So, let's assume we buy into Heb. 9:22's "without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sin," and count all other paths to forgiveness of sin mentioned in Scripture -- including Exodus 30:11-16 (paying money), Leviticus 5:11-13 (burning flour by the poor), or more generally, 2 Chronicles 7:14, Psalm 40:6, Psalm 51:16-17, Isaiah 1:11, and similar verses suggesting that the Lord does not delight in burnt offerings -- as just outright lies. In fact, while we're at it, let's call Jesus a liar too when He declared in Matt. 6:14 that “For if you forgive others their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you.” OK, now we're ready to proceed with your "gotta have shedding of blood" theory. Follow along:
This will be 2 parts...
Here is : Pt 1
Christianity is all spiritual.
The Bible is all spiritual.
So, when a teacher is teaching theology, or scriptures.... then this is absolutely not like selling definitions.
What that means is... . if someone says.. "prove it"... and they are full of theology, then they are not going to accept any proof, as their own proof is their own theology and a Teacher like me can't cause that to go away.
See, people come to forums.......most people, to try to sell you their theology, that is typically related to their denomination, or cult.
I never do this, as my Theology is not related to a denomination... My Theology is Pauline Theology.......that is Paul's doctrine.
There is no other that is perfect., and no matter the denomination or cult.. where they perfectly agree with Paul's doctrine, they are correct, and where they disagree , they are not.
So, because the Bible is a spiritual book, it will take the Holy Spirit to reveal to a student of the word, His Truth.
Now, notice that Jesus IS
THE Truth..........John 14:6.
He's not part truth, or some truth, or most truth, .. Jesus is
THE Truth...
"Jesus came in the world and the world received Him not, because the world is not OF The Truth."
So, that is the same for religion, and most "christian" denominations, and of course all Cults.
What all this means to you, Reader..... is that there is no getting past your indoctrination, unless God does if for you.
And there is no getting that at all, unless you are born again..
Reader......Let me show you a couple of KEYS, so that you can apply this to any diligent study you might pursue of the Bible.
1.) Jesus came to the Jews, and what He talked about with them, was mostly related to OT, Old Covenant.
Jesus didnt come to the Gentile world......He came to the Jews...(House of Israel)... So, the very first part of beginning to understand the BIBLE, is to recognize that it has an OT and a NT. It has an old covenant and a New Covenant.
And That is utterly important to realize, as once you see those 2, then you know that they are not going to be the same, and then that is when the Holy Spirit can begin to show you have to "rightly divide" the word of God and that is why God sends a real teacher.
= "for the perfecting of the Saints"..
2.) The OT, is not the NT.. and the OT verses, are not given to Gentiles, ... so that means that the "body of Christ", was birthed by the Cross of Christ....So, you have all those Verses, that came before Jesus died on the Cross, where Jesus is talking to the "House of Israel" and not to the body of Christ, the "Church"...or the CHRISTIANS.
So, the very 2nd thing a bible student has to learn, is that we dont take verses, that are given to Jews, as if they are Doctrine for the "Body of Christ", when they are not.
The OT, is an old Covenant, that has been dissolved and a new one is now written in the Blood of Jesus...
Jesus is the New Testament and the New Covenant.
See, God is a God of BLOOD Covenant, and Jesus is the Author of the NEW Covenant, that is written in His Holy Blood.
This New Covenant, is separated from the OLD Covenant, that is the OLD Testament.... So, when we study the Bible, we have to always notice the divisions whereby the word of God, is talking to CHRISTians, and not OT Jews. As Jesus was most often talking to OT Jews, unless He was speaking prophetically, as He does in Matt 24.
Jesus began to Literally talk to CHRISTIANS, after He created CHRISTIANITY with His CROSS, as before The Cross was raised there aren't any Christians.
Now, one verse for you.
@RedFan , and you posted it.
"""if you forgive, God will forgive you, and if you dont He wont""". That Is Matt 6, and a couple of others, and that is Jesus the JEW, talking to Jews under the Old Covenant.
And now, that Jesus has shed His Blood and died to become the NEW Covenant... you find this verse.. talking to CHRISTians.
"forgive them, because your Father has forgiven you".
See that complete shift from OT, to NT?
Notice that The OT covenant understanding that is based on LAW..., "forgive to be forgiven", .....is now deleted, and the NT has created it like this...>>>>""Forgive because you have been FORGIVEN"">., as this is talking to the CHRISTians, who are "under Grace". and "not under the Law".
Christians dont forgive to be forgiven.......they forgive because
they have already been forgiven.
See, if you are not forgive all your sin, then you are not a Christian., yet.
See that NT Change?
There is no more OT LAW....>>"or else"..... there is no more OT LAW threat......no more responsibility to "forgive or else"".....
Because Now, the CHRISTIAN forgives, not to be forgiven.. but because they already ARE Forgiven..
The Christian is "not under the Law, but under GRACE"...
See that Change in how the Old Covenant presents "forgiveness" under the old covenant.... and how the NT, the New Covenant, presents it completely differently regarding the CHRISTian?
And Reader...... notice once again, this fact about being full of theology, or religion.
It blocks God's Light from entering into you, if that is all you have.
Notice that God's Son, who is THE TRUTH, was nailed to The Cross, by religious people, who were filled with the TORAH.... filled with SCRIPTURES they had memorized since they were young children.
However.....They could not hear JESUS, because the truth was not in them.... so they rejected THE TRUTH.
Their THEOLOGY blinded their mind and caused them to become deaf to Truth.
Yes, they had and have till this day, religion, they had bible study, they had memorized the TORAH, the OT, but it did them no good, because all of that is just religion, when there is no TRUTH in you.
End of Pt 1.