The Born Again Prophecy from Jesus

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Jesus was always looking forward to the birth of the New Testament plan of salvation, of which he says...

John 7:38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.
[39] (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)

and another scripture, looking forward...

John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.


After Jesus was glorified, we continue the narrative in the book of Acts...

Acts 2:1 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.
[2] And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.
[3] And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
[4] And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

Acts 2:6 Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language.

Acts 2:37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
[38] Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
[39] For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

We also read in John chapter 3...

[3] Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
[8] The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

Jesus was talking about Born Again (born from above). He made a parallel between the natural and spiritual. Nicodemus thought natural, as he did not yet understand Jesus alluded to something that would come, the New Testament plan of salvation.

Since Jesus was using the analogy of birth, he further included the sound thereof which is for everyone that is born of the spirit.

The parallel is a baby is born here in the natural and cries, thereby we know LIFE has just BIRTHED forth. The same as we are born of the spirit we cry Abba father and magnify God speaking in tongues as the spirit gives the utterance.

This is the sound Jesus spoke of. In the spiritual realm there is a mighty rushing wind, in the natural we hear speaking in other tongues (and remember, this is for EVERYONE)...

Acts 2:2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.
[3] And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
[4] And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.


Now Jesus said in John 3:5 "Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God."

Jesus was looking forward in time pointing to the New Testament plan of salvation, which Peter and all the apostle with him, gave in Acts 2...

[38] Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

This was the fulfillment which Jesus had alluded to. This is the salvation which is forever settled in heaven. We are still the N.T. church, and this is how we are saved. Man has changed but God's plan has never changed.

Anyone with faith in Christ can have the New Birth and they too will enter into the kingdom speaking in tongues, magnifying God because we have the promise...

Acts 2:39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

God has not stopped calling.


In conclusion:

The prophecy of Jesus...

[8] The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit....

The fulfillment of the prophecy of Jesus...

Acts 2:2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.


The way into the prophecy of Jesus for everyone at Pentecost, pertaining to John 3:5-8...

38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

When Jesus told Nicodemus that they must be born AGAIN of water AND Spirit, he was speaking of the future Acts 2 experience and obedience to water baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins....Spirit birth AND water baptismal birth.
 

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So both faith and baptism are required?
Yes...

16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Believing without baptism will damn someone.

Baptism without believing will damn someone.

Bot elements are required together to be saved.

A perfect illustration is found here....



36 And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?

37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

38 And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.
 

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great perspectives here


The only thing more I would include, is Baptism by immersion (not sprinkling)...

Romans 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
[5] For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
[6] Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

Thank you.
 
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The only thing more I would include, is Baptism by immersion (not sprinkling)...

Romans 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
[5] For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
[6] Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

Thank you.
Thank you and please feel free to post your opinions here.

And yes, water baptism(immersion) in the name of Jesus is being planted WITH him and being baptized INTO him.

There is no other way to get "with" or "into" Christ.
 

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So Jesus lied when he said to the repentant, but unbaptised thief, ' today you will be with me in paradise. '
Paul lied when he said it is by grace you are saved through faith which is the gift of God, not by works of baptism so no one can boast.
 

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So Jesus lied when he said to the repentant, but unbaptised thief, ' today you will be with me in paradise. '
Paul lied when he said it is by grace you are saved through faith which is the gift of God, not by works of baptism so no one can boast.


Thank you for your comment.
The thief on the cross died before the death, burial, resurrection of Jesus.

Hebrews 9:17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.

The New Testament church was born in the book of Acts, when the day of Pentecost was fully come.
 

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Yes...

16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Believing without baptism will damn someone.

Baptism without believing will damn someone.

Bot elements are required together to be saved.

A perfect illustration is found here....



36 And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?

37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

38 And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.

good work!

Baptism according to the commandment of Matt 28:19?
 

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So Jesus lied when he said to the repentant, but unbaptised thief, ' today you will be with me in paradise. '
Paul lied when he said it is by grace you are saved through faith which is the gift of God, not by works of baptism so no one can boast.
That event happened under the Law before Pentecost and Acts 2:38 was made the requirement to be saved under Grace.
 

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Thank you for your comment.
The thief on the cross died before the death, burial, resurrection of Jesus.

Hebrews 9:17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.

The New Testament church was born in the book of Acts, when the day of Pentecost was fully come.

He died having expressed faith in Jesus and without baptism.
Your post is that baptism is esential for salvation. He was not baptised.
 
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That event happened under the Law before Pentecost and Acts 2:38 was made the requirement to be saved under Grace.

Jesus told Nicodemous that who ever believes in me /Jesus shall not perish but have ever lasting life.

There is no requirement for any other event.
 
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Yes, which was fulfilled in Acts 2:38.

Matt 28:19 = Acts 2:38.

The name of all 3 titles is Jesus.

True Christians believe in one God in three persons but I’ve Never heard of the three persons of the trinity are Jesus???
 

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He died having expressed faith in Jesus and without baptism.
Your post is that baptism is esential for salvation. He was not baptised.
Jesus had not instituted the new covenant until 43 days after the thief died.
 

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Jesus told Nicodemous that who ever believes in me /Jesus shall not perish but have ever lasting life.

There is no requirement for any other event.
Jesus debunked himself here?...

16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
 

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True Christians believe in one God in three persons but I’ve Never heard of the three persons of the trinity are Jesus???
If there are 3 persons...

The Father person's name is "Father"?

the son person's name is "son"?

The Holy Ghost person's name is "Holy Ghost?

Is your name "father, son and husband"?


This can help...

 

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acts 2:38 does not say baptize in the name of Jesus???
It indeed does say in the name of Jesus, which is the singular name of the 3 titles Jesus spoke of per Matt 28:19.