SDA question

[atpollard]

What happens to a SDA Dairy Farmer?
Cows need to be milked EVERY day and that is clearly your "work".

 

[1stCenturyLady]

What happens to a SDA Dairy Farmer?
Cows need to be milked EVERY day and that is clearly your "work".

That is a Pharisaical question.

Luke 14:5
5 And answered them, saying, Which of you shall have an ass or an ox fallen into a pit, and will not straightway pull him out on the sabbath day?

A cow will suffer if not milked and fed. Do good.

cc: @BarnyFife

 

[amigo de christo]

That is a Pharisaical question.

Luke 14:5
5 And answered them, saying, Which of you shall have an ass or an ox fallen into a pit, and will not straightway pull him out on the sabbath day?

A cow will suffer if not milked and fed. Do good.

Who of you would see a muslim or a buddist , an athiest fallen into the pit of their own delusion
and would not rather PREACH TO THEM the GOSPLE which would save them out of that pit that they are in .......
I SAY WE PONDER on that question .
Cause ROME and many protestant daughters seem to be saying , oh the muslims , the buddists , the atheist
and any religoin is not in the pit , they are saved if they have love and do good works .
TALK about A DELUSION . cause the last time i checked , THERE IS NONE that IS GOOD
And the only way to be counted and made RIGHTEOUS , IS BY FAITH IN JESUS CHRIST .
SO i suggest we dont let anyone on a false path believe they are fine . For that broad path
leads only to perdition . There is but one way . HIS NAME IS JESUS CHRIST .
And as JESUS himself said , HE or she who beleives in ME shall be saved
but he or she who believes not IS CONDEMNED already .......................
Our churches are falling for a false love , a ruse , the strong delusion of the all inclusion . WE cannot partake of that whores cup .

 

[atpollard]

That is a Pharisaical question.

Luke 14:5
5 And answered them, saying, Which of you shall have an ass or an ox fallen into a pit, and will not straightway pull him out on the sabbath day?

A cow will suffer if not milked and fed. Do good.

cc: @BarnyFife

If you are working EVERY Sabbath, then is it really a “day of rest”?

So SDA Dairy Farmers ignore the commandment to “remember the Sabbath and keep it holy” by doing their normal work seven days per week and treating all days alike (and I am going to HELL because I attend church on Sunday instead of Saturday). That’s messed up thinking.

 

[atpollard]

Who of you would see a muslim or a buddist , an athiest fallen into the pit of their own delusion
and would not rather PREACH TO THEM the GOSPLE which would save them out of that pit that they are in .......
I SAY WE PONDER on that question .

They don’t want to listen.
Like the men of Romans 1, they have chosen the lie over the truth and seem immune to Truth. It seems that I have no choice but to “give them over” to the path they have chosen.

Romans 10:16 [NASB95]

However, they did not all heed the good news; for Isaiah says, "LORD, WHO HAS BELIEVED OUR REPORT?"​

 

[Cassandra]

If you are working EVERY Sabbath, then is it really a “day of rest”?

So SDA Dairy Farmers ignore the commandment to “remember the Sabbath and keep it holy” by doing their normal work seven days per week and treating all days alike (and I am going to HELL because I attend church on Sunday instead of Saturday). That’s messed up thinking.

Why do you care what day we worship on? If going on any day is no big deal, why do you care?
I am very sorry that someone told you you were going to hell for going to church on Sunday.If you think that an Adventist would say you were going to hell, you weren't talking to an Adventist. Adventists believe that death is a sleep. We will not be raised until Christ returns. Adventists believe hell is the grave.

 

[atpollard]

Why do you care what day we worship on? If going on any day is no big deal, why do you care?
I am very sorry that someone told you you were going to hell for going to church on Sunday.If you think that an Adventist would say you were going to hell, you weren't talking to an Adventist.

Historically, the attempt to change the day of worship has been perpetrated by the papacy of Rome which reveres Sunday as the day of rest instead of Saturday, the biblical Sabbath. The fact that the second beast in Revelation 13, representing the United States of America, exercises the same authority as the first beast (Rev. 13:12) and cooperates with the first beast to enforce false worship shows that Sunday will be an important distinguishing mark of those who worship the beast and his image in contrast to God’s remnant people who “keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus” (Rev. 14:12). Their obedience includes keeping the seventh day holy because they heed the call to “worship Him who made heaven and earth, the sea and springs of water” (Rev. 14:7; see Exod. 20:11). These will receive the seal of God (Rev. 7:4; 14:1) while those who reject this call and reverence Sunday, the mark of the beast’s authority, are described as part of Babylon and receive the mark of the beast (Rev. 14:8-11). The final test, then, is over true or false worship based either on obedience to God’s law, including the Sabbath, or a man-made day of worship, Sunday. - Seventh Day Adventist Church Executive Committee
​

Forgive me for conflating “the mark of the beast” with eternal damnation for worshiping God on Sunday. I was curious how so “legalistic” a denomination handled an obvious conflict and was called “Pharisaical” for asking such a question (obviously SDA Dairy Farmers violate the Sabbath, just do good). While I am accused of accepting the “mark of the beast” for believing that Jesus rose on Sunday, John had his vision on Sunday and the early saints gathered together on Sunday, so I sing praises to God on Sunday.

I had hoped for a more well thought out answer on an important Sabbath question. (Many people MUST work on Saturday … Firemen cannot allow buildings to burn, Police cannot allow crimes to occur, Nurses cannot allow people to die … because it is the Sabbath).

I leave you to your worship and demonizing of my worship.
Sorry for disturbing the peace.

 

[Cassandra]

Historically, the attempt to change the day of worship has been perpetrated by the papacy of Rome which reveres Sunday as the day of rest instead of Saturday, the biblical Sabbath. The fact that the second beast in Revelation 13, representing the United States of America, exercises the same authority as the first beast (Rev. 13:12) and cooperates with the first beast to enforce false worship shows that Sunday will be an important distinguishing mark of those who worship the beast and his image in contrast to God’s remnant people who “keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus” (Rev. 14:12). Their obedience includes keeping the seventh day holy because they heed the call to “worship Him who made heaven and earth, the sea and springs of water” (Rev. 14:7; see Exod. 20:11). These will receive the seal of God (Rev. 7:4; 14:1) while those who reject this call and reverence Sunday, the mark of the beast’s authority, are described as part of Babylon and receive the mark of the beast (Rev. 14:8-11). The final test, then, is over true or false worship based either on obedience to God’s law, including the Sabbath, or a man-made day of worship, Sunday. - Seventh Day Adventist Church Executive Committee
​

Forgive me for conflating “the mark of the beast” with eternal damnation for worshiping God on Sunday. I was curious how so “legalistic” a denomination handled an obvious conflict and was called “Pharisaical” for asking such a question (obviously SDA Dairy Farmers violate the Sabbath, just do good). While I am accused of accepting the “mark of the beast” for believing that Jesus rose on Sunday, John had his vision on Sunday and the early saints gathered together on Sunday, so I sing praises to God on Sunday.

I had hoped for a more well thought out answer on an important Sabbath question. (Many people MUST work on Saturday … Firemen cannot allow buildings to burn, Police cannot allow crimes to occur, Nurses cannot allow people to die … because it is the Sabbath).

.

You already knew the answer to the OP question when you asked it. No one needed to explain anything. And no one demonized your worship. You are just spouting.

 

[atpollard]

You already knew the answer to the OP question when you asked it. No one needed to explain anything.

Romans 14:5-6 … I knew the answer for someone that regards every day alike (like me) and was asking for the answer of someone that regards one day above another (like the SDA).

And no one demonized your worship.

(No one demonized my worship on THIS topic. Visit any topic on the Sabbath and see what your fellow Sabbatarians post. It would appear that their bible does not have Romans 14:5-6 in it.)

You are just spouting.

I posted the OP to probe the depths of the water. (Ie. “Have you really thought about your beliefs?”)
I responded “tit-for-tat”, so if you found the conversation “ugly” then you will need to own your part in making it so.

 

[quietthinker]

SDA question
Don't drink milk, you might incriminate a dairy farmer!
Don't go to hospital...all those babylonians running around so you can have clean sheets and meals on Saturday!
Leave the donkey in the pit he falls into.....the cost of getting heavy lifting equipment on the weekend will blow the budget!
If grandmother trips over a stack of KJV's and breaks her leg.....just put ice on it till Sunday

 

[farouk]

Romans 14:5-6 … I knew the answer for someone that regards every day alike (like me) and was asking for the answer of someone that regards one day above another (like the SDA).

Hi @atpollard Good point about Romans 14.

It's when ppl start making day observance a rule for others that it becomes problematic.

 

[farouk]

What happens to a SDA Dairy Farmer?
Cows need to be milked EVERY day and that is clearly your "work".

Well, good point, I guess...

 

[farouk]

Romans 14:5-6 … I knew the answer for someone that regards every day alike (like me) and was asking for the answer of someone that regards one day above another (like the SDA).


(No one demonized my worship on THIS topic. Visit any topic on the Sabbath and see what your fellow Sabbatarians post. It would appear that their bible does not have Romans 14:5-6 in it.)


I posted the OP to probe the depths of the water. (Ie. “Have you really thought about your beliefs?”)
I responded “tit-for-tat”, so if you found the conversation “ugly” then you will need to own your part in making it so.

Searching chapter, Romans 14....

 

[Brakelite]

What happens to a SDA Dairy Farmer?
Cows need to be milked EVERY day and that is clearly your "work".

I am a Seventh Day Adventist. I spent 14 years working on dairy farms. Obviously you never have or you wouldn't need to ask the question. I was assistant manager, the owner was the only other worker on the farm. He was a Sunday observing Christian. On week-ends we milked early and finished early so each of us could attend church later in the morning. My local country church even began later to accommodate those farmers who would arrive later.
Have you ever seen the cow's udder if not milked for a day? Have you ever seen a cow's milk riddled with pus and infection as a result of mastitis? Have you ever had to bury a cow and calf because you took the day off and ignored their plight in birthing? Have you ever permitted a cow to remain stuck in a swamp because it was Sunday and you "Had" to go to church, then climb on your tractor after dark that night to pull the cow out...if she hadn't drowned? Have you ever repaired the fences the next day because you didn't want to 'work' by feeding them and opening the gate into the next paddock?
Have you ever posted anything concerning SDAs that wasn't designed simply to earn points and expand your ego?

 

[theefaith]

A better question know that the true is universal and founded by Christ 2000 years ago on Peter and the apostles why do men a heretical sect started 1700 years later could be the one true church???

 

[Enoch111]

A better question know that the true is universal and founded by Christ 2000 years ago on Peter and the apostles why do men a heretical sect started 1700 years later could be the one true church???

You mean the one false church? Peter would laugh at your belief.

 

[Enoch111]

I am very sorry that someone told you you were going to hell for going to church on Sunday. If you think that an Adventist would say you were going to hell, you weren't talking to an Adventist. Adventists believe that death is a sleep. We will not be raised until Christ returns. Adventists believe hell is the grave.

Who other than the SDA church promoted the idea that Sunday worship = taking the Mark of the Beast (which implies eternal damnation)?

Do you not know your own church's teachings? And then to promote the false doctrine of Soul Sleep just adds insult to injury. All those who are in Christ go to be with Him in Heaven the moment they die. And everyone in Heaven is very much awake and alive.

Then we have the false notion of Investigative Judgment, and the idea that the Jewish Sabbath is still applicable to Christians. There are just too many errors being taught by your church, and it all goes back to Ellen G. White, and before her the Millerites.

 

[theefaith]

You mean the one false church? Peter would laugh at your belief.

so Christ did not found a church?

 

[mailmandan]

Who other than the SDA church promoted the idea that Sunday worship = taking the Mark of the Beast (which implies eternal damnation)?

Do you not know your own church's teachings? And then to promote the false doctrine of Soul Sleep just adds insult to injury. All those who are in Christ go to be with Him in Heaven the moment they die. And everyone in Heaven is very much awake and alive.

Then we have the false notion of Investigative Judgment, and the idea that the Jewish Sabbath is still applicable to Christians. There are just too many errors being taught by your church, and it all goes back to Ellen G. White, and before her the Millerites.

I almost fell out of my chair in a state of shock the first time I read that Seventh-day Adventists teach that the near the end of time the "mark of the best" of Revelation 14 will be placed upon those who worship on Sunday instead of Saturday.

Mark of the Beast
The Truth about the Seventh-day Adventist Church

 

[theefaith]

God establishes order in obedience to hierarchical jurisdictional authority of the fathers, (sorry EGW) not women!

Jesus Christ continues HIS ministry in His new covenant church thru Peter, the apostles, and their successors with the same mission, power, and authority!
Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Matt 18:17 acts 1:8 Acts 1:17 acts 8:31 & 35 acts 9:4 Lk 10:16 Jn 8:32 Jn 13:20 Jn 15:5 Jn 16:13 Jn 20:21-22 eph 2:20 acts 2:42 1 Tim 3:15

Peter, the apostles and their successors have the same authority, power, and mission as Christ! Jn 20:21 as my father sent me, even so send I you!



1 Corinthians 16:22
If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema Maranatha.

This extends to the truth and to the church founded by Christ to teach all
men!

Cos Jesus Christ is the truth and cos His church is of divine origin, commissioned to teach the truth!

Christians must be taught and that requires humility! Lk 1:4 matt 28:19-20 matt 16:18-19 & 18:18 acts 2:42 acts 8:31

Teaching authority of the Apostles and their successors founded in the one true church by Jesus Christ!

Jesus Christ is the head of the church, (eph 5:23) the body of Christ,
(col 1:18) the new and eternal covenant, (pre-figured Jer 31:31) (Heb 8:8) new covenant replaces the Mosaic covenant, (Heb 8:13) holy mother church replaced Israel Matthew 21:43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
Christ replaces David as king, (Lk 1:32-33) Jesus Christ is the only mediator between God and men, (1 Tim 2:5 & Heb 12:24) but a mediator remains on earth mediating between God and His people, but Christ ascended to heaven, (acts 1) before He did He founded His church, on Peter, and the apostles, and their successors!
Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Acts 1:17 acts 2:42 acts 8:31 & 35 Lk 10:16 Jn 8:32 Jn 13:20 Jn 16:13
Jn 20:21-22 eph 2:20

Jesus Christ continues HIS ministry in His new covenant church thru Peter, the apostles, and their successors with the same mission, power, and authority!
Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Acts 1:17 acts 8:31 & 35 acts 9:4 Lk 10:16 Jn 8:32 Jn 13:20 Jn 15:5 Jn 16:13 Jn 20:21-22 eph 2:20 acts 2:42 1 Tim 3:15

Authority of the Apostles!

What authority does Christ have?
What power does Christ have?
What mission / ministry does Christ have?

Peter, the apostles and their successors have the same authority, power, and mission!

Jn 20:21 as my father sent me, even so send I you!

John 17:18
As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.

The apostles are Christ’s successors!
They have authority to send others as well until Christ returns in glory!

apostle means one who is sent!

Therefore the apostles have authority to send more apostles or successors!

Apostolic succession!

The nations still need to be taught, disciples still need to be baptized and the church the new covenant kingdom of christ still needs to be governed!

Hebrews 3:1
Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus;

Christ is an apostle, and has authority to send other apostles, the apostles also have this authority, so the apostles continue down thru the centuries as Christ promised! Matt 28:19-20

Keys of authority! And power to bind and loose! Matt 16:18 and Matt 18:18 matt 28:19 Isa 22:21-22

Moral authority:
(Teaching)
Necessity of being taught by Christ:
Two edge sword: defining truth and condemning errors, and Interpreting scripture.

Jurisdictional authority:
(Governing / administering)
Necessity of Peter and the apostles and their successors to govern the holy church.

Spiritual authority:
(Life of Grace)
Sanctifying thru the mass and Sacraments for the forgiveness of sin.


The apostles teaching is Christ’s teaching, Christ and His church are one! Acts 9:4

Christian rule of faith is not the Bible alone! But the doctrine of the apostles! Acts 2:42

Jesus Christ continues HIS ministry in His new covenant church thru Peter, the apostles, and their successors with the same mission, power, and authority!
Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Acts 1:17 acts 8:31 & 35 Lk 10:16 Jn 8:32 Jn 13:20 Jn 15:5 Jn 16:13 Jn 20:21-22 eph 2:20


The teaching of Peter and the apostles and successors is the teaching of Christ!

Authority in what they teach and not in a person in an office!

Jesus is not our salvation: only what He taught?

Lk 2:30 Matt 16:16 Jesus in His person is our salvation, not only in what He taught!
Matt 16:13 not what do people say about what I teach, but whom do people say the I am!

The teaching of the successors of Moses not their person?

The successors of Moses sit in the seat of Moses Matt 23:1

Peters confession not Peters person? Matt 16:18

You give the keys to a person not to a confession!

Acts 1:26 they choose Mathias not the teaching of Mathias!

Lk 10:16
He who hears you hears me...

John 13:20
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me; and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.

What authority does Christ have?
What power does Christ have?
What mission / ministry does Christ have?

Peter, the apostles and their successors have the same authority, power, and mission as Christ! Jn 20:21 as my father sent me, even so send I you!

We must be taught by Peter, the apostles, and their successors! Lk 10:16 Matt 28:19 Jn 21:17 Jn 16:13 acts 2:42

Matt 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

Lk 1:4 That thou mightest know the certainty of those things, wherein thou hast been instructed.

Acts 8:30 And Philip ran thither to him, and heard him read the prophet Esaias, and said, Understandest thou what thou readest?

31 And he said, How can I, except some man should guide me? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him.

Col 2:7 Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving.

Matthew 18:17
And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.

It is a thing unthinkable! To refuse to hear the church is to refuse to hear Christ!
Christ and His church are one. Acts 9:4

Spiritual Fathers have care for our souls!

Acts 20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

Jn 21:17 feed my sheep:

Heb 13:7 Remember them which have the rule over you, who have spoken unto you the word of God: whose faith follow, considering the end of their conversation.

Heb 13:17 Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they care for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you.

1 Tim 1:2 Unto Timothy, my own son in the faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God our Father and Jesus Christ our Lord.

Gal 4:19 My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you

1 John 2
My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not.

That makes Paul and John spiritual fathers, pastors of our souls!

Obedience of the faithful Christians or spiritual anarchy of the heretical fundamentalists!