Should A Wife Submit When Her Husband Isn't Godly?

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Collection of advice, articles, and resources for wives with unGodly husbands.

I want to find even resources for situations beyond my experience and ability to help --- when to call the police, expert help with abuse, etc. Those major issues are beyond me as an individual.
 

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How To Know If You Are Submitting In God's Strength or Your Own

"We may be very discouraged because our husband isn’t changing and isn’t loving us the way we want to be loved. If I am doing this in my own power, my goal is probably to get my husband to change, not to allow God to radically change me. My goal may be to manipulate my husband rather than to fully submit myself to Christ."
 
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Submitting to one's husband does not mean being a doormat, to be walkedover.
It means expressing ones views, arguing ones case, expecting a reasonable and rational response from one's husband.

It also means pointing out that he carries the can for bad decisions, when he didn't listen to a wife's wisdom.
 

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“Abuse” is subjective…from words spoken…
In jest, in times of seemingly having a comfortable time of husband and wife, in times of disagreements over little things…and bigger more serious topics.

One tip toeing to check their concern and care for others (even strangers) to not instigate “a supposed reasoning” for the other to go off the rails in jealously…is a (IMO) all to common factor in one partner’s low self esteem.

When one assumes the “credit” for establishing the “rules” (so to speak)…it becomes a tit for tat, control factor.
WHEN a common ground has NOT been agreed upon…the Word of God should be the Common Ground…and the credit of His word, be given unto God….not one partner or the other.

The biggest issue (IMO)…is the failure of men and women to establish they being on the same page………BEFORE marriage.

The LOOKS, the MONEY, the ASSETS, the ENJOYING a funny quick wittiness, the STRENGTH, the CLOUT…..etc. upon which individuals select a partner….CAN ALL DISSIPATE at any time…

IMO…marriage success IS two being adjoined by being on the same page…IN CHRIST.

Glory to God,
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Submitting to one's husband does not mean being a doormat, to be walkedover.
It means expressing ones views, arguing ones case, expecting a reasonable and rational response from one's husband.
I agree. Just being silent and robotic is not helpful. You don't want to sacrifice your contribution to just act like a limp ragdoll, even as you try to be respectful.
 

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A Wife's Beautiful Response To Her Husband's drug addiction

"But as someone going through an extreme situation, I’d like to say God’s Word and commands for us as wives still apply (maybe in a slightly different form, but they still apply), and your posts are still an incredible blessing!

My husband and I have only been married a year and 6 months, and it’s been quite the whirlwind. Early on in our marriage my husband relapsed into an old drug addiction."
 
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In the early years of my marriage, my husband was a new Christian with some very bad behaviour patterns. However, my responses to this, I think I'll always regret to some degree.

My responses and willingness to separate for months at a time revealed how I wasn't fully invested in the marriage, in my husband. I had conflicting interests and thought this lack of investment would keep me from being taken advantage of.

Instead, it just made our issues as a couple worse.

God's commands lead to blessings, whether our husband's change or not. We are only responsibilities for our own actions within our own control on the day of judgement.

Had I fully understood this from day one of our marriage, I believe we'd see the blessings we have now a bit sooner.
 

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A point to consider:

A wife's submission to her husband is based on the worthiness of Christ, not her husband's actions.

Wives submit because they are trusting God to ultimately be in control through the husband's leadership. This can be trusted even when the husband is not a believer because God is still in control and it is His plan that wives be submissive.

To submit is to trust the Lord. If a wife can't trust God in all His commands, including the one that says submit, she will succomb to fear and the desire to be in control which is not trusting Christ.
 
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A point to consider:

A wife's submission to her husband is based on the worthiness of Christ, not her husband's actions.

Wives submit because they are trusting God to ultimately be in control through the husband's leadership. This can be trusted even when the husband is not a believer because God is still in control and it is His plan that wives be submissive.

To submit is to trust the Lord. If a wife can't trust God in all His commands, including the one that says submit, she will succomb to fear and the desire to be in control which is not trusting Christ.
I agree with this in large part. But many women (SRA/MK victims) have to walk a much more complicated path concerning their husband who is not only an unbeliever, but their handler who forces them to endure horrible traumas (tortures, rapes), or to be taken to satanic rituals where unspeakable evils take place (including human/infant sacrifice). In this case, it is literally a choice between good and evil ...God or satan. These women may need to pray and honor their husbands from a distance, separating themselves physically from the presence of their husband. They may even have to divorce their spouse so as not to be in covenant with someone devoted to Antichrist/Beast system and to protect themselves and their children from being used in rituals. Some of these husbands are profession Christians while secretly/covertly practicing satanism/luciferianism.

I don't want to divert the subject, but I wanted to insert this for the sake of women SRA/MK survivors struggling over what to do concerning their husbands while still honoring God. Pray for their programming to collapse and that they will be faced with the truth so they can see to choose for themselves which way to go. But while you pray for him, ask God to show you what steps to take, and boundaries you need to put in place.
 
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How To Know If You Are Submitting In God's Strength or Your Own

"We may be very discouraged because our husband isn’t changing and isn’t loving us the way we want to be loved. If I am doing this in my own power, my goal is probably to get my husband to change, not to allow God to radically change me. My goal may be to manipulate my husband rather than to fully submit myself to Christ."
I like that......where did you get that quote
 
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1Cor 11:3 . . But I would have you know, that the head of every man is
Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is
God.

It never seems to fail that somebody will actually attempt to refute Paul's
statement by quoting another of his own statements.

"You are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus, for all of you who were
baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. There is neither Jew
nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ
Jesus." (Gal 3:26-28)

(chuckle) Paul pitted against Paul; the clash of the titans, only in this event,
both titans are one and the same titan. Yes, both genders are one in Christ;
but then Jesus and God are one also, yet there is a hierarchy in the Divinity
because "the head of Christ is God"

NOTE: Beware becoming militant about this because it's neither a gender
issue, an intelligence issue, a competency issue, a strength issue, or a
maturity issue. This particular arrangement is based solely upon seniority.
(Gen 2:21-22, Gen 3:16, & 1Tim 2:13)
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Eph 5:22 . .Wives, submit to your husbands as to The Lord.

In other words: it's not the husband himself who merits his wife's best
behavior, rather, it's his position in the sphere of human life. For example:

"To the woman he said: Your husband . . he will rule over you." (Gen 3:16)

Adam is ranked superior to Eve not because of his gender, rather, because
he's the senior of the two, i.e. Adam was created first, and afterwards the
woman was constructed with material taken from his body; thus all men,
including Christ, are entitled to seniority relative to women simply by virtue
of the fact that Adam is the paterfamilias of all women, beginning with Eve,
regardless of age race, color, culture, and/or religious preference.

The Greek word for "submit" shouldn't be taken to mean wives are supposed
to take orders from their husbands as if marriage were an arrangement
similar to a monarch and a commoner. What we're talking about here is
deference rather than obedience. An attitude of deference is mandatory for
Christians on both sides of the gender aisle-- both men and women.

Deference is agreeable, approachable, tactful, and diplomatic. Deference
isn't confrontational, demanding, assertive, militant, dominating, nor always
clamoring: I am woman! Hear me roar!

In a nutshell: deference is just the opposite of defiance. Christian wives
striving for equality with their men have not yet learned what it means to
associate with a husband as they would Christ.
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I once reminded a church board member that my wife is commanded to submit to me, not him. To him, she ranks as an equal. I hesitate to use the word 'equal' since even in the husband-wife relationship, we are equal in Christ. It's simply that there can only be one head, and God has pointed the husband to be that and commanded the husband to treat his wife as a precious gift from God (which He continues to watch over).
 
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1Cor 11:3 . . But I would have you know, that the head of every man is
Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is
God.

It never seems to fail that somebody will actually attempt to refute Paul's
statement by quoting another of his own statements.

"You are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus, for all of you who were
baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. There is neither Jew
nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ
Jesus." (Gal 3:26-28)

(chuckle) Paul pitted against Paul; the clash of the titans, only in this event,
both titans are one and the same titan. Yes, both genders are one in Christ;
but then Jesus and God are one also, yet there is a hierarchy in the Divinity
because "the head of Christ is God"

NOTE: Beware becoming militant about this because it's neither a gender
issue, an intelligence issue, a competency issue, a strength issue, or a
maturity issue. This particular arrangement is based solely upon seniority.
(Gen 2:21-22, Gen 3:16, & 1Tim 2:13)
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1 Corinthians 7:16 For what knowest thou, O wife, whether thou shalt save thy husband? or how knowest thou, O man, whether thou shalt save thy wife?

So yes unless a husband is a real abusive unrelenting cheating jerk and it would really put the wife at risk to even remain at all with her husband then yes she should still submit to him. Because it is her godly actions that might eventually save him
 
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1 Corinthians 7:16 For what knowest thou, O wife, whether thou shalt save thy husband? or how knowest thou, O man, whether thou shalt save thy wife?

So yes unless a husband is a real abusive unrelenting cheating jerk and it would really put the wife at risk to even remain at all with her husband then yes she should still submit to him. Because it is her godly actions that might eventually save him
I think God intended an interplay between the roles of husband and wife, with the wife constantly placing herself under the husband's authority while the husband, wanting to love his wife as if she were him, constantly lifts her to walk beside him. When the wife stops submitting or the husband stops lifting, we get dissension—joy leaves the relationship.
Think of the employee who has gained the employer's trust such that he is given great freedom in matters on the job. I read that in the Proverbs 31 wife. An employee who seeks to usurp a supervisor's authority is strictly supervised.
Wives are not weaker vessels; I think the intent was that husbands treat them as the precious and delicate treasures that they are.
 
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