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Speaking In Tongues

Discussion in 'Christian Theology Forum' started by iakwe2002, Jul 27, 2007.

  1. jodycour

    jodycour New Member

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    The unknown Tongues is a powerful weopon against satan because he can't understand this language either!So when we pray in an unknown tongue we are praying to God in his secret language!I also argued against the speaking of unknown tongues for several years after I got saved, I thought it was foolishness also, until it happened to me!I'm so glad that I recieved my prayer language because it gives me power against the enemy!When I recieved the infilling of the HolyGhost it was like putting Power Boosters in my regular christian walk.Look at how drastic a difference this gift made to the disciples!After Jesus raised from the dead, they hid and there is no record that they got anyone saved. But after they were filled with the HolyGhost 3000 men where imediately added into the kingdom of God!Also, in Acts 10:45-48There is no record here that they spoke in a foriegn language!Why would there be a need for them too?In Acts 19:1-6Here Paul ran across some believers and asked them if they had recieved the HolyGhost yet. They hadn't and Paul laid hands on them and they recieved it with the evidents of Speaking in tongues.Why would there any need for them to speak in another language here?This theory that you have about the unknown tongue to be a foriegn language is just a very foolish lie.This is a gift of God that you need today!If Paul thought that this gift was that important I think that we should too!
     
  2. Jordan

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    There is no record here that they spoke in a foriegn language!Why would there be a need for them too?...they recieved it with the evidents of Speaking in tongues.Why would there any need for them to speak in another language here?This theory that you have about the unknown tongue to be a foriegn language is just a very foolish lie.
    I'll document that there were records of people speaking other (foreign) language(s).Acts 2:4 - And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.Acts 2:10 - Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God.Now while this...if you speak english, people will hear you speaking in their own language (people that also speak english) (Greek to Greek, Hebrew to Hebrew)Acts 2:6 - Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language.Lovest thou in Christ Jesus (Yahshua) our Lord and Saviour.
     
  3. Joyful

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    The unknown Tongues is a powerful weopon against satan because he can't understand this language either!So when we pray in an unknown tongue we are praying to God in his secret language!
    Jesus' servants don't have to know unknown language to communicate with God. Satan cannot stop anything if it is God's will. You are giving satan way too much credit.
     
  4. jodycour

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    thesuperjag,There is only one place in the bible that it says that they heard them speaking in they're own language.In all the other places that I mentioned earlier there is no record here that they were speaking in foriegn languages, or where there any need for them to be doing so!No they were speaking in an unknown tongue as evidence that they recieved the HolyGhost!Faithful1,I don't give satan any credit!But he can hear what we say and he does have power here on the earth to do some things!I don't know any other reason why God would use our spiritual language to pray for, but it definately states in I Corth.14:2 that we speak mysteries!Do with what you want to with it but it is there! or do you want to take it out of the bible also?It's funny how many on this site say that they want to find the truth and dig and study the Hebrew and the Greek but when it comes to this gift of unknown tongues, because they have not experienced it themselves they try to make up things that don't exist just to try to disprove it because it doesn't make logical sense to them!God's ways are not always very logical! Matter of fact alot of His ways are not logical to human reasoning!
     
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    Jody, are you kidding, God's Words are very crystal clear, if we let go of everything and just let Him do the speaking. What is everything you ask? Letting go of pride...to stay humbled.
     
  6. jodycour

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    Proverbs 14:12There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.The Word of God also tells us that His ways are highier than our ways!This what I mean by the fact that some times God doesn't make sense.The kingdom of God is exactly opposite of the kingdom of this world!Is this all that you have to say, concerning this wonderful gift of speaking in other tongues?What about the scripture I mentioned earlier in I Corth.14:2?
     
  7. Joyful

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    Cody,When Paul is talking about tongues, it is mostly in negative ways. And you are dismissing Paul's bilingual talents.
     
  8. Christina

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    Proverbs 14:12There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.The Word of God also tells us that His ways are highier than our ways!This what I mean by the fact that some times God doesn't make sense.The kingdom of God is exactly opposite of the kingdom of this world!Is this all that you have to say, concerning this wonderful gift of speaking in other tongues?What about the scripture I mentioned earlier in I Corth.14:2?
    There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, this is exactly what you are doing you are following man if you were following God you would not speak this in chruch (more than 2 or 3 without and interpeter)God makes perfect sense you are not following him you keep quotiung Cor 14:2 but you ignore the whole rest of the chapter and the instuctions God gave. Thats like showing up for work cause your boss told you to and then not doing what you are told once you get there and keep saying I showed up. You are only paying attention to one piece of whats being said.
     
  9. Christina

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    Jody I know Ive told you these things many times before but heres a study from another sight that might say something I haven't communicated clearly enough for your understaning...............Paul stated in I Cor. 14, "For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints." In that Chapter you'll find the proper instructions to the Church for conducting service, which is teaching The Word of God. Anything that disrupts the teaching of God's Word in Church is not to be allowed. I Timothy also gives instructions for Church doctrine and conducting behavior in the Church. The common sense of the matter is similar to when we were in school, if another kid in class started doing something which disrupted the other students from learning, even including provocative dress by the females in the class causing distraction, then the teacher would take control, which also the authority of a Pastor teaching in Church has, as given by God. There is a deeper message which you may or may not receive, as long as you know that I am trying to help, but if you have doubts about what I'm going to say, then I challenge you to dig in The Word for yourself, and make your own decision. My position on the 'unknown tongue', of which I have several friends who do speak in this 'unknown tongue', I do not, is according to God's Word in Acts 2. It is written there in Acts that the ‘cloven tongue' spoken on that Pentecost day was known languages of the world, going out in all directions, and every man heard in their own language, and even 'dialect' from the country in which they were born. This is not the same 'tongue' which my other Christian friends speak, because none that I've been around can understand when it is spoken. Therefore, until everyone present understands those of today who speak in an 'unknown tongue', in their own language and even in their dialect of birth (English, Spanish, etc.), then, it is not the true tongue the Apostles spoke on Pentecost day, according to Acts 2 (see the Tongues study). Further, the word 'unknown' in I Cor.14 in the KJV was added by the KJV translators. It is not in the original Greek Manuscripts. That word 'tongue' there is 'glossa' in the Greek, meaning "a language, one naturaly unaquired" (Strong's no. 1100).Paul was teaching there in I Cor. 14 about how to conduct the edifying of God's Church making prophesying (teaching) the most important function during Church service. Even the true meaning of the word ‘prophesy’ has been twisted by those who speak an unrecognizable ‘unknown tongue’. To ‘prophesy’ means to ‘teach’ with words of understanding. Since Paul was a Hebrew Biblical scholar, previously being a Pharisee, and trained under one the greatest Hebrew Biblical scholars of his day named Gamliel, naturally then, Paul spoke other 'tongues', such as Hebrew, Aramaic, and of course Greek. The following verses point out 'languages' as being the whole matter, not the 'unknown tongue' which few can understand. 1 Cor 14:9 So likewise ye, except ye utter by the tongue words easy to be understood, how shall it be known what is spoken? for ye shall speak into the air. 1 Cor 14:15 What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also. 1 Cor 14:19 Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue. 1 Cor 14:26 How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying. 1 Cor 14:33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.(KJV)FINALLY: If the 'unknown tongue' is a 'sign' for those who will speak with God's Holy Spirit against Satan's New World Order Religious organization,now in the final process of being set up in the world as I speak, then all that hear that 'tongue' must be able to understand in their own dialect of the country's language where they are from.(This is when the unforgivable sin can be comitted) That has not happened yet. So I'm not judging you, nor any man, as I don't have that authority or right. As I stated before, it is amazing that some friends who do speak in this 'unknown tongue' also believe they are going to 'fly away' with the first Messiah, which will be Satan playing the role he has always coveted by his pride, the role of the Savior of the world. There is only One Son of God and His Name is 'Immanuel in the Hebrew meaning "God with us", Wonderful, Counsellor, The Mighty God' (Isaiah 8:8 and Isaiah 9:6) 'Jesus Christ' (Christos meaning 'Anointed, Messiah'), Iesous in the Greek, Yashua in the Hebrew meaning "Jehovah is salvation".
     
  10. daniel2macarius

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    all the thing that i have read about tounges above are in my opinion right and truth. There are guidlines the Holy Bible sets out for the using of this gift they are:Firstly not all have this gift 12:30 Do all have gifts of healings? Do all speak with tongues? Do all interpret?(1 Cor 12:30)secondly the language of angels is a discernable language as when ever an angel spoke in the Bible the hearer understood him13:1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I have become sounding brass or a clanging cymbal.(1 Cor 13:1)thirdly tongues is a sign for unbelivers14:22 Therefore tongues are for a sign, not to those who believe but to unbelievers; but prophesying is not for unbelievers but for those who believe.(1 Cor 14:22)forthly let two or three at the most speak and all in there turn and if there is no one to interpret they are to keep silent14:27 If anyone speaks in a tongue, let there be two or at the most three, each in turn, and let one interpret.14:28 But if there is no interpreter, let him keep silent in church, and let him speak to himself and to God.(1 Cor 14:27-28)hope this helps as above has God Blessdaniel2macarius www.ourchurch.com/member/t/Truth4Today/
     
  11. Christina

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    Cor149So likewise ye, except ye utter by the tongue words easy to be understood, how shall it be known what is spoken? for ye shall speak into the air. 10There are, it may be, so many kinds of voices in the world, and none of them is without signification. 11Therefore if I know not the meaning of the voice, I shall be unto him that speaketh a barbarian, and he that speaketh shall be a barbarian unto me. 12Even so ye, forasmuch as ye are zealous of spiritual gifts, seek that ye may excel to the edifying of the church. What edifys the church Prophesy NOT TOUNGUES(it edifys self)13Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret. (interpret is prophecy)14For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful. 19Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue. 20Brethren, be not children in understanding: howbeit in malice be ye children, but in understanding be men. 22Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe. (ONLY IF THEY UNDERSTAND IT )OTHERWISE IT IS WORTHLESS just as in Acts it was the understanding what was being said in there own language that made them believe not some babble they didnt not understand.23If therefore the whole church be come together into one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in those that are unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad? How does this futher Gods cause people think you are Mad?24But if all prophesy, and there come in one that believeth not, or one unlearned, he is convinced of all, he is judged of all: If you put this all in context it says preaching in tongues is nothing without understanding of what is being said it is prophesizing that convinces the unbeliever not tongues as you are thought to be a barbarian
     
  12. ryangrom

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    I think you guys are right on the speaking in tongues in a church setting. The bible makes it very clear about the place of tongues in the church setting. However, all that doesnt mean that tongues arent a personal prayer language to be used by yourself. Praying in tongues does edify yourself. It is seen as evidence of being baptised in the Holy spirit by the laying on of hands. There are many verses that show this and they have already been given. It's like this in my opinion and from my experience: sometimes we don't know exactly what to pray for when praying for ourselves or for others.. our prayer language is the Holy spirit praying through us and for us because he knows exactly what we should pray for. Whether or not i am speaking in a tongue on earth or not is an interesting topic but, a moot point in my opinion. God gave us many verses showing that the laying on of hands to recieve the holy spirit with evidence of speaking in tongues was practiced. Why would he do this if he didnt want us to do it today. Note how all of the people who recieved the Holy Spirit "baptism" in this way were already saved. Consider how things drastically changed for christians for the better after the Holy Spirit had been given on the day of pentecost. The epistles simply correct the misuse of this gift in the church setting. The verse that says does everyone "have the gifts of tongues? no" I have heard was talking about this gift to be used in the church setting and a seperate thing from a personal prayer language that was outlined in quite a few verses prior. Thats just my experience and my opinion. I speak in tongues and agree wholeheartedly in what Jody said about recieving the "baptism" of the holy spirit was like adding turbo boosters to my chrisitan walk. I have been in a church setting where the pastor told everyone to pray in tongues.. i think that is wrong and scares unbelievers away. However, I must say that I can discern who is just speaking gibberish to not look unspiritual and who was actually speaking in tongues. I know i just made myself appear way out in left feild by this post. Like I said, this is my opinion from my personal experience. And i do believe that scriputre outlines the recieving of your prayer language as evidence of the "baptism" of the holy spirit by the laying on of hands for those who are already saved.
     
  13. Christina

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    There is no rule about not using this for your own praying.Its acceptable I dont think God cares I think he would rather you know what you are saying to him. But each to his own. I am only interested in what scripture says about using this in church setting. And it says not to do it (without an interpreter) I think there is good reason behind this. I think Satan and his angels can mimic this and find his way into your church through the weak of faith and how good is a church that Satan has entered? and charlatans can fake it to mislead the sheep.Which displeasess God. Either way why would you risk it its against the Word of God.
     
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    you made a good point kriss with God wanting us to know what we are saying to him. i dont substitute regular praying with praying in tongues. God wants you to talk to him like a normal person. He wants you to listen for him like a normal person. Jesus taught us the Lord's prayer. A personal prayer language is like icing on the cake. It is a perfect prayer for whatever you are praying for because it is the Holy Spirit making intercession for you and through you( or for whoever you are interceeding for). Speaking in tongues in Church without an interpreter is just wrong. I wholeheartedly agree. It will scare unbelievers away and it will create confusion and division. I could see how if you were in a real small chuch where everyone knew everyone, and everyone had their own personal prayer language, it could be used just to join prayer on a certain topic they were praying for(as long as no unbelievers were present). But a person standing up in front of everyone just speaking in tongues without an interpreter would be counter productive even in a setting with all believers. But that is where the dividing line is in my opinion.. the difference between the gift of tongues for use in christian assembly vs. a personal prayer language.
     
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    Well said ryangrom I would for the most part agree with that.
     
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    Hello ryan, I agree with what you say about the importance & correct use of tongues and the private:meeting use distinction .. . private = "praying in the Spirit" (something all christians are told to do", and "the gift of tongues" - giving to the gathered church, 2 or 3 only, with gift of interpretation .. .(ryangrom;14542)
    . . . Jesus taught us the Lord's prayer. . . .
    Technically he taught it to people that were still under the old covenant, teaching them to pray for God's kingdom to come by them receiving the Holy Spirit. he will bring the mind of Christ and people won't need to continue to use "set prayers".
     
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    Technically he taught it to people that were still under the old covenant, teaching them to pray for God's kingdom to come by them receiving the Holy Spirit. he will bring the mind of Christ and people won't need to continue to use "set prayers".
    Very interesting. Every time I've read the Lord's Prayer, I've always wondered about it but never looked into it very deeply. I've always had the feeling that he didn't want us to literally repeat that same prayer like I have heard some chruches do. I took it as having some key points in the prayer we should pray for. hmmm... I suspect you are right though. That makes sense to me. Thanks for the info [​IMG] God bless.
     
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    Hello ryan, I agree with what you say about the importance & correct use of tongues and the private:meeting use distinction .. . private = "praying in the Spirit" (something all christians are told to do", and "the gift of tongues" - giving to the gathered church, 2 or 3 only, with gift of interpretation .. .Technically he taught it to people that were still under the old covenant, teaching them to pray for God's kingdom to come by them receiving the Holy Spirit. he will bring the mind of Christ and people won't need to continue to use "set prayers".
    Im not sure I agree with your statement yes he taught them to pray for the kingdom to come But where does it say this is what they were praying for: them receiving the Holy Spirit. Unless I am misunderstanding something here in your statement I do not agree his kingdom has not come yet and will not till after his second cominghe will come as KING of KINGS setting up his kingdom on earth this is what this prayer is about. Thats why its a set prayer it has not been fulfilled.
     
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    he will come as KING of KINGS setting up his kingdom on earth this is what this prayer is about. Thats why its a set prayer it has not been fulfilled.
    That's right Chris,It will be fulfilled when Jesus comes back.
     
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    Im not sure I agree with your statement yes he taught them to pray for the kingdom to come But where does it say this is what they were praying for: them receiving the Holy Spirit.
    Except a man be born again (from above, of the Holy Spirit) he cannot see (understand) or enter the kingdom (John 3).The Spirit was not yet given (John 7:37-39), so Jesus was not yet in them (John 14:17), but would be when they received the Spirit (Acts 2:4)When Jesus is in you, the Kingdom has come to you!Sure, the kingdom is not yet set up on earth, but it will be .. . to be a part of it you need to have received the infilling of God's Spirit, speaking in tongues, and be living the new life."The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you."(Luke 17:20-21)Col:1:12: Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light::13: Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son
     
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