The Blood Loses None

[Behold]

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Its is a sad fact that a person can be born again, and not actually understand anything about how and why, and be saved 40 yrs.

Listen Saint... We live in an era where time is speeding up, info technology is off the rails, and Reality is becoming "virtual". So, the effect of all this on our minds, is to almost create a detachment from the real Truth, which is the Bible and Who is heading our way from Heaven soon.
Also....Satan is alive and he is not Joking. He wants you in the dark, out of touch with God, and consumed with what really does not matter.

So, let me talk now more about heretics.

I often ask one of these Forum heretics to post about Grace, and they never do. As a matter of fact, they usually become really really quiet. After all, a heretic obviously doesn't understand Grace, or they have rejected the Grace of God in favor of only existing on a Christian Forum to obsessively try to ruin a REAL believer's peace of heart and soundness of Mind by trying to Theologically con-job them into the belief that they can end up in the Lake of Fire .

The heretic is always trying to keep Jesus from keeping you saved. Have you noticed this yet? The Heretic is always trying to give you a Salvation Substitute that keeps you saved. That's their calling-card. That's their Heretic ID Badge. They want Jesus off the Cross and you On it , saving yourself by whatever list they want you to keep. Maybe the list is "enduring to the end", or maybe the list is "Commandment keeping" or not "willfully sinning", or doing "works of Obedience", or the always popular, "well if you turn your back on God, or lose your faith, or renounce your faith or walk away or stop abiding".... So, all of that is just works, its all YOUR EFFORT that they say you have to DO so that you dont "lose it", as according to them YOU... and NOT God thru Christ keeps you saved. = "HERESY".

The question arises..... regarding all they say and teach....how could they know anything about The Grace of God, to begin with,????? and if they did, they have long ago rejected it. See, you can't be a True believer in the Free Gift of Salvation and also teach that you can lose your salvation. These 2 positions cancel each other out. This is "double minded" confusion that teaches deception.
You have someone like charismaticlady teaching that God holds you accountable for your sin, even tho Christ has been Judged for them all, 2000 yrs ago.
I can't think of a more false and Cross denying theology then this person teaching that the Blood of Jesus has not resolved the sin issue of all the born again.
She teaches that Paul is a "false teacher" and that God charges you with your sin, when in Fact Paul himself teaches that God does NOT.... Romans 4:8


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God's Grace and "lose your salvation" do not exist within the same Blood Atonement, or Redemption, that is only found in the "gift of Righteousness". Its not by our WORKS but according to God's MERCY" that we are saved and stay saved..

See that? You have to want to not see that, if you can't see it. = "not by WORKS".... And what is "works'. ????? Iits everything that you can DO, Saint. Its your LIFESTYLE, your THINKING,...BEHAVIOR.. its all the parts that make up your DOING SOMTHING... Its all YOU YOU YOU......and that is NOT JESUS Saving you. And that is not having FAITH in Christ at all.

Something that is interesting is that if a person believes they can "lose it", its because they are trusting in themselves to keep it. So, that means they are not trusting in Christ to keep them saved, but only acknowledge that He began their Salvation. So, if anyone could lose their salvation because they have lost their faith, its the people who think and believe that they can lose their salvation, because the reason they believe this is because they are no longer trusting in Christ to keep them saved... See how that works?
So, they have literally become the victim of their own Christ Rejecting heresy, and are oblivious to their own lack of True Faith as their current spiritual condition. Its the pot calling the kettle black, and its the same person who is both the pot and the black.

Ive shared Paul's doctrine of God's Grace with many many people who want to just beat their heads against a wall because i told them that " the Same God who saved you, will keep you saved"....and why is this True? Because He said so.... Philippians 1:6.
"God who began salvation in the born again, will Himself be faithful to complete it".



The heretic will tell you......"You've Got to hold onto your faith, got to SELF ABIDE if you want to stay out of Hell. "
Well, not quite.
What you have to do is give God your Faith, so that He then SAVES YOU and Keeps you saved.....by and through the Blood of Jesus.

A Heretic, believes that "working out your salvation with fear and trembling" means...."Save yourself, because Christ isn't going to do it unless you are good enough, obedient enough, etc"""...

Do you see what this really means?
It means the heretic is discounting and denying The Blood of Jesus as being capable of keeping you saved. It means that the Heretic is not giving full credit to the finished work of Jesus on the Cross as what SAVES and Keeps you Saved, and they are instead taking credit for it, by what they believe they must DO... (Self Saving).... And they'd have you believe this also if possible. They'd have you up on that Cross right now if you'll just be self righteousness enough to go with them.

Don't do that....
Instead give all the praise, honor, glory, and CREDIT, to the SAVIOR GOD as Jesus The Christ, who saved you, and keeps you saved the same WAY He saved you. = God made you RIGHTEOUS and The Blood of Jesus Keeps you Righteous. (Keeps you SAVED).

Faith isn't the Redeemer....
Jesus is the Redeemer, and God saves us through HIM because we did what God told us to do so that He DOES = we BELIEVED. "faith is counted as righteousness", but its the RIGHTEOUSNESS that is Imputed, that is charged to us, given freely as the "gift of Righteousness" that makes us accepted by God, = Born Again. = SAVED.

Can you do all that for yourself?
Heretics think you can, and want you to try it for the rest of your LIFE.. And that is why they try to fearmonger you into thinking you can LOSE YOUR SALVATION< = so then you'll start wondering and worrying = then you'll start trying to SAVE YOURSELF.. Which means you will Stop Trusting in Christ ALONE to KEEP YOU SAVED.
Listen, If you buy their theological deceit you'll start ranting about Commandment Keeping, and working works works works, and abiding, and before long you'll be their newly trained Heretic and think the only 3 epistles in the bible are Hebrews, James, and Matthew., where all Heretics live.

So, is any reader sitting there wondering about this word FAITH? Kinda unsure about how to understand FAITH? Alright. Think of Salvation like this... You are sitting in a dark room. There is a ceiling fan light above your head. There is a light switch on the Wall. So, you turn on the Switch and the Light comes on. Right? So, is the switch the LIGHT?
Is the SWITCH the LIGHT? ? ? or is the Switch what causes the Light to come on? ? So, Faith is the SWITCH< but its not the LIGHT. Jesus is the Light. Salvation is the LIGHT.. Grace is the LIGHT. Redemption is the LIGHT..... .And God has this LIGHT of the CROSS and wants to give it to "all who will" (flip the switch)...., and you RECEIVE it ALL when you turn on the Switch.....The switch is Faith. But...Faith is only the switch. Eternal Redemption, is the LIGHT. The Blood of JESUS is THE LIGHT.......So, dont confuse them as one, as they are not. Faith activates the ONE WHO WILL SAVE YOU. Faith is the switch, Salvation, who is JESUS, is the LIGHT.

Thank GOD Thru Christ that the fact is, our Salvation is not dependent on our BEHAVIOR, but its solely dependent on our Father God who SAVED US.
Our Salvation is wholly dependent on JESUS's BLOOD that saves us and keeps us saved.

 

[justbyfaith]

In Luke 8:13 we find Jesus speaking of a nominal, lukewarm, or shallow faith that, when tested, the person will fall away.

Such a person believes but is not sealed by the Holy Spirit.

In John 6:47 we find Jesus speaking of a heart faith that is unto righteousness (Romans 10:10) and enduring to the end (Matthew 10:22, Hebrews 3:6, Hebrews 3:14) that is unto everlasting life...life that will never end.

For the person whose faith translates into the attitude of an obedient heart (see Matthew 7:21), salvation cannot be lost. John 5:24 (kjv) makes it clear that the one who believes in the one who sent Jesus, having heard His word, has everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation, but is passed from death unto life from the moment of first faith.

The Luke 8:13 believer, when they fall away, does not continue to have salvation. To contend that they do is to preach heresy.

To recap, it is the kind of faith that one has that determines whether that person will endure to the end and never be able to lose their salvation.

If someone has faith in the light switch and turns on the light using it, it is also possible to turn the switch back off so that the light does not come from the lamp or light that the switch is connected to.

Now, we do not have to worry about losing faith; because genuine faith is not easily lost. If you have the right kind of faith, you are sealed by the Holy Spirit; and the Holy Spirit will instill the faith in you that you need and will instill it into you to the very end of your life.

But, the Bible teaches that we need to give diligence to make certain that we have a faith that cannot be shaken.

2Pe 1:10, Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:

It is important that we seek the LORD until we can be certain that we have sought Him with all of our hearts.

Deu 4:29, But if from thence thou shalt seek the LORD thy God, thou shalt find him, if thou seek him with all thy heart and with all thy soul.

Jer 29:13, And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart.

When we know that we have done this, we can rest assured in a salvation that cannot be taken away from us.

The person who has made their calling and election sure will not fail to abide in Christ, because they are born again and "cannot sin". (compare 1 John 3:9 to 1 John 3:6). If someone is "born of God" they will not fail to "abide in Christ".

As a matter of fact, the anointing that is given to us teaches us to abide in Christ (1 John 2:27-28).

We do not "self-abide" in our own strength...but as the result of having made our calling and election sure, we know that we have a faith that will not fall away when tested...and this is God's keeping power (1 Peter 1:5); while we must understand that the one who is begotten of God (1 Peter 1:3) keepeth himself (1 John 5:18). But it is the Holy Spirit within us that motivates us to do so; so that our keeping of ourselves is utterly motivated by the Lord and it is God who works within us both to will and to do according to His good pleasure.

Now we are saved by grace through faith; we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand...and therefore, if anyone were to lose faith, they would no longer have access and would no longer be saved. The good news is that if your faith isn't shallow, lukewarm, or nominal; but is a heart faith that is unto righteousness (Romans 10:10) and enduring to the end (Matthew 10:22, Hebrews 3:6, Hebrews 3:14), such a faith is unshakable and will endure unto everlasting life (John 6:27 (kjv)).

And also, since it is possible for a man to fall from grace (Galatians 5:4), it can be concluded from scripture, since it teaches that a man is saved by grace through faith, that a man in falling from grace falls also from salvation.

Nevertheless John 5:24 (kjv) stands true for the believer who has made his calling and election sure and who knows that his faith is genuine and enduring. We usually don't find this out until after we have been tested...however we can take steps to ensure that our faith will endure when it is tested....our best bet is to lay our roots deep in the word of God and to draw up nourishment from the vine on a regular basis.

The righteousness of Jesus is always practical in a believer's life.

And while our salvation does not depend upon our behaviour; the behaviour of a man will be changed if they are genuinely born again. And it also depends on faith which affects the behaviour of a man.

I would encourage the reader to check what I am saying by the holy scriptures that I have referenced; and I encourage the reader to spend time reading their Bibles personally and to be Bereans in the word of the Lord (Acts of the Apostles 17:10-11).

 

[Behold]

In Luke 8:13 we find Jesus speaking of a nominal, lukewarm, or shallow faith that, when tested, the person will fall away.
Such a person believes but is not sealed by the Holy Spirit.
The Luke 8:13 believer, when they fall away, does not continue to have salvation. To contend that they do is to preach heresy.

This person was not saved.
Notice they had no "root".
"root" in this case represents being saved.
So, you wrote a book filled with nothing, once again.
I think ive not met anyone that posts more verses and understands them less, then you.

 

[justbyfaith]

This person was not saved.
Notice they had no "root".
"root" in this case represents being saved.
So, you wrote a book filled with nothing, once again.
I think ive not met anyone that posts more verses and understands them less, then you.

They were not of the elect; in that you spoke truly.

But for all practical purposes they were indeed saved; for they believed: and we are saved by grace through faith; we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand. Again, the scripture is Luke 8:13. Read it.

 

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Something that is interesting is that if a person believes they can "lose it", its because they are trusting in themselves to keep it.

Simple!

 

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Our Salvation is wholly dependent on JESUS's BLOOD that saves us and keeps us saved.

And accepting this truth frees us to receive from Him that which He may not wish to give while we are thinking ar provide for our own needs.

I mean, does God want us to become confused? Will we live in the abundance of Christ while we're thinking we're doing this for ourselves?

We can work on our character, our habits and what not, but to walk in the transformed life, that's the result of faith in Christ, not in me.

Much love!

 

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our salvation does not depend upon our behaviour;

Agreed!

 

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They were not of the elect; in that you spoke truly.

But for all practical purposes they were indeed saved; for they believed: and we are saved by grace through faith; we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand. Again, the scripture is Luke 8:13. Read it.

Demons believe. That's not definitive, I don't think. They had no root, they fell away, they went out from us because they were not of us.

This isn't the person who is recreated righteous and holy, I don't think.

Much love!

 

[Behold]

And accepting this truth frees us to receive from Him that which He may not wish to give while we are thinking ar provide for our own needs.I mean, does God want us to become confused? Will we live in the abundance of Christ while we're thinking we're doing this for ourselves?We can work on our character, our habits and what not, but to walk in the transformed life, that's the result of faith in Christ, not in me.
Much love!

As you travel now in a deeper understanding of God's Grace, you will notice that on all forums you have the self savers, the "im keeping myself saved" theologians, who will use the very scriptures themselves to not only showcase their self saving legalism, but also try to use the word of God against God Himself.
The heretic is always shown clearly by their own revelation of themselves as "Jesus saved me, but now i have to DO IT".
You will find these deceivers everywhere....and they especially like to ruin Christian Forums, because they can get away with it.

 

[Behold]

They were not of the elect; in that you spoke truly.

But for all practical purposes they were indeed saved; for they believed: and we are saved by grace through faith; we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand. Again, the scripture is Luke 8:13. Read it.

Let me help.

Here is a rule.

Always look at the verse, and note........is this verse talking to people before the Cross was raised.
Yes or No.
If "yes" then its probably going to be VOIDED by "GOD's GRACE" once PAUL SHOWS UP.
Learn this, if you can't understand anything else ive tried to teach you for about 2 months.

 

[justbyfaith]

Let me help.

Here is a rule.

Always look at the verse, and note........is this verse talking to people before the Cross was raised.
Yes or No.
If "yes" then its probably going to be VOIDED by "GOD's GRACE" once PAUL SHOWS UP.
Learn this, if you can't understand anything else ive tried to teach you for about 2 months.

See Hebrews 1:1-3.

Heb 1:1, God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
Heb 1:2, Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
Heb 1:3, Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;

The Son of God spoke nothing that He didn't speak before the Cross; and in this scripture it is clear that what the Son of God has spoken, He has spoken unto us.

 

[Behold]

The Son of God spoke nothing that He didn't speak before the Cross; .

Im not talking about Jesus.
Im talking about the New Testament.
In the New Testament, you have what was said, and taught, before the Cross, such as the Old Testament, and much of what Christ Taught..
Then, after the Cross was raised, and Jesus was ascended, Paul came.
This apostle to the gentiles had a message that was not about "repent and be baptized".
He had something GREATER.
He had the "Gospel of the Grace of God".
This doctrine, changed much of what came before the Cross was lifted.

 

[justbyfaith]

Im not talking about Jesus.
Im talking about the New Testament.
In the New Testament, you have what was said, and taught, before the Cross, such as the Old Testament, and much of what Christ Taught..
Then, after the Cross was raised, and Jesus was ascended, Paul came.
This apostle to the gentiles had a message that was not about "repent and be baptized".
He had something GREATER.
He had the "Gospel of the Grace of God".
This doctrine, changed much of what came before the Cross was lifted.

However, it seemed that you were discounting much of what Jesus said as having been spoken before the Cross.

I simply am pointing out that what Jesus said, applies to us; for He spoke it unto us; and that it applies to us even though He said it before the Cross.

 

[Behold]

However, it seemed that you were discounting much of what Jesus said as having been spoken before the Cross.

The way you "discount" the world of Jesus, is to misapply them in a wrong context.
You should know this, as every post you post, accomplishes this perfectly.

Listen,....Just like all scripture is NOT given for correction, Not all scripture is given as symbolic.

Here is something to think about....
Sometimes a verse has 2 or more meanings, yet it's one sentence.
Like this one....>"Go into all the world and preach the Gospel.........now part 2, baptizing them in the Name"......

See, that verse is :
1.)Grace.....Preach the Gospel......then 2.) Water baptism follows the Gospel being preached which is the seed that causes the NEW BIRTH.

The unskilled with the Word or the Heretic, (basically the same thing) reads......."we preach then we baptize them to get them saved".
=, Not quite

THats what the Cathoics teach.
They teach the "baptize them in the name" AS THE GOSPLE, and its not.
Its just the dunking or sprinkling part that is supposed to happen AFTER a person is born again.

 

[Behold]

I simply am pointing out that what Jesus said, applies to us; for He spoke it unto us; and that it applies to us even thought He said it before the Cross.

All the bible applies to us, but not all the bible is our literal doctrine as found as GIVEN by PAUL = in the time of the Gentiles.

Heretics like to just jam all the bible into one box of confused self effort.
Maybe you should try something else?
How about............ listen to me and let me help you learn how to rightly divide?

Ive over 50 Threads here.
They can help you, but you'll have to let go of the self deceit.

 

[justbyfaith]

Listen,....Just like all scripture is NOT given for correction,

All scripture is given for correction, 2 Timothy 3:16.

 

[justbyfaith]

Ive over 50 Threads here.
They can help you, but you'll have to let go of the self deceit.

If I believed your threads, I would end up wallowing in your self-deceit; I would begin to think that I am without sin; and the Bible teaches that if I were to begin to believe that, I would be deceiving myself and the truth would not be in me (1 John 1:8).

So, yet again, you have three fingers pointing back at you.

but you'll have to let go of the self deceit.

but you'll have to let go of the self deceit.

but you'll have to let go of the self deceit.

 

[Behold]

All scripture is given for correction, 2 Timothy 3:16.

You quoted a part of the verse, so that you can twist it to fit your lie.

That verse LISTS all the potential positions that the scripture can be given....for use.

"doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness,""

Not all scripture is given for DOCTRINE...... for example...the verse....>"Jesus wept".

Now is that Doctrine, for the Church, mr self anointed?
Is that given for "correction" Mr let me chase behold around on the forum?

See, you dont know what you are talking about.
You can't teach. You can't write a Thread, unless its about me.
What you should do is leave the teaching to the Teacher, and stop pretending.
Really.

 

[Behold]

If I believed your threads, I would end up wallowing in your self-deceit.

You are wallowing in your own self deceit.
Some of it includes your false prophecies, and your idea that you are anointed to teach.

And as you have admitted, you are currently found "wallowing" in "indwelling sin" having been ruined by the Epistle to the HEBREWS, as you stated.

So, you have issues with sin, and don't want to listen to a real Teacher help you to come out of that place of deception and wrong believing.
So, you said for 2 months.
Ok, stay there then.
"free will" fella.
Enter at your own RISK when you can't handle the responsibility with wisdom.
That's you.

 

[justbyfaith]

You can't teach. You can't write a Thread, unless its about me.

I am continuing to write a thread that has nothing to do with you (will post a link shortly).

Commentary on Romans.

(will post another link shortly).

Wet Paint Principle (Freedom)

Some of it includes your false prophecies, and your idea that you are anointed to teach.

I never said I am specifically anointed to "teach". My spiritual gift is "the word of wisdom".