The beast that was and was not and yet is

Discussion in 'Eschatology & Prophecy Forum' started by shilohsfoal, Apr 11, 2011.

  1. shilohsfoal

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    Rev 17;8

    The beast, which you saw, once was, now is not, and will come up out of the Abyss and go to his destruction. The inhabitants of the earth whose names have not been written in the book of life from the creation of the world will be astonished when they see the beast, because he once was, now is not, and yet will come.

    John wrote the above verse in 100 AD.At that time the beast that had once existed appeared to have been put to death by the Romans.
    But here in these last days the beast reappeared in 1948.Jews from all the world have followed it .
    This beast which John wrote of is the nation state of Israel.

    So for those of you who do not love the beast,Dont let yourself be mislead by those who do love and support the beast.
    People will say just anything to divert negative attention away from thier beloved beast .It is what it is.
    Jesus said long ago who it would be to kill the saints of God in the last days.

    Mathew 23;34
    [sup]34[/sup]Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:

    Do you believe Jesus or do you believe these people who adore the beast?
     
  2. veteran

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    That's a totally bogus post.

    You're wrongly generalizing all Judah when our Lord Jesus specifically pointed to certain false Jews that had crept in among true Judah.

    It is to also deny Scripture like Romans 9 - 11 where Apostle Paul taught that God has blinded many of the Jews so His Salvation could go also to the Gentiles, and in final He will save those of Judah that turn back to Him.

    It is also to deny those among the western Christian nations that have crept in and are busy setting up the one world government beast kingdom of Rev.13:1. Or haven't you noticed that the U.N. headquarters rests in New York City? And the European Union system also rests outside the state of Israel.

    The signs of the world beast system are right in front of you outside the state of Israel, but you'd rather go on a generalized rant against the house of Judah in the holy land.
     
  3. shilohsfoal

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    Nothing bogus at all.The nation state of Israel is the beast and you are bogus.
    God hasnt sent you veteran.You dont have a clue what your talking about yet you claim you do.
    Your as blind as a bat.The beast is before your face and even with all the scripture that points to it you still cant see it.

    And your not doing anyone any good with your fairy tales of of new world orders.
    Theres one who supports the beast..
    Anymore?

    Mathew 27;25
    Then answered all the people, and said, His blood [be] on us, and on our children.
     
  4. veteran

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    Now everyone here knows the truth about you.

    No wonder you don't want to see Communist nations like Russia involved with radical Islam against Israel at the battle of Armageddon. It has to be the same reason you don't recognize the beast working of westerners who proclaim their "New World Order" (not my label, theirs, even declared by George H. Bush). The reality then is, that you're really the one who supports the beast working against God's people in both the Christian west, and in the nation state of Israel.
     
  5. shilohsfoal

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    Rev 17;8

    The beast, which you saw, once was, now is not, and will come up out of the Abyss and go to his destruction. The inhabitants of the earth whose names have not been written in the book of life from the creation of the world will be astonished when they see the beast, because he once was, now is not, and yet will come.


    The beast had existed before John even wrote this verse veteran.
    Yet you are looking for something that has never existed.
    Why cant you pay attention to one verse?
    You would ignore all that is written about the beast just so you can teach your fairy tales about your new world order.
     
  6. veteran

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    You simply don't know what you're talking about, and sound like a broken record.

    The Rev.17:8 beast is about a king, which is why it links that certain he with the one of the bottomless pit in the next verses.

    You're also in denial about the internationalist's working to form a one world government over all nations, which is irrational to deny with all the proof that exists to show it. Even the Communists are working for that plan as the FBI agent Cleon Skousen revealed in his 1958 work The Naked Communist.

    Are you a Muslim, since your politics allies with them and the Communists against Israel?

     
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  7. shilohsfoal

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    My polics is scripture.
    And scripture points to the nation state of Israel as being the beast.
    Yes Jesus will fight against the ten horns whicxh are muslim states and he shall overcome them but it doesnt change the fact that the nation state of Israel is the beast in which those ten horns renderd thier kingdom.Palestine.

    But since you support and love the beast ,you can not see it.
    You believe because the beast killed the heir then the promised land is thiers and not his.

    Luke 20 ;14
    But when the husbandmen saw him, they reasoned among themselves, saying, This is the heir: come, let us kill him, that the inheritance may be ours.

    And you support them.
    And you claim the beast has the right to exist.
    It will be destroyed along with the ten horns that renderd the kingdom to him.
     
  8. n2thelight

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    Revelation 17:8 "The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is [shall come]."

    This "beast" was in the Garden of Eden deceiving [beguiling] Eve; he is not here now, for he is in heaven accusing the saints before the throne of God, now. He [Satan] will ascend out of the bottomless pit, as we saw in Revelation 9:1, and 2, and "he will go to perdition", following the judgment at the end of the Millennium kingdom age. Friend, "he" spoken of here, is Satan, and don't let any one tell you any different. Satan is the "son of perdition" as recorded in II Thessalonians 2:1-4, and he will be the first Christ to come at the end of this earth age.

    "Perdition" means to "perish", and only Satan has had that sentence passed on him at this time. We are told that those "whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world", [that first earth age], will wonder, or follow after Satan. They fell in the first earth age, and they will also fall in this earth age. Those of who were chosen in that first earth age stood against Satan then, and they will also stand now. They are God's elect.

    When the last of the elect, and the 144,000 of Israel are sealed, then Satan will arrive as the Antichrist. This age is a repeat of the first earth age. Now, what about the other Christians? They will follow false doctrine, and go into Satan's camp. The deception will cover the whole earth, yet the truth is in your hands to forewarn those around you in this generation.

    There will be no equal to the deceptions that are going to come, in the history of all mankind. Yet the sermons of today are full of nonsense, with no sense of urgency given even as this great hour of deception is at our doorstep. The Church sleeps, while the Kenites steal the sheep.
     
  9. veteran

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    You have obviously come here to twist and deceive, and pick arguments, and are sympathetic with those who plan to destroy Israel; the false prophets you have listened to have terribly deceived you into believing them instead of God's Word. Your thoughts are irrational, and even heretical against God's Word and His people. Your false accusations have no foundation whatsoever. And, you're obviously anti-Semitic, a hater of all Jews since you categorize all Israel as the beast. I can understand why you were banned from this Forum once already.
     
  10. Arnie Manitoba

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    "His" and "he" are singular and speak of a single personage , not a nation , sorry.


    I caution you to recall that God will bless those who bless Israel , and curse those who curse Israel. Choose carefully my friend , very carefully.Your future depends on it.


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  11. n2thelight

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    So,who is Israel?
     
  12. shilohsfoal

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    His is singular as in a single goverment or a single country.
    I caution you not to be ingnorant of scripture.

    Genisis 12
    [sup]2[/sup] “I will make you into a great nation,
    and I will bless you;
    I will make your name great,
    and you will be a blessing.[sup][a][/sup]
    [sup]3[/sup] I will bless those who bless you,
    and whoever curses you I will curse;
    and all peoples on earth
    will be blessed through you.”[sup][b][/sup]

    Obviously you havnt been blessed by God or you would know who the seed of Abraham really is.

    Galatians 3;16
    Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.


    It is through Christ that all nations are blessed.
    For someone who claims to be a christian ,you should have know this.



    No .Ive come here to shopw people who the beast of the bible is.
    And I do it with scripture pointing out his location and his history both ancient and recent.
    But I do come across people who love and support the beast such as yourself who would rather people worship the beast and glorify it.
     
  13. shilohsfoal

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    Isaiah 49
    [sup]1[/sup] Listen to me, you islands;
    hear this, you distant nations:
    Before I was born the LORD called me;
    from my mother’s womb he has spoken my name.
    [sup]2[/sup] He made my mouth like a sharpened sword,
    in the shadow of his hand he hid me;
    he made me into a polished arrow
    and concealed me in his quiver.
    [sup]3[/sup] He said to me, “You are my servant,
    Israel,
    in whom I will display my splendor.”
    [sup]4[/sup] But I said, “I have labored in vain;
    I have spent my strength for nothing at all.
    Yet what is due me is in the LORD’s hand,
    and my reward is with my God.”


    Rev 3;12

    Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out:
    and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, [which is] new Jerusalem,
    which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and [I will write upon him] my new name.
     
  14. burningfire

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    You are saying that Israel is the beast, huh?

    Well, once the whole world worships the beast, once the whole world cannot buy or sell anything without the mark of the beast (whose name equals 666), once the world sees Israel perform great signs and makes fire come down from heaven....and the list goes on, once all that happens, we will believe you.

    But I do believe Revelation 13:18 states, "Here is wisdom Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for the number is that of a man; and his number is six hundred and sixty-six.

    Apparently wisdom and understanding is lacking here because the Bible just states that the number of the beast is that of a man...not a nation. If you can figure out how Israel = 666....indulge us please!
     
  15. shilohsfoal

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    The beast that was and was not and yet is is not the beast that gives them the mark of the beast.
    That comes later via the second beast of rev.
    As for making fire come down out of heaven.Israel can already do that so can the millitary that shall be sent into Israel.
    The abomination that causes desolation is the mark of the beast.It is an army that shall mark them and fire its missiles.

    Daniel 11;31
    "His armed forces will rise up to desecrate the temple fortress and will abolish the daily sacrifice. Then they will set up the abomination that causes desolation.


    What may have been a wonder 2000 years ago is common place today.
    Its not that hard to make fire come down out of heaven.It only takes one man to say the word "fire" and there it is.
     
  16. burningfire

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    OHHH! There is a second beast...REALLY? Prove it.
     
  17. shilohsfoal

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    After John saw the first beast,then he saw another beast.
    This beast likes those who do wickedly against Jesus.

    Rev 13;11-12
    And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.

    Daniel 11;32
    [sup]32[/sup]And such as do wickedly against the covenant shall he corrupt by flatteries: but the people that do know their God shall be strong, and do exploits.


    This beast will kill those who do not worship the beast or his image."christians"

    Rev 13;15
    And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

    Daniel 11;33
    [sup]33[/sup]And they that understand among the people shall instruct many: yet
    they shall fall by the sword, and by flame, by captivity, and by spoil, many days.
     
  18. burningfire

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    That is the false prophet buddy. Read the rest of the chapter.

    Once the AC is wounded in the head, and killed, the false prophet arises, who can do many great things (miracles) and will raise the AC up from the dead. We are talking about literal people here, not the country Israel.
     
  19. n2thelight

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    Ithink you have it wrong....The first beast will be a one world political system,that's about to happen soon.....That system will fall apart,satan himself,as the antichrist will put it back together again and all will wonder after him thinking he is Christ.........

    Here is a good study on it at the link below.......

    http://www.biblestudysite.com/beast.htm

    Here's an excerpt

    There are two beasts spoken of in the thirteenth chapter of the book of Revelation. The first beast [Rev 13:1-10] is the emerging one-world political/religious system that we see gaining strength and power at a breakneck speed in our present generation. This confederacy of all the world's Nations, Educational systems (Media), Monetary systems, and most importantly the Religions will be in effect under the rule of one Governing body. This will make it possible for the antichrist to step in, take the reins, and assume control of most every soul on the planet. This antichrist is the second beast of Revelation chapter thirteen, and he is satan himself, who comes first before Jesus Christ's Second Advent, and he claims to be the True prophesied Messiah.

    The second beast [Rev 13:11-18] is satan himself in his role as the antichrist. See the THE ANTICHRIST in-depth Bible study. The word 'antichrist,' in the Greek language that the book of revelation was written in, does not mean what it means in our English language. It does not mean 'the prevention of' as in antifreeze. But rather it means 'instead of' as in an imposter. The word antichrist in the Greek language is antichristos (an-tee'-khris-tos), and it is composed of two words, the second word Christos (khris-tos') you recognize as Christ. But the first word anti (an-tee') has a very revealing definition, it means 'instead of' or 'a substitution' for something. When this prefix is used of a person it means that he is an imposter to whomever the prefix anti is attached to. In this case (anti-Christ); he is an imposter to Christ:
     
  20. shilohsfoal

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    Oh really?
    Prove it.

    Where in the scripture does it say a man other than Christ can resurrect another man.

    John 11;25
    Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:


    Ok .Your looking for one man with seven heads and ten horns and your lokking for another man with two horns.
    Good luck in your serching .Come back and tell us when you find them.