THE APOSTLES DID NOT ALL PREACH THE SAME GOSPEL

[Verily]

The Lord appeared to them in visions according to the NT promises

Acts 9:10 And there was a certain disciple at Damascus, named Ananias; and to him said the Lord in a vision, Ananias. And he said, Behold, I am here, Lord.

Acts 9:11 And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the street which is called Straight, and enquire in the house of Judas for one called Saul, of Tarsus: for, behold, he prayeth,

Acts 9:12 And hath seen in a vision a man named Ananias coming in, and putting his hand on him, that he might receive his sight.

Acts 9:13 Then Ananias answered, Lord, I have heard by many of this man, how much evil he hath done to thy saints at Jerusalem:

Acts 9:14 And here he hath authority from the chief priests to bind all that call on thy name.

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Acts 9:17 And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house; and putting his hands on him said, Brother Saul, the Lord, even Jesus, that appeared unto thee in the way as thou camest, hath sent me, that thou mightest receive thy sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost.

 

[pepper]

Paul saw a vision

Acts 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

Acts 26:19 Whereupon, O king Agrippa, I was not disobedient unto the heavenly vision:

2 Cr 12:1 It is not expedient for me doubtless to glory. I will come to visions and revelations of the Lord.

Except Jesus basically said don't believe anything Saul would later say came from Jesus.

To believe Saul is to believe Jesus contradicted Himself through a Pharisee.

 

[Verily]

Except Jesus basically said don't believe anything Saul would later say came from Jesus.

To believe Saul is to believe Jesus contradicted Himself through a Pharisee.

What?

 

[pepper]

What?

Try this.

Did Jesus foretell His second coming?
Yes.
Did Jesus say of that, every eye would see Him coming in the clouds? Yes.

Did Jesus say He saw Satan fall like lightening from Heaven?

Would Jesus copy Satans fall like lightening to Earth by appearing like light falling onto the Damascus road?

 

[Verily]

Try this.

Did Jesus foretell His second coming?
Yes.
Did Jesus say of that, every eye would see Him coming in the clouds? Yes.

Did Jesus say He saw Satan fall like lightening from Heaven?

Would Jesus copy Satans fall like lightening to Earth by appearing like light falling onto the Damascus road?

Oh you believe that Satan fell from heaven and anointed the apostle Paul or something?

Why not Peter?

Luke 10:18 And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.

Mat 16:23 But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.

Peter was the apostle he spoke directly to naming the name of Satan

 

[pepper]

Oh you believe that Satan fell from heaven and anointed the apostle Paul or something?

Why not Peter?

Luke 10:18 And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.

Mat 16:23 But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.

Peter was the apostle he spoke directly to naming the name of Satan

John 14:30 Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.

 

[Verily]

John 14:30 Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.

You believe Paul is the dark prince?

 

[pepper]

You believe Paul is the dark prince?

No.
I believe Jesus.

That's why I believe Paul met Lucifer on the road to Damascus.

 

[Verily]

No.
I believe Jesus.

That's why I believe Paul met Lucifer on the road to Damascus.

I believe Jesus too, but Luke records Ananias acknowledging that it was Jesus Christ who appeared to Saul before Ananias even met Saul since the Lord had appeared to him to tell him so.

Ananias entered into the house; and putting his hands on him said, Brother Saul, the Lord, even Jesus, that appeared unto thee in the way as thou camest, hath sent me, that thou mightest receive thy sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost. Acts 9:17

 

[pepper]

I believe Jesus too, but Luke records Ananias acknowledging that it was Jesus Christ who appeared to Saul before Ananias even met Saul since the Lord had appeared to him to tell him so.

Ananias entered into the house; and putting his hands on him said, Brother Saul, the Lord, even Jesus, that appeared unto thee in the way as thou camest, hath sent me, that thou mightest receive thy sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost. Acts 9:17

Satan appeared to Saul. Why would he not then appear to Ananias?

Jesus was departed. To understand,recall His words, He told His Apostle's He would send The Helper. The Holy Spirit.

What did Saul say of Satan in 2 Corinthians 11:14

Then look at Isaiah 14:12 well prior to Pauls epistle.

 

[Verily]

Satan appeared to Saul. Why would he not then appear to Ananias?

Satan appeared to Jesus in the wilderness, what is your point?

Jesus was departed. To understand,recall His words, He told His Apostle's He would send The Helper. The Holy Spirit.

What did Saul say of Satan in 2 Corinthians 11:14

Then look at Isaiah 14:12 well prior to Pauls epistle.

So, what Luke is leaving us a witness that Ananias and Paul had the Lord appear to them in a vision but it was secretly not the Lord, that there is a conspiracy between the three, or that all three are deceived, and that Peter also who called Paul a beloved brother was also deceived because Lord looked at him and called him Satan too. And now you will use Pauls own words to validate Isaiah 14:12 when your trying to prove Paul is of Satan?

 

[pepper]

Satan appeared to Jesus in the wilderness, what is your point?

So, what Luke is leaving us a witness that Ananias and Paul had the Lord appear to them in a vision but it was secretly not the Lord, that there is a conspiracy between the three, or that all three are deceived, and that Peter also who called Paul a beloved brother was also deceived because Lord looked at him and called him Satan too. And now you will use Pauls own words to validate Isaiah 14:12 when your trying to prove Paul is of Satan?

No.
Jesus proved it. He said many would come in His name claiming to be He.
We aren't to believe it.

Matthew 24:5
For many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am the Messiah,’ and will deceive many.

Mark 13:6

Many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am he,’ and will deceive many.

Luke 21:8
He (Jesus) replied: “Watch out that you are not deceived. For many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am he,’ and, ‘The time is near.’ Do not follow them.

 

[Verily]

No.
Jesus proved it. He said many would come in His name claiming to be He.
We aren't to believe it.

Matthew 24:5
For many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am the Messiah,’ and will deceive many.

Mark 13:6

Many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am he,’ and will deceive many.

Luke 21:8
He (Jesus) replied: “Watch out that you are not deceived. For many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am he,’ and, ‘The time is near.’ Do not follow them.

So you just peg that one willy nilly on Paul, "just because"?

 

[pepper]

So you just peg that one willy nilly on Paul, "just because"?

My apologies.

I thought you were a student of Scripture.

 

[Verily]

My apologies.

I thought you were a student of Scripture.

Well at least one us of thought the other might be

 

[LatterRain]

No.
Jesus proved it. He said many would come in His name claiming to be He.
We aren't to believe it.

Matthew 24:5
For many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am the Messiah,’ and will deceive many.

Mark 13:6

Many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am he,’ and will deceive many.

Luke 21:8
He (Jesus) replied: “Watch out that you are not deceived. For many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am he,’ and, ‘The time is near.’ Do not follow them.

You quote the Olivet prophecy which is found in Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke 21. …But If you’ll notice, the disciples had come to Jesus and privately inquired about Christ's coming, the signs of His coming, and the end of the world.
Matthew 24:3-14 (NKJV) 3 Now as He sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, “Tell us, when will these things be? And what [will be] the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?” 4 And Jesus answered and said to them: “Take heed that no one deceives you. 5 “For many will come in My name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will deceive many. 6 “And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not troubled; for all [these things] must come to pass, but the end is not yet. 7 “For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. And there will be famines, pestilences, and earthquakes in various places. 8 “All these [are] the beginning of sorrows. 9 “Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and kill you, and you will be hated by all nations for My name’s sake. 10 “And then many will be offended, will betray one another, and will hate one another. 11 “Then many false prophets will rise up and deceive many. 12 “And because lawlessness will abound, the love of many will grow cold. 13 “But he who endures to the end shall be saved. 14 “And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.

This prophecy, pepper, is a end-time warning to the final generation—and that’s us!

 

[LatterRain]

My apologies.

I thought you were a student of Scripture.

Sincerely, since you believe that it was Lucifer and not Jesus on that Damascus road, how do you interpret most of the New Testament, which was written by the apostle Paul?

 

[Doug]

Paul gives us the Gospel we are to believe today?
Paul's gospel by his own writing does not save him!

Romans 7
What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body that is subject to death?

25 Thanks be to God, who delivers me through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, I myself in my mind am a slave to God’s law, but in my sinful nature a slave to the law of sin.

[Rom 5:9 KJV] 9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

It saves us from wrath

 

[Doug]

I believe, brother, that there’s only one gospel. As we know, Paul was specifically chosen by God to preach the Good News of Jesus Christ. In every possible way, Paul preached in great detail the gospel message according to Jesus Christ.

Romans 1:1-6 (NKJV) 1 Paul, a bondservant of Jesus Christ, called [to be] an apostle, separated to the gospel of God 2 which He promised before through His prophets in the Holy Scriptures, 3 concerning His Son Jesus Christ our Lord, who was born of the seed of David according to the flesh, 4 [and] declared [to be] the Son of God with power according to the Spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead. 5 Through Him we have received grace and apostleship for obedience to the faith among all nations for His name, 6 among whom you also are the called of Jesus Christ.

1 Corinthians 15:1-4 (NKJV) 1 Moreover, brethren, I declare to you the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received and in which you stand, 2 by which also you are saved, if you hold fast that word which I preached to you--unless you believed in vain. 3 For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4 and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures,

There is only ONE Gospel.

As long as the one gospel you believe is Paul's it' all good

 

[Doug]

Okay--DOUG--with all these closely titled threads about the same "different gospel" theme, you're repeating yourself like a broken record. Why?

Wanted to cover all aspects....some may read a new one but the others get buried......alot of people are taught to believe the wrong gospel