noun ‘meros’, “individual”, “part”, “section .. of the BODY”—“of the WHOLE WHICH IS CHRIST THE SUBSTANCE AND ESSENCE”.
Since having mentioned the word ‘kata’, Prasch resorted to the Greek in, supposedly, Colossians 2: 16. But on the contrary, in order to be faithful to the Greek, verse 16 must read,
16a Then therefore, anybody [οὖν τις]
b do not let you be judged [ὑμᾶς κρινέτω]
c in eating and in drinking [ἐν βρώσει καὶ ἐν πόσει]
d either in respect of a feast’s (eating and drinking) [ἢ ἐν μέρει ἑορτῆς]
e or of month’s or Weekly Sabbath’s— ἢ νεομηνίας ἢ σαββάτων,
17a what (eating and drinking) is spectre (shadow) [ἅ ἐστιν σκιὰ τῶν]
b of the imminent things: [τῶν μελλόντων·]
c indeed OF CHRIST’S OWN the BODY (the Church) [τὸ δὲ σῶμα τοῦ Χριστοῦ].
“THEN THEREFORE, don’t you let yourselves be judged and condemned by anyone (of the world 2:8, 20) in your eating and drinking or with regard to your eating and drinking of feast, whether of month’s or of Sabbaths’—all which shadows forth what soon must be, the BODY and SUBSTANCE OF CHRIST!”

Prasch:-
verse 16, Therefore, let no one act as your judge, 341 as regards to food or drink or in respect to a festival a new moon or a sabbath day 348 These things are a mere shadow of 433 what is to come – the Substance belongs to Christ 437 Think of a shadow the shadow teaches you about the thing causing the shadow without substance. 445 The Substance belongs to Christ. You can put somebody’s hat in front of a light on a wall and you see the shadow of the hat. 453 The shadow will teach something about the hat, but once the hat comes into full view you don’t see the shadow anymore, you have the substance. 503 When Jesus came the Law was fulfilled 506 Sabbatarian observance was the shadow 510 the Substance belongs to Christ. 513 He is our sabbath rest, not a day. 516 That’s not to say it is wrong to worship on a Saturday or on a Sunday. 520 It is to say however, it is wrong to let anyone judge you on what day you do worship. 527 These things are matters of personal choice conscience and local culture, nothing more, nothing other than personal freedom. 539 same now for holy days 546 It’s important to understand for all Christians, for Jews and non Jews 550 how Jesus is the Messianic Fulfilment 555 of the Hebrew seed of Israel of Leviticus 23 and 24 600 How He is the pascal lamb, how the pascal lamb is a shadow of Him. 606 or how His … foreshadowed by the scapegoat on the day of atonement. It’s important to understand these things. How … the holy days foreshadowed Christ. 621 But it’s not mandatory to observe them and it’s culturally alien for people who are not Jews or who are not married to Jews to observe them 633 To understand the theology of these days, absolutely. 636 But to actually observe them? We are told in first Corinthians 5 that our passover – meal, is the Lord’s Supper. 644 In my family I was raised Jewish we always had passover seder using it as a way to present Christ as a Jew and it’s the time when we always ate the Lord’s Supper as a family. 657 My background was not of pure Jewish blood but my wife and children are of pure Jewish blood and I encouraged(?) them to retain their Jewish identity in Christ. 708 That was fine. But no one do you judge in regard to it. 714 Let no one tell you you must observe just say or that one. 720 And it continues going beyond that [verse 18] “Let no one keep defrauding you of your prize .. taking his stand on a vision.” 727 … Joseph Smith claims he had a vision of an angel
Answer:-
So we have encountered Prasch’s Colossians 2:16, having begun with his in any way or form of the non-existent VARIANT, ‘kata’ for ‘en merei’. So Prasch goes on:- <<verse 16, Therefore, let no one act as your judge, 341 as regards to food or drink or in respect to a festival a new moon or a sabbath day 348 These things are a mere shadow…>>. Two sentences completely comprised of NON-EXISTENTS.
The real Colossians 2:16-17 does NOT HAVE: <<as regards to>>; it does not have, <<food>>; it does not have <<drink>> it does not have <<a festival>>; it does not have <<a new moon>>; it does not have <<a sabbath>>; it does not have <<day>>; it does not have <<these>>; it does not have <<mere>>— NONE of these things!
The real Colossians 2:16-17 DOES HAVE:-
“16a Then therefore, anybody [οὖν τις]
“b do not let you be judged [ὑμᾶς κρινέτω]
“c in eating and in drinking [ἐν βρώσει καὶ ἐν πόσει]
“d either in respect of a feast’s (eating and drinking) [ἢ ἐν μέρει ἑορτῆς]
“e or of month’s or Weekly Sabbath’s— ἢ νεομηνίας ἢ σαββάτων,
“17a what (eating and drinking) is spectre (shadow) [ἅ ἐστιν σκιὰ τῶν]
“b of the imminent things: [τῶν μελλόντων·]
“c indeed OF CHRIST’S OWN the BODY (the Church) [τὸ δὲ σῶμα τοῦ Χριστοῦ].”

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

202105.6
Prasch:-
At the beginning Prasch told us,
<<@2:05 It has been the traditional position of some occults ... who have a number of areas of doctrinal error and who are in recent times increasingly leaning towards ecumenism and theological liberalism.>>
The irony… Prasch takes position against the occult, doctrinal error / theological liberalism, and ecumenism.
But what is the ‘occult’? In Christian context, the occult is doctrinal error and theological liberalism the one dependent on the other at the expense of Sola Scriptura.
And what is ‘ecumenism’? – ostensible ‘unity’ in Christianity at exactly the same price as the occult in Christianity.
To distinguish in this conglomeration of <error> is all for show. As the following examples from Prasch prove:
506 Sabbatarian observance was the shadow 510 the Substance belongs to Christ. 513 He is our sabbath rest, not a day. 516 That’s not to say it is wrong to worship on a Saturday or on a Sunday. 520 It is to say however, it is wrong to let anyone judge you on what day you do worship. 527 These things are matters of personal choice conscience and local culture, nothing more, nothing other than personal freedom. 539 same now for holy days 546 It’s important to understand for all Christians, for Jews and non Jews 550 how Jesus is the Messianic Fulfilment 555 of the Hebrew seed of Israel of Leviticus 23 and 24 600 How He is the pascal lamb, how the pascal lamb is a shadow of Him. 606 or how He’s foreshadowed by the scapegoat on the day of atonement. It’s important to understand these things. How … the holy days foreshadowed Christ. 621 But it’s not mandatory to observe them and it’s culturally alien for people who are not Jews or who are not married to Jews to observe them 633 To understand the theology of these days, absolutely. 636 But to actually observe them? We are told in first Corinthians 5 that our passover – meal, is the Lord’s Supper. 644 In my family I was raised Jewish we always had passover seder using it as a way to present Christ as a Jew and it’s the time when we always ate the Lord’s Supper as a family. 657 My background was not of pure Jewish blood but my wife and children are of pure Jewish blood and I encouraged(?) them to retain their Jewish identity in Christ. 708 That was fine. But no one do you judge in regard to it. 714 Let no one tell you you must observe just say or that one. 720 And it continues going beyond that [verse 18] “Let no one keep defrauding you of your prize .. taking his stand on a vision.” 734

Logical incoherence and confusion:
<<Sabbatarian observance was the shadow>>
<<It is to say however, it is wrong to let anyone judge you>>
<<Jesus is the Messianic Fulfilment of the Hebrew seed of Israel of Leviticus>>
<<It’s important to understand these things how the holy days foreshadowed Christ, but it’s not mandatory to observe them>>
<<That was fine. But no one do you judge in regard to it. 714 Let no one tell you you must observe just say or that one.>>
Doctrinal arbitrariness, recklessness and contradiction:
<<He is our sabbath rest, not a day.>>
<<to let anyone judge you on what day you do worship.>>
<<nothing other than personal freedom – same now for holy days>>
<<We are told in first Corinthians 5 that our passover – meal, is the Lord’s Supper.>>
<<to retain their Jewish identity in Christ. That was fine.>>
<<That was fine. But no one do you judge in regard to it. 714 Let no one tell you you must observe just say or that one.>>
Social and psychological leniency and liberal lunacy:
<<That’s not to say it is wrong to worship on a Saturday or on a Sunday.>>
<<These things are matters of personal choice conscience and local culture, nothing more>>
<<it’s culturally alien for people who are not Jews or who are not married to Jews to observe them>>
<<My background was not of pure Jewish blood but my wife and children are of pure Jewish blood and I encouraged(?) them to retain their Jewish identity in Christ.>>
<<retain their Jewish identity in Christ. That was fine. But no one do you judge in regard to it. >>
<<720 And it continues going beyond that [verse 18] “Let no one keep defrauding you of your prize .. taking his stand on a vision.”>>
NOW IF THE ABOVE DOES NOT SPELL <<the occult, doctrinal error / theological liberalism, and ecumenism>>, WHAT DOES?!

Prasch:-
. 527 These things are matters of personal choice conscience and local culture, nothing more, nothing other than personal freedom. 539 same now for holy days 546 It’s important to understand for all Christians, for Jews and non Jews 550 how Jesus is the Messianic Fulfilment 555 of the Hebrew seed of Israel of Leviticus 23 and 24 600 How He is the pascal lamb, how the pascal lamb is a shadow of Him. 606 or how His … foreshadowed by the scapegoat on the day of atonement. It’s important to understand these things. How … the holy days foreshadowed Christ. 621 But it’s not mandatory to observe them and it’s culturally alien for people who are not Jews or who are not married to Jews to observe them 633 To understand the theology of these days, absolutely. 636 But to actually observe them? We are told in first Corinthians 5 that our passover – meal, is the Lord’s Supper. 644 In my family I was raised Jewish we always had passover seder using it as a way to present Christ as a Jew and it’s the time when we always ate the Lord’s Supper as a family. 657 My background was not of pure Jewish blood but my wife and children are of pure Jewish blood and I encouraged(?) them to retain their Jewish identity in Christ.
Answer:
Where Jesus is the Great Opponent of the traditions of men, Prasch thinks it better to be the Great Defender of the traditions of men.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

202103
Ronald David Bruno said: ↑
I'm beginning to think you are deliberately trying to attack the universally and traditionally accepted days that Jesus died and rose just justify your legalistic adherence to the Sabbath. (SDA?) Your mission to get rid of the Lord's Day and shift his death to Thursday (as if you are convincing anyone) is not working! Maybe in your mind you think The Holy Spirit is working through you to convince the world that we have been wrong all along and should be worshipping on The Sabbath? I think He would have made that correction long ago if that were true - maybe as part of Luther's 95 Thesis? So, I guess you won't be celebrating Easter Sunday?
Reply:
At last something we agree on, I <deliberately am trying to attack the universally and traditionally accepted days that Jesus died and rose, to justify the ONLY reason for being of the Seventh Day Sabbath OF THE LORD GOD : because Jesus ROSE from the dead ON IT. Yea, you are absolutely right. I wish the SDA believed it also. But they are greater enthusiasts of the universally and traditionally accepted days that Jesus died and rose than Sunday Resurrectionists!
By the grace of God I am what I am, of 'Sabbath's Feast of Christ Home Assemblies Reformed Protestant Faith'.
Ronald David Bruno said: ↑
That's the longest name of a denomination I have ever heard.
https://www.christianityboard.com/threads/three-days.39156/page-9#post-982273#190
Reply:
Every word in it except 'Reformed Protestant', is a word of SCRIPTURE Colossians 2:16 and Acts 20:7 essentially.

202102
mailmandan said: ↑
There is no explicit instruction anywhere in the New Testament where the sabbath is commanded to be kept by the Church. In Colossians 2:16-17, we read - Therefore, no one is to act as your judge in regard to food and drink, or in respect to a festival or a new moon, or a Sabbath day— things which are only a shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ. Yet you act as my judge.
Reply:
You don't quote Colossians 2:16 -- you quote you. I've shown you, yet you judge the real Scripture a fake.
But even the version you present against the Sabbath contains nothing against the Sabbath, but on the contrary presupposes "eating and drinking of Sabbath's Feast of Christ the Nourishment ministered" no one has the right to judge the Church for. What do you want better for <explicit instruction> in the New Testament where the Sabbath is SEEN -- READ of, as, <kept by the Church>?
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CadyandZoe said: ↑
Jesus was eating the Jewish Passover meal with his disciples
Reply:
Jesus and his disciples were at the Last Supper of leavened bread and wine - Jesus', NEW arrangement for his disciples / followers / Christians, never seen or heard of before. Christ's authentic, Feast-- what caused you bring the subject to this discussion of Colossians 2, no wonder. But immediately the foe lead you astray, JUST LIKE he does with everybody with regard to the SABBATH in this Scripture -- trying to make it a Jewish thing.

Tong2020 said: ↑
“Works of the law” refers to the do’s and don’ts of the written code.
Reply:
“Works of the law” refers to self-righteousness -- earning salvation with GOOD and lawful works.
<<the written code>> is God's Written Word - his Word according to 2Timothy 3:16, the work of God's Holy Spirit not of any do's or don'ts of men.

charity said: ↑
By comparing verses 47 & 40, with verses 53-54 it will be seen that, 'believing on Christ,' is exactly the same thing as 'eating' and 'drinking' of His flesh and blood.
Reply:
AMEN. Very important, absolutely true, <<'believing on Christ,' is exactly the same thing as 'eating' and 'drinking' of His flesh and blood>>.
charity said: ↑
'I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is My flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.
The Jews therefore strove among themselves,
saying, How can this man give us His flesh to eat? Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink His blood, ye have no life in you. Whoso eateth My flesh, and drinketh My blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise Him up at the last day.' For My flesh is meat indeed, and My blood is drink indeed.'
(John 6:51-55)
Hello @Marymog,
There is only one authority that I accept where the words used by the Holy Spirit in His Word are concerned, and that is that same Word, for only by carefully comparing Scripture with Scripture will we be sure that we have the truth.
* Just as the body lives temporarily by eating bread, so the new life is nourished by feeding upon Christ in our hearts by faith.
* 'Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink His blood, ye have no life in you.' That this verse does not refer to the Lord's Supper is clear from the fact that it was not then instituted; and that the words could not have been understood (as they were): also , it would shut out all who, from age and infirmity or other cause, had not partaken of that supper. It also cannot refer to the Mass, as there is no drinking at all in the Mass. By comparing verses 47 & 40, with verses 53-54 it will be seen that, 'believing on Christ,' is exactly the same thing as 'eating' and 'drinking' of His flesh and blood.
* Except you feed on Christ in your hearts and partake of His life (for the blood is the life), ye have no life in you.
* The Hebrews used the figure of eating and drinking in regard to the assimilation of knowledge. In Exodus 24:11. it is used of being alive, for the subjects of the verse saw God yet lived! (or 'did eat and drink') So 'eating and drinking' denoted the operation of the mind in receiving and inwardly digesting truth or the words of God. See Deu. 8:3; Jer. 15:16 and Ezekiel 2:8:-
'And He humbled thee, and suffered thee to hunger, and fed thee with manna, which thou knewest not, neither did thy fathers know; that He might make thee know that man doth not live by bread only, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of the LORD doth man live.'
'Thy words were found, and I did eat them; and Thy word was unto me the joy and rejoicing of mine heart: for I am called by Thy name, O LORD God of hosts.' 'And thou shalt speak My words unto them, whether they will hear, or whether they will forbear: for they are most rebellious. But thou, son of man, hear what I say unto thee;
Be not thou rebellious like that rebellious house: open thy mouth, and eat that I give thee.
And when I looked, behold, an hand was sent unto me; and, lo, a roll of a book was therein;
And he spread it before me; and it was written within and without: and there was written therein lamentations, and mourning, and woe.'
(Eze 2:7-10)
* No idiom was more common in the days of our Lord.
* The idiom, 'flesh and blood' referred to the whole person.
Reply:
Honestly, to me, it's the best, the truest, the most Christ-like post of yours I have yet read. God be with you.
Then kindly forgive me for remarking, my disappointment that Colossians 2 is not among your references. Would Colossians 2:14-19 not have been very apt in connection with, <<* Just as the body lives temporarily by eating bread, so the new life is nourished by feeding upon Christ in our hearts by faith.>>, and, <<* Except you feed on Christ in your hearts and partake of His life (for the blood is the life), ye have no life in you.>>

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

202103
Ronald David Bruno said: ↑
I'm beginning to think you are deliberately trying to attack the universally and traditionally accepted days that Jesus died and rose just justify your legalistic adherence to the Sabbath. (SDA?) Your mission to get rid of the Lord's Day and shift his death to Thursday (as if you are convincing anyone) is not working! Maybe in your mind you think The Holy Spirit is working through you to convince the world that we have been wrong all along and should be worshipping on The Sabbath? I think He would have made that correction long ago if that were true - maybe as part of Luther's 95 Thesis? So, I guess you won't be celebrating Easter Sunday?
Reply:
At last something we agree on, I <deliberately am trying to attack the universally and traditionally accepted days that Jesus died and rose, to justify the ONLY reason for being of the Seventh Day Sabbath OF THE LORD GOD : because Jesus ROSE from the dead ON IT. Yea, you are absolutely right. I wish the SDA believed it also. But they are greater enthusiasts of the universally and traditionally accepted days that Jesus died and rose than Sunday Resurrectionists!
By the grace of God I am what I am, of 'Sabbath's Feast of Christ Home Assemblies Reformed Protestant Faith'.
Ronald David Bruno said: ↑
That's the longest name of a denomination I have ever heard.
https://www.christianityboard.com/threads/three-days.39156/page-9#post-982273#190
Reply:
Every word in it except 'Reformed Protestant', is a word of SCRIPTURE Colossians 2:16 and Acts 20:7 essentially.
202102
*Nowhere in the New Testament is the Church commanded to keep the weekly sabbath day and to the contrary we find -- (Colossians 2:16-17)
GE:
Look at your 'arguments' in whole -- do you do it all JUST to justify yourself for not keeping the Sabbath holy? Amazing, flabbergasting! I have nothing else to say to you but that I notice the one Scripture after the other robbed of its purity at your abuse for personal delight.

mailmandan said: ↑
There is no explicit instruction anywhere in the New Testament where the sabbath is commanded to be kept by the Church. In Colossians 2:16-17, we read - Therefore, no one is to act as your judge in regard to food and drink, or in respect to a festival or a new moon, or a Sabbath day— things which are only a shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ. Yet you act as my judge.
Reply:
You don't quote Colossians 2:16 -- you quote you. I've shown you, yet you judge the real Scripture a fake.
But even the version you present against the Sabbath contains nothing against the Sabbath, but on the contrary presupposes "eating and drinking of Sabbath's Feast of Christ the Nourishment ministered" no one has the right to judge the Church for. What do you want better for <explicit instruction> in the New Testament where the Sabbath is SEEN -- READ of, as, <kept by the Church>?
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CadyandZoe said: ↑
Jesus was eating the Jewish Passover meal with his disciples
Reply:
Jesus and his disciples were at the Last Supper of leavened bread and wine - Jesus', NEW arrangement for his disciples / followers / Christians, never seen or heard of before. Christ's authentic, Feast-- what caused you bring the subject to this discussion of Colossians 2, no wonder. But immediately the foe lead you astray, JUST LIKE he does with everybody with regard to the SABBATH in this Scripture -- trying to make it a Jewish thing.

Marymog said: ↑
Then why did He tell us we must eat/drink Him?
Colossians 2:16-19!
But you say, instead of Him, I must eat bread. Bread that comes from where?
"This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this Bread shall live for ever." John 6:53
No Roman Catholics live longer than Protestants! Not one Roman Catholic on earth who never died!
charity said: ↑
By comparing verses 47 & 40, with verses 53-54 it will be seen that, 'believing on Christ,' is exactly the same thing as 'eating' and 'drinking' of His flesh and blood.
Reply:
AMEN. Very important, absolutely true, <<'believing on Christ,' is exactly the same thing as 'eating' and 'drinking' of His flesh and blood>>.
charity said: ↑
'I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is My flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.
The Jews therefore strove among themselves,
saying, How can this man give us His flesh to eat? Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink His blood, ye have no life in you. Whoso eateth My flesh, and drinketh My blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise Him up at the last day.' For My flesh is meat indeed, and My blood is drink indeed.'
(John 6:51-55)
Hello @Marymog,
There is only one authority that I accept where the words used by the Holy Spirit in His Word are concerned, and that is that same Word, for only by carefully comparing Scripture with Scripture will we be sure that we have the truth.
* Just as the body lives temporarily by eating bread, so the new life is nourished by feeding upon Christ in our hearts by faith.
* 'Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink His blood, ye have no life in you.' That this verse does not refer to the Lord's Supper is clear from the fact that it was not then instituted; and that the words could not have been understood (as they were): also , it would shut out all who, from age and infirmity or other cause, had not partaken of that supper. It also cannot refer to the Mass, as there is no drinking at all in the Mass. By comparing verses 47 & 40, with verses 53-54 it will be seen that, 'believing on Christ,' is exactly the same thing as 'eating' and 'drinking' of His flesh and blood.
* Except you feed on Christ in your hearts and partake of His life (for the blood is the life), ye have no life in you.
* The Hebrews used the figure of eating and drinking in regard to the assimilation of knowledge. In Exodus 24:11. it is used of being alive, for the subjects of the verse saw God yet lived! (or 'did eat and drink') So 'eating and drinking' denoted the operation of the mind in receiving and inwardly digesting truth or the words of God. See Deu. 8:3; Jer. 15:16 and Ezekiel 2:8:-
'And He humbled thee, and suffered thee to hunger, and fed thee with manna, which thou knewest not, neither did thy fathers know; that He might make thee know that man doth not live by bread only, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of the LORD doth man live.'
'Thy words were found, and I did eat them; and Thy word was unto me the joy and rejoicing of mine heart: for I am called by Thy name, O LORD God of hosts.' 'And thou shalt speak My words unto them, whether they will hear, or whether they will forbear: for they are most rebellious. But thou, son of man, hear what I say unto thee;
Be not thou rebellious like that rebellious house: open thy mouth, and eat that I give thee.
And when I looked, behold, an hand was sent unto me; and, lo, a roll of a book was therein;
And he spread it before me; and it was written within and without: and there was written therein lamentations, and mourning, and woe.'
(Eze 2:7-10)
* No idiom was more common in the days of our Lord.
* The idiom, 'flesh and blood' referred to the whole person.
Reply:
Honestly, to me, it's the best, the truest, the most Christ-like post of yours I have yet read. God be with you.
Then kindly forgive me for remarking, my disappointment that Colossians 2 is not among your references. Would Colossians 2:14-19 not have been very apt in connection with, <<* Just as the body lives temporarily by eating bread, so the new life is nourished by feeding upon Christ in our hearts by faith.>>, and, <<* Except you feed on Christ in your hearts and partake of His life (for the blood is the life), ye have no life in you.>>
202102

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

202102.53
charity said: ↑
Thank you for referring me to Colossians 2:14-19: verses 20-23 sum it up beautifully too, don't they:-
202102.55
Reply:
No, I don't think 21-23 can be a summary of 14-19. You explained 14-19 so well, as, let's say, spiritual, not physical. 21-23 is literally fleshly, in clear and sharpest contrast with the things before verse 20. Only verse 18 is comparable with 21-23 and Paul says don't be beguiled by such pretentious people.
EVERYTHING before verse 20, from 12:1 speaks of things Paul CONSOLES AND ENCOURAGES the Church - the Body of Christ's Own, with.
TRADITION makes everything before and after verse 20, 'Jewish' while NOTHING in Colossians is concerned with things 'Jewish'. In Colossians the Church has to do with the WORLD, and verses 21-23 deals with malpractices of the world -- as does verse 18.
So in every way - from left to right as well as from right to left TRADITION has been the corrupting agent on behalf of the devil himself to create confusion and misinformation, the very things Paul warns the Church about and against, condoning what is truly Christian and condemning what is purely worldly, ascetic, gnostic, mystic fraud, deceit and in fact, vice.
I say THIS OBVIOUS and all important CONTRAST between 12-19 before and 21-23 after verse 20 is CARDINAL BUT IS EVER BEMUDDLED REVERSED AND SMOOTHED-TALKED AWAY, by, and with TRADITION-- EVIL SATANIC TRADITION.

10And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power: 11In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: 12Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with [him] through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead. 13And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; 14Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; 15[And] having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
16Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath [days]: 17Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body [is] of Christ. 18Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind, 19And not holding the Head, from which all the body by joints and bands having nourishment ministered, and knit together, increaseth with the increase of God.
20If ye are dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, do you subject yourselves to religious scruples 21like ‘Touch not; taste not; handle not’? 22which all are to perish with the using; after the commandments and doctrines of men? 23Which things have indeed a shew of wisdom in will worship, and humility, and neglecting of the body; not in any honour to the satisfying of the flesh.
A
10 You are complete and perfect IN HIM, the Head of all principality and power:
20 why, if you are dead with Christ from the values of the WORLD,
20 why, as though your eternal life is in the world, do you subject yourselves to religious systems rites and scruples—dogma – after the commandments and doctrines of men?
B
11 You are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, of putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ,
20 why, if you are dead with Christ from the values of the world,
23 do you, to the satisfying of the flesh neglect the body 22 (with things) which all are to perish with the using .. 21 (like) ‘Touch not!’ ‘Taste not!’ ‘Handle not!’? (asceticism, fasting etc.)
C
12 Buried with Him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with Him through the faith of the operation of God who hath raised Him from the dead,
20 why, if you are dead with Christ from the values of the world,
23 why do you make a shew of wisdom in will worship, and of humility, not in any honour to _GOD_?
D
13 You, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath He quickened together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses, 14 blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross,
20 therefore, if you are dead with Christ from the world,
18 Let no man with enticing words in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind, intruding into those things which he hath not seen or ever understood, beguile you of your Reward which is CHRIST.
202102.70 You react to Backlit with this-- the very opposite, completely <relying on system> implied in Romans 14. And actually quote Colossians 2 WRONGLY, FRAUDULANTLY. Contradiction and strife rather than "growth with the growing of God .. in eating and drinking of Christ's Feast of SABBATH"! then turning into your real self, MEAN AND HAUGHTY.
I am ashamed, like John MacArthur I don't know if I could sell Christianity on any non-Christian with <<your, types .. running the Church>>.
O Lord, have mercy on your True Church so Few so Hidden with Christ so hidden in this world -- but HIDDEN IN GOD-- Christ's body triumphant in the Last Day.
202102.59
There you are. What else can I say or do to show Colossians 2 is
not against God's Law and
does not make distinction between 'moral' and 'ceremonial' Laws of God, and
definitively is about the VAIN first principles of the WORLD and not about alleged 'legalism of sabbatarianism'.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

202101.1
2nd Timothy Group said: ↑
Colossians 2:16-17 NKJV - "So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, 17 which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ."
Why would Paul write the above passage?
GE:
Paul did not write what you quoted. You quoted quasi translators, like the Adventists.

202101.6
Colossians 2:16-19
The Church derives its power and authority,
vitality and growth,
from the Head which is Christ (2:10, 1:18),
the hope of glory (1:27).

The world, haughty in its might and rule of
deceit and pretence (2:18),
seeks to spoil (destroy) the Church (2:8)
judging and condemning it (2:16).

The Church is free and its
members freemen of Christ;
the world is captive of religion,
verbosity and excessiveness.

The Church celebrates its rest
obtained in Christ;
the world boasts its own
wisdom and will-worship.

The world very religiously
revels in self-inflicted misery;
the Church celebrates by faith in love,
Sabbath’s feasting the triumph of God in Christ.

The world is empty, trying to
fill the void with pride;
the Church with joy and thankfulness
receives of the fullness of God in Christ.

202101.7
WaterSong said: ↑
Yeah, I'll just jump to the end of the line here and make it simple because I agree this thread is weird.
What's your point?
GE:
Yeah, and I'll just jump to the end of the line here and make it simple because I clearly see you ain't weird but plainly provoke which is your whole point. (Colossians 2:18)

2nd Timothy Group said: ↑

Galatians 3:10 NLT - "But those who depend on the law to make them right with God are under his curse, for the Scriptures say, "Cursed is everyone who does not observe and obey all the commands that are written in God's Book of the Law."

This is why Paul wrote the following:

Colossians 2:16-17 NKJV - "So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, 17 which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ."

202101.11
Re: <<This is why Paul wrote the following:>> Arbitrary false allegation ignorant of the first principles of faithful exegesis.

2nd Timothy Group said: ↑
Colossians 2:16-17 NKJV - "So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, 17 which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ."
Why would Paul write the above passage?
GE:
Colossians 2
A: 2That their hearts might be comforted, being knit together in love, and unto all riches of the full assurance of understanding, to the acknowledgement of the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ; 3In whom are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.
WHAT YOU TRY YOUR BEST TO NULLIFY
B: 4And this I say, lest any man should beguile you with enticing words.
WHAT YOU ARE TRYING YOUR BEST TO DO
202101.12
Colossians 2:16-19
12 While dead in your sins God who raised Christ from the dead forgave you all trespasses having quickened you together with Him. Nailing it to the cross and removing it altogether, Christ blotted out the damning law against us; and putting off and ruining the rulers and the authorities [of darkness 1:13], He publicly held them up to shame, triumphing over them in it. [If ye then be raised with Christ 3:1], THEN THEREFORE, don’t you let yourselves be judged and condemned by anyone (of the world 2:8, 20) in your eating and drinking or with regard to your eating and drinking of feast, whether of month’s or of Sabbaths’—all which shadows forth what soon must be, the BODY and SUBSTANCE OF CHRIST!

Let no man not holding to the Head [but] puffed up by his fleshly mind, who conceitedly meddles in what he knows nothing about (the mystery which is Christ 1:28), with his pretentious humility and angelic worship beguile you (with enticing words 2:4) of your reward.

Because holding to the Head nourishment being ministered, all the Body (of Christ’s Own 1:18) by joints and bands [of faith 2:12 Hosea 11:4; peace Ephesians 4:3; and charity Colossians 3:14], and knit together (in love 2:2), will grow with the growth of God.
"Don't you let yourselves be judged by anyone in regard to your eating and drinking of Christ the Substance of Sabbaths' Feast either Lord's Supper of month's or Sabbaths' Feast, which are but the shadow of what imminently must come for you holding to the Head, the Body growing with the growth of God Christ being the Nourishment ministered."
Since having resurrected from the dead "on the Sabbath in fullness of day", "Jesus having entered into his Own Rest as God in his own, He gave them Rest, so that THEREFORE A KEEPING OF SABBATH REST DAY FOR THE PEOPLE OF GOD REMAINS."