Since many are studying the book why not open it up to everyone.
we will start at the beginning, Chapter 1.
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we will start at the beginning, Chapter 1.
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Revelation, the uncovering of what has been hidden from view . . . Genetive Case . . . possessed by, or originating from, Jesus.
Jesus' revelation, that God gave Him, to show us.
Things that must soon, or suddenly, come to pass.
Sent and signified . . .
I often hear that "signified" is to mean that it's all put in symbols, but the word is used in just the opposite way.
The same word appears, for instance, in John 21, where Jesus tells Peter how he's going to die, which is an interesting study in itself, after all, how does what Jesus said signify how Peter will die? But not to get too sidetracked . . .
The point being, the word means to give information, not conceal it.
Thayer's comment . . . "equivalent to to make known: absolutely Revelation 1:1"
Also interesting to me, Jesus sent this revelation by an angel to John, while John's vision was first of Jesus Himself.
God gave a revelation to Jesus, who sent it by an angel to John, to make known what was going to happen.
Thanks for the reply, Good question. consider this. as said, a day is "like" a thousand years, based on that then the Lord Jesus has been gone only a couple of days. yes, this is debatable. but what if we used the day as a thousand years. then by the Lord jesus leaving when he was 33 years old, that will bring his return around 2033 which is 13 years away. I base this on Hosea 6:2 "After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight".
so by God time he's been gone nearly or only a couple of days, and that's "quickly".
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Good question, well the angel reveals who Jesus is in Revelation 22:6. listen, Revelation 22:6 "And he said unto me, These sayings are faithful and true: and the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto his servants the things which must shortly be done".
now marks, notice the angel said, "the Lord God" of the holy prophets, which means the God of the OT, and the NT. but the God of the OT and the NT is JESUS. so God in Revelation 1:1 is Jesus.
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Jesus is God! Yes!
But did you post this to make an anti-trinitarian thread?
YHWH is most certainly Jesus, we are in full agreement on that, just the same, you know I'm trinitarian.
But in your view, this could have been more simply written, after all, why say that God gave Jesus a revelation if what He's really saying is that Jesus gave Jesus a revelation? Doesn't that just make it more confusing?
The one who gives and the one who receives the gift are the same One?
The Father gives a revelation to the Son.
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NO, as the topic states, "UNDERSTOOD". be ye trinitarian, or not, the word of God is to be "UNDERSTOOD", now what one do with it is up to them.
answer, Isaiah 63:5 "And I looked, and there was none to help; and I wondered that there was none to uphold: therefore mine own arm brought salvation unto me; and my fury, it upheld me". so Marks who is the "ARM" of God? see, the word of God is truth, hence the TRUTH, or the "REVELATION".... "UNDERSTOOD".
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OK, we've been around this one before. I'm sorry, I thought you were looking to do a verse by verse study, and I thought I'd contribute, but I'm not into another trinitarian debate.
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You realize that what I'm not interested in is the trinitarian debate, which is what you've been responding to me with. I am always interested in a verse by verse study of any part of Scripture.
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The Opening of the Book or the Letter begins with who this letter is about and from. the book or this letter is about the Lord Jesus Christ himself. meaning there is some revelation about the Lord Jesus that we need to know. (a) of him being the Christ. (b) of the Lord Jesus being the NEW CREATION. (c) the Lord Jesus return as God Almighty. from his earthly beginning of flesh and bone with blood, to his glorified stated in flesh and bone without blood. this is interesting in the fact that God gave the Lord Jesus revelations about himself. to understand this lack of knowledge about himself concerning certain future events to come, see the topic question “if the Lord Jesus is God how come he don’t know his return date?”. with that answered, we will continue our present study.
This revelation is to show us the things that must shortly come to pass. question, what things?, the future. but if it was shortly in John’s day, now over two thousand year have passed, what do shortly means?. answer, 2 Peter 3:8 "But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day”. from this verse alone, it have only been approx two days (in God time) that have past. also verse 1 states, “he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John”. the question comes to mind “who is the he that sent his angel?”. good question, was it the one called father?, or the one called the Son?. this son is one of God's title in the Latter day, Hebrews 1:1 "God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,Hebrews 1:2 "Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
Hebrews 1:3 "Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
conclusion to verse 1: the Lord Jesus is God, what a revelation. at the very first verse we get a revelation of a life time.
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This revelation is to show us the things that must shortly come to pass. question, what things?, the future. but if it was shortly in John’s day, now over two thousand year have passed, what do shortly means?. answer, 2 Peter 3:8 "But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day”. from this verse alone, it have only been approx two days (in God time) that have past. also verse 1 states, “he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John”. the question comes to mind “who is the he that sent his angel?”. good question, was it the one called father?, or the one called the Son?. this son is one of God's title in the Latter day, Hebrews 1:1 "God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,Hebrews 1:2 "Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
Hebrews 1:3 "Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
conclusion to verse 1: the Lord Jesus is God, what a revelation. at the very first verse we get a revelation of a life time.
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Yes!
I've been looking forward to that date for a long time to see if that's it or not.
So glad someone else sees this.
yes, this is what these forums are for, to have imput and many think alike. please post what you have, because we all are learningYes!
I've been looking forward to that date for a long time to see if that's it or not.
So glad someone else sees this.
thank for the insight.
in my next post I'll give my understand of Hosea 6:2 "After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight".
PS, to all, this topic was not started for argument, but for knowledge and information. if one have knowledge or an understanding on something please post it.
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Stumpmaster
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This thread could be edyfying. Thanks for starting it 101G. I "understand" you contribute to numerous Christian-oriented internet forums so you will know how rarely a consensus of opinion is arrived at. Fortunately blessings come from reading, hearing, and keeping the contents of the Book of Revelation, not necessarily having a perfect understanding of all its imagery, metaphors, symbols, and patterns etc...
Rev 1:3
(3) Blessed is he that reads, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.
101G, in your opinion, do you believe that the Book of Revelation also shows the past as well as the future?
I'm looking at this verse...
Revelation 1:19
"Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter"
I see it as...
Hast Seen = John's Past (perhaps some OT information?)
Which Are = John's Present Time
Shall Be Hereafter = John's Future
Do I have it correct?
Thanks.
Correct. if i may, I know that we're going verse by verse, and chapter by chapter. but the Holy Spirit gave me a quick understand of the book if one start at chapter 12 at Christ birth and work back to the 7 letters to the 7 churches, and pick back up at chapter 13 and onto the end of the book one could see the whole picture. but we'll go from 1-22.
so yes you are correct.
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GISMYS_7
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Little men just can't seem to get their mind around the fact that God is outside time and God must look at time like a line drawn in the sand. aT one end of the line, God can now still see Adam and the other end He can see the end of this age. So God could see that Adam would choose sin and that Jesus would be sent to earth to give His blood and life on that Roman cross to pay our sin debt which is a very good thing for us but those that did the
crucifixion were doing evil for evil reasons!!! Try to think and understand!
Almighty God is the Alpha and the Omega=the Beginning and the End. God knows little men's thoughts before he can think them. God gave us choice but He knows what our choice was before we were born as God is outside time and God has already seen this movie we call life but remember just because God already knows what we choose IT WAS ALL OUR CHOICE!
Yes!!! God is outside time!!! Psalms 139:16
. "You saw me before I was born.
Every day of my life was recorded in your books
. Every moment was laid out before a single day had passed."
God's elect"?? ==== God's elect are those that God knows will choose to believe and accept Jesus as their Lord and Savior!!
crucifixion were doing evil for evil reasons!!! Try to think and understand!
Almighty God is the Alpha and the Omega=the Beginning and the End. God knows little men's thoughts before he can think them. God gave us choice but He knows what our choice was before we were born as God is outside time and God has already seen this movie we call life but remember just because God already knows what we choose IT WAS ALL OUR CHOICE!
Yes!!! God is outside time!!! Psalms 139:16
. "You saw me before I was born.
Every day of my life was recorded in your books
. Every moment was laid out before a single day had passed."
God's elect"?? ==== God's elect are those that God knows will choose to believe and accept Jesus as their Lord and Savior!!
That is the first step to wandering off into the wilderness. But, I guess there is no stopping anyone bound and determined to make a crystal ball out of prophesy.
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