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The Ark of The Covenant

Discussion in 'Christian Theology Forum' started by herald, May 23, 2007.

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    Jerusalem housed the temple, which, housed The Ark, which contained God's Covenant with man. The Ark contained the sign and the seal of God's presence upon the earth - the place where His presence and glory dwelt. The Ark was carried for decades through the wilderness, to search out a resting place. Num 10:33-35. It was overlaid with pure gold, and was called, "holy." 2 chron 35:3. It was, also, called, The Ark of the Testimony. Rev 19:10 tells us "...the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy."The Lord spoke to and communed with Moses from The Mercy Seat, atop The Ark of the Covenant. Ex 25:22; Num 7:89; 8:1.As God had instructed, Joshua told the priests to stand in the middle of the Jordan River, bearing The Ark, and the water parted. After The Ark was removed, the waters receded. Josh 4:18.At Jericho, seven priests bearing The Ark with seven trumpets, on the seventh day encompassed Jericho seven times. Jericho fell. Joshua cried out to the Lord before The Ark and God spoke to Joshua from The Ark. Josh 7:6,10.The children of Israel wept, fasted, and offered burnt and peace offerings before The Ark. Jud 20:26,27.The Lord spoke to Samuel from The Ark. 1 Sam 3:3,4.When Eli heard that The Ark was taken, he fell backward and died. 1 Sam 4:18.Phineas's wife named her child, "Ichabod," saying, "The glory is departed from Israel; for The Ark of God is taken." 1 Sam 4:19-22.The Philistines put The Ark in the house of their god, Dagon. Dagon fell before The Ark of God, his head and palms broken off. 1 Sam 5:1-5.Uzzah touched The Ark and was struck dead. 2 Sam 6:6,7.God blessed the household of Obed Edom, while, The Ark was there. 2 Sam 6:11.When The Ark was brought to Jerusalem, David danced before the Lord with all his might. 2 Sam 6:12-15.Solomon offered burnt and peace offerings before The Ark. 1 Ki 3:15.The chief function of the temple, was to house The Ark. When The Ark was put in The Most Holy Place, nothing was in it, but, the Ten Commandments. 1 Ki 8:9; 2 Chron 4:10. And the glory of the Lord filled the house. 1 Ki 8:11. David called the temple, a house of rest for The Ark. 1 Chron 6:31; 28:2.When The Ark was brought up from Kirjath Jearim, David and all of Israel "...played before God with all their might, and with singing, and with harps, and with psalteries, and with timbrels, and with cymbals and with trumpets." 1 Chron 13:5-8; 15:28.The Ten Commandments are God's eternal Covenant with man. Deut 4:13; 2 Chron 6:11; Ps 111:7.8. The Lord wrote this Covenant with His own finger in tablets of stone, which, were placed inside The Ark. The people had said that they could keep His law in their own strength, but failed. Ex 24:7. The New Covenant is God engraving His Covenant in our hearts and minds. Jer 31:31-34; Heb 8:10. He gives us a new heart and His Spirit and "CAUSES US" to walk in His law. Ezek 36:26,27. It is the same Covenant in a different place. Now, if we are born-again believers, His Covenant is within us. He enables us by His Spirit of Grace (Heb 10:29) to walk with Him in loving obedience to His Covenant.The Ten Commandments = One Covenant. James 2:10,11 tells us, that, if we break one of the commandments, we become transgressors of His law, and are guilty of breaking all of them.The fourth commandment is the mark of God's authority as Creator and Redeemer. Deut 5:15. Our Creator: Jesus (John 1:3) calls the seventh day, "My holy day." Isa 58:13.Christians were, still, keeping the Sabbath in 321 A.D., when Constantine instituted the first Sunday law, and in 364 A.D., when the Sabbath was "changed" to Sunday. The penalty for worshipping on the Sabbath was death! As a consequence, many Sabbath-keepers were martyred. One of the marks of The Antichrist is "...he thinks to change times and laws." Dan 7:25. He, only, "thinks to change," because, no man/institution can over-rule our Creator and change His law."Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord thy God...For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it." Ex 20:8-11. Our Creator sanctified and blessed the seventh day, because it was the day in which He rested from His work of Creation.In Revelation 14:6,7 we read, "And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell upon the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue and people. Saying with a loud voice, Fear God and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of water."The everlasting gospel is revealed in the fourth commandment, in which are contained the three components of a seal:1. His NAME: Lord God. Isa 42:82. His AUTHORITY: Creator of all. Isa 40:25,26; Jer 10:10-12; Rev 4:11.3. His DOMAIN: Heaven and earth. Gen 2:1-4; Ex 20:8-11.The fourth commandment is God's SEAL upon His Covenant. The everlasting gospel is calling us back to the one commandment, that, He told us to "remember." He is calling us to sanctify Him as Creator and Redeemer - Jesus, the "Lord of the Sabbath." Mk 2:28.The Ark is symbolic of Jesus Christ. The wood speaks of His humanity, overlaid with pure gold, speaking of His deity, and His law within. It, also, speaks of the New Covenant believer, who has His Covenant written in his heart and mind. When we walk with Him in loving obedience, it is an expression of a converted heart, and evidence of a Spirit-filled life."Know ye not that YE are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?" 1 Cor 3:16.Does His Covenant find in you a resting place?"And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple The Ark of His Testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail." Rev 11:19.The Apostle John wrote, "Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have RIGHT to the tree of life, AND MAY ENTER IN through the gates into the city." Rev 22:14.
     
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    Jeremiah 3:16 "...they will say no more, 'The ark of the covenantof the Lord.' It shall not come to mind, nor shall they remember it, nor shall they visit it, nor shall it be made anymore."Matthew Henry commenting on the above text wrote: "He promises that there shall be no more occasion for the ark of the covenant, which had been so much the glory of the tabernacle first and afterwards of the temple, and was the token of God's presence with them; that shall be set aside, and there shall be no more enquiry after, nor enquiring of, it (v. 16): When you shall be multiplied and increased in the land, when the kingdom of the Messiah shall be set up, which by the accession of the Gentiles will bring in to the church a vast increase (and the days of the Messiah the Jewish masters themselves acknowledge to be here intended), then they shall say no more, The ark of the covenant of the Lord, they shall have it no more among them to value, or value themselves upon, because they shall have a pure spiritual way of worship set up, in which there shall be no occasion for any of those external ordinances; with the ark of the covenant the whole ceremonial law shall be set aside, and all the institutions of it, for Christ, the truth of all those types, exhibited to us in the word and sacraments of the New Testament, will be to us instead of all. It is very likely (whatever the Jews suggest to the contrary) that the ark of the covenant was in the second temple, being restored by Cyrus with the other vessels of the house of the Lord, Ezra 1:7. But in the gospel temple Christ is the ark; he is the propitiatory, or mercy-seat; and it is the spiritual presence of God in his ordinances that we are now to expect. Many expressions are here used concerning the setting aside of the ark, that it shall not come to mind, that they shall not remember it, that they shall not visit it, that none of these things shall be any more done; for the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth, Jn. 4:24. But this variety of expressions is used to show that the ceremonies of the law of Moses should be totally and finally abolished, never to be used any more, but that it would be with difficulty that those who had been so long wedded to them should be weaned from them; and that they would not quite let them go till their holy city and holy house should both be levelled with the ground."As for the Ark theophany in Rev. 11:19: The event depicted is reminiscent of the historical rending asunder of the veil. Contextually this theophany appears as a revelation of the faithfulness of God to Israel during a period of great persecution. Briggs comments; "And not only would spiritually-minded Jews be powerfully reminded of God's abiding covenant, but they would also be powerfully reassured. After all, this same ark contained God's Law, which Israel as a nation had chronically transgressed. God, therefore, as both the covenant initiator and "suzerain" has the legal prerogative to sever the covenant forever. But, by dint of His love, grace, and mercy (as encompassed in the promise the Abraham), the covenant, now strikingly represented by the long-lost ark, is still intact in spite of Israel's failures. God remained faithful even when (most of) Israel did not, and His faithfulness endures to the very end of the age and beyond (Jewish Temple Imagery in the Book of Revelation, Lang, p. 96).
     
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    "The righteous shall inherit the land, and dwell therein forever. The mouth of the righteous speaketh wisdom, and his tongue talketh of judgment. The law of his God is in his heart; none of his steps shall slide." Ps 37:29-31
     
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    Keep in mind that Jeremiah 3 speaks to a time that has not yet come when Israel and Judah shall come back to God and the two sticks will be joined. The same holds true for Revelation 11:19. This looks forward to the Lord's Day as Revelation 1 tells us. It's being shown on this day, not looked back to as a sign of the old by any means.
     
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    I'm not sure why you made that statement? (I'm just puzzled, sorry.) The verse itself says that. Revelation 11:19And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.
     
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    Nicely done herald, truth and rightly dividing the Word is a beautiful thing.
     
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    Thank you.[​IMG] The Ark is a perfect picture of the Gospel:"Mercy and truth are met together; righteousness and peace have kissed each other." Ps 85:10
     
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    Thank you.[​IMG] The Ark is a perfect picture of the Gospel:"Mercy and truth are met together; righteousness and peace have kissed each other." Ps 85:10
    Amen brother!God the Father's Holy, Just and Perfect law is still with us today and should look forward to doing many goods works for other's and the Kingdom of God as thanks and gratitude for such a wonderful gift of love, the Father's unconditional forgiveness and tender mercies through His Grace.Psalm 19:7The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple.Deuteronomy 32:4He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.James 1:25But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.
     
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    The law of the Lord exposes and works death to the old man of sin, and sets the new man free!!!We are told, to die daily to the flesh and it's passions and lusts, so that, we can walk with Him in the Spirit. This is the crucified life, the circumcision of the flesh, which, results in our sanctification and changes us into His image, by His Holy Spirit working from the inside/out.It's all in how you see the law.
     
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    All that is being "heralded" are the false teachings of Ellen G. White:1. The Sabbath: "In the last days, the Sabbath test will be made plain. When this time comes, anyone who does not keep the Sabbath will receive the mark of the beast and will be kept from heaven" (TGC, p. 449); "… [T]he divine institution of the Sabbath is to be restored … The delivering of this message will precipitate a conflict that will involve the whole world. The central issue will be obedience to God's law and the observance of the Sabbath. … Those who reject it will eventually receive the mark of the beast" (TGC, pp. 262–63). In one of her most revered works, Ellen White wrote that Sabbath observance would be the "line of distinction" in the "final test" that will separate God's end-time people who "receive the seal of God" and are saved, from those who "receive the mark of the beast" (The Great Controversy Between Christ and Satan, p. 605). Describing a supposed vision direct from God, Ellen White wrote, "I saw that the Holy Sabbath is, and will be, the separating wall between the true Israel of God and unbelievers" (Early Writings, p. 33; emphasis added). She also wrote of some Adventists failing to understand that "Sabbath … observance was of sufficient importance to draw a line between the people of God and unbelievers" (Ibid., p. 85).SDAs have, thereby, made Sabbath-keeping a criterion for a personal relationship with the Lord -- even to the extent of one's salvation! Why? Because, according to SDAs, we are all to be under strict adherence to Old Testament Law, including the Ten Commandments, of which the fourth one says, "keep the Sabbath." (This Sabbath-keeping requirement was supposedly confirmed in a vision received by Ellen G. White, rather than by study of the Bible.) SDAs believe that "Sunday-keeping" will be the mark of the beast in the future.2. The teaching of the "Investigative Judgment": that the atonement was not complete on the cross, but was begun in heaven in 1844 and depends upon our works. According to Ellen G. White (EGW), the blood of Christ, instead of making "an atonement for the soul" (Lv. 17:11) and "cleans[ing] us from all sin" (l Jn. 1:7), brought sin into heaven: "[O]ur sins are, in fact, transferred to the heavenly sanctuary by the blood of Christ" (Spirit of Prophecy, Vol. 4, p. 266). Thus, Christ had to begin the work of cleansing the heavenly sanctuary (of sins His blood had brought there!) through the "Investigative Judgment." EGW declared that "Ministers who would not accept this saving message" were hindering God's work and "The blood of souls is upon them" (Early Writings, p. 234). Millerites who adopted this delusion became Seventh-Day Adventists. The whole concept of the Investigative Judgment is antithetical to the Gospel. Jesus did not wait until 1844 to enter the Holy of Holies in heaven (Heb. 1:3; 6:19–20; 8:1; 9:6–12, 24; 12:2). Neither is He still making an atonement in heaven (Heb. 9:25–26; 10:11–14). The Investigative Judgment proposes to "vindicate the justice of God in saving those who believe in Jesus," by showing they were "loyal," "penitent," and "faithful" commandment keepers. This is an outrage. God's justice in saving sinners is vindicated by Christ's death on the cross, period (Rom. 3:24–26).Quotes taken from "Biblical Discerment Ministries".
     
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    This is the perfect picture that the earthy sanctuary represented and the perfect picture of what the Altar of Incense represents (See Exodus 30:1-9; 7 And Aaron shall burn thereon sweet incense every morning: when he dresseth the lamps, he shall burn incense upon it.)Only an unlearned Christian would have -zero- understanding of what the Altar of Incense represents.However, for those would appreciate a deeper Biblical understanding and meaning of what the earthy symbols of the earthy tabernacle represents please go to this link:Christ's Ministry in the Heavenly Sanctuary
    A "saving" message. Did you catch what she said? Not a "saved" message but a "saving" or "edifying" message.
    Well, at least one part of this true. He entered into the Heavenly Sanctuary when He ascended to our Heavenly Father.
    Yes He is.1 John 2:1My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:What pray tell do you suppose He advocates?Isaiah 59:15 Yea, truth faileth; and he that departeth from evil maketh himself a prey: and the LORD saw it, and it displeased him that there was no judgment.16 And he saw that there was no man, and wondered that there was no intercessor: therefore his arm brought salvation unto him; and his righteousness, it sustained him.17 For he put on righteousness as a breastplate, and an helmet of salvation upon his head; and he put on the garments of vengeance for clothing, and was clad with zeal as a cloak.
    And yet who's justice is on trial here? Who are the judges of God's ways in dealing with sin and the sin problem brought about by Satan?
    It's only an outrage for the ignorant and sel-absorbed who believe that sin and grace go hand in hand daily.
    No doubt a self-impossed "oxymoron" by this group.
     
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    I am definatly not an SDA and I do keep the Sabbath.... neither do I appreciate being grouped with them... I am a Jewish Believer who also keeps the rest of the commandments and feasts to please my Father, YahHaVeh... and who loves the WHOLE WORD ....what say you about Rev. 22:14 ?
     
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    I worshipped on Sunday for decades, until, I went to an evangelistic meeting at an SDA church. when I heard the Sabbath taught from Genesis-Revelation, I knew that I had to make a decision.It was not at all because it was a teaching of the SDA, but, that, it was one of God's commandments.Our Creator: Jesus (John 1:3) instituted the Sabbath at Creation. He never changed or, abolished it.There are more and more churches returning to the Biblical Sabbath. Actually, the first ones were the Baptists. Now, there are Methodists, Nazarene, Pentecostals, non-denominational...Many have never been taught about the Sabbath, and when they are, they see it's importance.Just as in the garden, it is a question of allegiance.Is our allegiance to the traditions of the "Mother of harlots," as seen in Revelation 17 - the apostate Catholic/Protestant denominational system, or, to God's Word, alone?If He is Lord, obey Him.
     
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    ShalomAs for Rev. 22:14, the preferred translation is:"Blessed are those who wash there robes so that they will have access to the tree of life and so that they might enter into the city by the gates."However, lets not muddy the waters. In accord with Col. 2:16 I make no judgement of those who choose to observe the Sabbath and feasts (in fact I have been involved with Messianic groups for many years). But what is often forgotten in Messianic circles is that in Messiah alone is all fulness of merit and righteousness, of strength and grace. Forgotten to the extent that even Yeshua's deity is often denied. But as for the issues I raised that have caused the controversy, they are;How is redemption procured? Is Ellen G. White a true or false prophet? Is (as the SDA teach) Sunday observance of worship to be equated with the mark of the Beast? No clear answers have been offered in return. Furthermore, my position on Israel is that they remain God's chosen people. I'm sure this is not the position held by the SDA.
     
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    However, lets not muddy the waters. In accord with Col. 2:16 I make no judgement of those who choose to observe the Sabbath and feasts (in fact I have been involved with Messianic groups for many years). But what is often forgotten in Messianic circles is that in Messiah alone is all fulness of merit and righteousness, of strength and grace. Forgotten to the extent that even Yeshua's deity is often denied.
    It is always fascinating how a whole theology can be based on one simple little verse. Yet, if we are going to use one verse to make a point it seems only logical to place into "context" the verse being used.Let do that with Colossians 2:16.Before Paul remarks as he does in Col. 2:16 he gives us this admondition in verse 8: "Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ."So, is Paul taking about the 4th Commandment in verse 16 or maybe something different? Fortunately, verse 14 gives us the clear answer. Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;Clearly Paul is referring to the Mosaic Law and not the 10 Commandments because the Mosaic Law was written by Moses and placed in a book. God wrote the 10 Commandments Himself and on stone (a sign of perminance), and twice no less! Furthermore, that book of Mosaic law was placed on the side of the Ak of the Covenant as a witness against the Children of Israel. God's perfect law is never referred to in scripture as an ordinance, or statute.It's also helpful to use verse 16 and 17 together, so a clearer picture as to what Paul was referring can be seen.Col. 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ. All the feast and sabbaths of the tabernacle and sacrificial system were a shadow of things to come, pointing to the coming Messiah. Once the Messiah came, those shadows and types were fulfilled in Jesus Christ and thus has served there purpose.As I like to say sometimes, "Once you have used a roadmap to get to your destination, the road map has served it's purpose and is no longer needed."There are no types or shadows listed in the 10 Commandments. The 10 Commandments reveal to us the perfect character and holiness of God the Father through His perfect law.The fact that Colssians refers to the Mosaic law can clearly be seen as well in the following verses of Colossians:Colossians 2:20Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances, 21 (Touch not; taste not; handle not; 22 Which all are to perish with the using;) after the commandments and doctrines of men? In other words, if you are dead in Christ, why do you subject yourself to wordly ordinaces that are the devising of men?Furthermore, we know instinctively that verse 20 and 21 are referring to the Mosaic law because the 10 Commandments have absolutely no prohibitions against touching anything unclean, eating anything unclean or handling anything unclean.
    But as for the issues I raised that have caused the controversy, they are;How is redemption procured?
    Through the blood of Jesus Christ.
    Is Ellen G. White a true or false prophet?
    While I am SDA it is also interesting to note that I do not consider her a prophet of God at this time and most of my Adventist brother's and sister's including both my pastors know this about me. And no one, not one, has a propblem with it.That said, if you ever find yourself reading anything she wrote it is hard to imagine the her mind and hand were not guiding exclusively by the Holy Spirit.I can't wait to meet her and here all the stories of how God the Father influenced her.
    Is (as the SDA teach) Sunday observance of worship to be equated with the mark of the Beast?
    Actually, the Bible clearly teaches this. See Deuteronomy 6:6-8.This from the Great Controversy, page 588:"Through the two great errors, the immortality of the soul and Sunday sacredness, Satan will bring the people under his deceptions. While the former lays the foundation of spiritualism, the latter creates a bond of sympathy with Rome. The Protestants of the United States will be foremost in stretching their hands across the gulf to grasp the hand of spiritualism; they will reach over the abyss to clasp hands with the Roman power; and under the influence of this threefold union, this country will follow in the steps of Rome in trampling on the rights of conscience.As spiritualism more closely imitates the nominal Christianity of the day, it has greater power to deceive and ensnare. Satan himself is converted, after the modern order of things. He will appear in the character of an angel of light. Through the agency of spiritualism, miracles will be wrought,the sick will be healed, and many undeniable wonders will be performed. And as the spirits will profess faith in the Bible, and manifest respect for the institutions of the church, their work will be accepted as a manifestation of divine power.The line of distinction between professed Christians and the ungodly is now hardly distinguishable. Church members love what the world loves and are ready to join with them, and Satan determines to unite them in one body and thus strengthen his cause by sweeping all into the ranks of spiritualism. Papists, who boast of miracles as a certain sign of the true church, will be readily deceived by this wonder-working power; and Protestants, having cast away the shield of truth, will also be deluded. Papists, Protestants, and worldlings will alike accept the form of godliness without the power, and they will see in this union a grand movement for the conversion of the world and the ushering in of the long-expected millennium.Through spiritualism, Satan appears as a benefactor of the race, healing the diseases of the people, and professing to present a new and more exalted system of religious faith; but at the same time he works as a destroyer. His temptations are leading multitudes to ruin. Intemperance dethrones reason; sensual indulgence, strife, and bloodshed follow. Satan delights in war, for it excites the worst passions of the soul and then sweeps into eternity its victims steeped in vice and blood. It is his object to incite the nations to war against one another, for he can thus divert the minds of the people from the work of preparation to stand in the day of God."
    No clear answers have been offered in return.
    They have now.
    Furthermore, my position on Israel is that they remain God's chosen people. I'm sure this is not the position held by the SDA.
    It seems that someone hasn't been reading their Bible!Romans 2:29But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.God doesn't play favorites:1 Tim 4:10For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.God came to save the lost. "Everyone" at one time or another has been lost and without direction:Luke 19:10 For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost.If one believes in Christ then they are heirs according to the promise, by faith not blood:Galatians 3:28-29There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.Galatians 3:16 says: "Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He does not say, 'And to seeds, as of many, but as of ONE,' And to your Seed,' who is Christ."Jesus Christ did for the world what the failure of the Israelites didn't!In Galatians 4:22-31, Paul reveals that Ishmael represents unbelieving Jews, while Isaac represents both Jews and Non-Jews who have faith.In Romans 9:8, Paul says, "That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are NOT the children of God; but the children of the promise ARE COUNTED for the seed."
     
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    Revelation 22:14 (King James Version)King James Version (KJV)Public Domain 14Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. WHY HAVE YOU LEFT OFF HALF OF THIS VERSE? notice its not about laundry..its about keeping the commandments and the robes are every work you have done for God during your flesh life...Revelation 19:8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints...it also refers to the Jewish tradition of keeping ready and being prepared for the time of the feast of the New moon... you never knew when it would happen, you had an idea for you could see the moon and its waning, but you had to have the white robe prepared , keeping a white robe in a desert is work, when you are a nomad...and you would wait to hear the trumpet blown., put on your robe and go to the tabernacle to worship Father and fellowship with all your brothers and sisters.. the question is are you prepared ? have you a nice white robe ready?, are you listening for the right trumpet?
     
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    Where in the Scripture, does it say, that The Antichrist will heal the sick? It does say, that, he will call fire down from heaven. Rev 13:13,14. We need to be careful not to add to the Scripture.Jesus bore sickness and pain in the Atonement, which, we enter into by faith in His finished work, and He is glorified.The Greek translation of Rev 22:14 is, "Blessed are the ones doing his commands,that their authority will be over the tree of life, and by the gates they may enter into the city."
     
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    Where in the Scripture, does it say, that The Antichrist will heal the sick? It does say, that, he will call fire down from heaven. Rev 13:13,14. We need to be careful not to add to the Scripture.
    I think Mrs. While suggested that Satan is "transformed into an angel of light" and "will bring the people under his deceptions." She went on to add: "Through the agency of spiritualism, miracles will be wrought,the sick will be healed, and many undeniable wonders will be performed."She was saying that through 'spiritualism' miracles will be done and the sick healed. This happens today quite regularly. Ever watch Benny Hinn? However, a better example might be an atheistic or other non-Christian doctor performing miraculous surgery or other healing and giving all the credit to himself and his greatness instead of the Heavenly Father who worked a miracle through someone such as an unbeliving doctor.So in reality, Mrs. White was right simply because this surely happens today, non-Christians saving others without giving glory to our Heavenly Father just as I'm sure it was happening in her day.
     
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    herald New Member

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    Mrs White is not our authority - the Scriptures are. We are warned not to add to the Book of Revelation. It does not say, that, there would be false healing, although, I have seen some on Catholic television:I saw them take the host, which, they believe to be very God, place it in an emblazoned sun god image, and place it upon an altar. People came up, touched it, fell down and got up "healed."While, EGW did prophesy, Paul said, that he would, that, we all prophesy. But, as with anyone else, we must compare what she said with the Word of God - our, only, authority. I have been to a Benny Hinn meeting, and nothing was done or said, that, was not Scriptural.We are to judge what people say, and are not to judge them.Again, if the SDA is so correct, where are the signs and wonders, that, Jesus said would accompany the Word?Jesus said, "And these signs SHALL follow them that believe; In my name SHALL they cast out devils; they SHALL speak with new tongues, They SHALL take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it SHALL not hurt them; they SHALL lay hands on the sick, and they SHALL recover." Mk 16:17,18.Rather, the SDA puts their faith in medical science. EGW told them not to start hospitals, but, sanitariums.The SDA preaches to others to keep the Sabbath, with which the Word agrees, but, then takes innocent life in abortion in the hospitals. Do you think, that, God, overlooks that?
     
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