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    Deuteronomy 28:38
    [38] Thou shalt carry much seed out into the field, and shalt gather but little in; for the locust shall consume (devour) it.

    Joel 1:2-4
    [2] Hear this, ye old men, and give ear, all ye inhabitants of the land. Hath this been in your days, or even in the days of your fathers? [3] Tell ye your children of it, and let your children tell their children, and their children another generation. [4] That which the palmerworm hath left hath the locust eaten; and that which the locust hath left hath the cankerworm eaten; and that which the cankerworm hath left hath the caterpiller eaten.

    James 5:1-4
    [1] Go to now, ye rich men, weep and howl for your miseries that shall come upon you . [2] Your riches are corrupted, and your garments (coverings) are motheaten. [3] Your gold and silver is cankered; and the rust of them shall be a witness against you, and shall eat (devour)your flesh as it were fire. Ye have heaped treasure together for the last days. [4] Behold, the hire of the labourers who have reaped down your fields, which is of you kept back by fraud, crieth: and the cries of them which have reaped are entered into the ears of the Lord of sabaoth.

    Revelation 9:7-9
    [7] And the shapes of the locusts were like unto horses prepared unto battle; and on their heads were as it were crowns like gold, and their faces were as the faces of men. [8] And they had hair as the hair of women, and their teeth were as the teeth of lions. [9] And they had breastplates, as it were breastplates of iron; and the sound of their wings was as the sound of chariots of many horses running to battle.

    “...running to battle.” To devour the flesh as it were fire. A “witness” against those (heaping treasure unto yourself) which have kept them (others)back by fraud.

    Matthew 3:3-4
    [3] For this is he that was spoken of by the prophet Esaias, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight. [4] And the same John had his raiment of camel's hair, and a leathern girdle about his loins; and his meat was locusts and wild honey.

    2 Timothy 2:15-17
    [15] Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. [16] But shun profane and (unprofitable fleshly) vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness. [17] And their word will eat(devour) as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus;

    Joel 2:21-29
    [21] Fear not, O land; be glad and rejoice: for the Lord will do great things. [22] Be not afraid, ye beasts of the field: for the pastures of the wilderness do spring, for THE tree(of Life) beareth her fruit, the fig tree and the vine do yield their strength. [23] Be glad then, ye children of Zion, and rejoice in the Lord your God: for he hath given you the former rain moderately, and he will cause to come down for you the rain, the former rain, and the latter rain in the first month . [24] And the floors shall be full of wheat, and the vats shall overflow with wine and oil. [25] And I will restore to you the years that the locust hath eaten, the cankerworm, and the caterpiller, and the palmerworm, my (God’s) great army which I (He)sent among you(Us). [26] And ye shall eat in plenty, and be satisfied, and praise the name of the Lord your God, that hath dealt wondrously with you: and my people shall never be ashamed. [27] And ye shall know that I am in the midst of Israel,(even today) and that I am the Lord your God, and none else: and my people shall never be ashamed. [28] And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions: [29] And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit.
     
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    “His meat will be locusts...” Power given to John over the enemy sent to devour and consume. Turning many hearts of the children of Israel to the Lord their God. Similar to: Luke 10:19 Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you.

    2 Chronicles 20:33
    [33] Howbeit the high places were not taken away: for as yet the people had not prepared their hearts unto the God of their fathers.

    Malachi 4:5-6
    [5] Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord : [6] And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.

    Luke 1:13-17 But the angel said unto him, Fear not, Zacharias: for thy prayer is heard; and thy wife Elisabeth shall bear thee a son, and thou shalt call his name John. [14] And thou shalt have joy and gladness; and many shall rejoice at his birth. [15] For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb. [16] And many of the children of Israel shall he turn to the Lord their God. [17] And he shall go before him in the spirit and power of Elias, to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just; to make ready a people prepared for the Lord.

    Jonah 4:6-11
    And the Lord God prepared a gourd, and made it to come up over Jonah, that it might be a shadow over his head, to deliver him from his grief.

    So Jonah was exceeding glad of the gourd. But God prepared a worm when the morning rose the next day, and it smote the gourd that it withered.

    And it came to pass, when the sun did arise, that God prepared a vehement east wind; and the sun beat upon the head of Jonah, that he fainted, and wished in himself to die, and said, It is better for me to die than to live.

    And God said to Jonah, Doest thou well to be angry for the gourd?

    And he said, I do well to be angry, even unto death.

    Then said the Lord , Thou hast had pity on the gourd, for the which thou hast not laboured, neither madest it grow; which came up in a night, and perished in a night: [11] And should not I spare Nineveh, that great city, wherein are more than sixscore thousand persons that cannot discern between their right hand and their left hand; and also much cattle?

    Revelation 9:6
    [6] And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.

     
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    does anyone else think we're close to America collapsing?
    :D
     
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    Are you fearful?
     
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    Matthew 17:11-12
    [11] And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elias truly shall first come, and restore all things. [12] But I say unto you, That Elias is come already, and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they listed. Likewise shall also the Son of man suffer of them.

    Joel 2:25
    [25] And I will restore to you the years that the locust hath eaten, the cankerworm, and the caterpiller, and the palmerworm, my great army which I sent among you.

    Psalm 22:7-17
    [7] All they that see me laugh me to scorn: they shoot out the lip, they shake the head, saying , [8] He trusted on the Lord that he would deliver him: let him deliver him, seeing he delighted in him. [9] But thou art he that took me out of the womb: thou didst make me hope when I was upon my mother's breasts. [10] I was cast upon thee from the womb: thou art my God from my mother's belly. [11] Be not far from me; for trouble is near; for there is none to help. [12] Many bulls have compassed me: strong bulls of Bashan have beset me round. [13] They gaped upon me with their mouths, as a ravening and a roaring lion. [14] I am poured out like water, and all my bones are out of joint: my heart is like wax; it is melted in the midst of my bowels. [15] My strength is dried up like a potsherd; and my tongue cleaveth to my jaws; and thou hast brought me into the dust of death. [16] For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have inclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet. [17] I may tell all my bones: they look and stare upon me.
     
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    man, i pretty much live inside a miracle or something i guess; maybe i'm just a lot more ignorant than i let on lol
     
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    not sure your point there? but imo the Q is posed in the opening,
    1My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?

    Why are you so far from saving me,

    so far from my cries of anguish?

    and the answer to it is shrouded, right, or i mean what is the answer to this question?
     
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    I’m sorry. Been thinking about your comment since you posted it yesterday. “Does anyone else think we are close to America collapsing?” I couldn’t tell (especially with the emoji) how you meant it: seriously or as sarcasm. That is the only reply I could think of as your answer to if you are fearful may be beneficial, maybe even to me.

    Have you always lived in a miracle?
    When did this miracle happen?
     
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    The point there being the Revelation of Jesus Christ(Man restoration to God) is what restores what the cankerworm has eaten. “Their worm dieth not.” We see this in Job being restored more abundantly. Job 42:12-13 So the Lord blessed the latter end of Job more than his beginning: for he had fourteen thousand sheep, and six thousand camels, and a thousand yoke of oxen, and a thousand she asses. [13] He had also seven sons and three daughters.

    James 5:11 Behold, we count them happy which endure. Ye have heard of the patience of Job, and have seen the end of the Lord; that the Lord is very pitiful, and of tender mercy.
     
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    What is the answer?
     
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    yes, always, doesn't mean i realized it though
    so, as to when did i realize it, basically yesterday lol, i'm still realizing it
    i essentially read about this contemporary guy--who lived in our time iow--who was taken up to the third heaven--whether in the body or out of it i don't know--who had a conversation with some...one who lived or was present in the Dark Ages, and the guy was telling the one how bad things were here on earth, and while the one wasn't exactly laughing at him or anything there were these two films playing behind him side by side, one with a movie from the Dark Ages and another from contemporary life, and when they got to the part where the DA lady is carrying water back from a 5 mile trek to get it, in the snow, uphill both ways, oh and of course she was pregnant too, and the other lady is turning on a tap to get hot water, well the guy just got really quiet and started looking for a tree to hide behind, only there weren't any
     
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    granted, but imo let's get back to why God had forsaken them for a sec?
    amen, but what we don't see is Job's sin, right, Job's confessions--plural--are overlooked in the story, bc Job was "a righteous man," and the diff in his description there v say Noah's is not reflected upon imo, Job becomes a story about a sinless guy who God just capriciously decided to nonetheless teach some lesson that is never quite clarified, or more often worse, gets clarified into "why do bad things happen to good people?" or some similar tripe

    these two quotes are dealing with the same thing iow imo
     
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    Be thankful (today) for trees.:):D
     
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    Could say about hiding behind trees...Isaiah 66:16-17 For by fire and by his sword will the Lord plead with all flesh: and the slain of the Lord shall be many. [17] They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one tree in the midst, eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the Lord .
     
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    Joel is speaking about an unprecedented judgment -- the total destruction of their crops -- which came upon the Jews because of their idolatry and disobedience. In the book of Deuteronomy God had set before Israel blessings and curses. Blessings for obedience and curses for disobeying God. And here we see one of those curses in effect.
     
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    Why this subject is important to me(maybe to me only and that is okay since He speaks to us all differently) but: it was an answer to a prayer, or a question. Who is God really? What Is His will? because man tells conflicting stories, sometimes, of a God I’m not so sure I know (or even of one I’m not sure I want to know.)

    Slaughter them all! Destroy the wicked and ungodly!! but keep me and be gracious and merciful to me Oh Lord.

    So I asked Him...is that how we are to be? And wrong or not it seemed He lead me to: Jonah sat in a pout and waited with anticipation for his neighbors destruction...

    Jonah 4:3-11
    [3] Therefore now, O Lord , take, I beseech thee, my life from me; for it is better for me to die than to live.
    Then said the Lord , Doest thou well to be angry?
    So Jonah went out of the city, and sat on the east side of the city, and there made him a booth, and sat under it in the shadow, till he might see what would become of the city.
    And the Lord God prepared a gourd, and made it to come up over Jonah, that it might be a shadow over his head, to deliver him from his grief. So Jonah was exceeding glad of the gourd.
    But God prepared a worm when the morning rose the next day, and it smote the gourd that it withered.
    And it came to pass, when the sun did arise, that God prepared a vehement east wind; (Genesis 41:6) (Job 27:21)(Job 38:23-24) and the sun beat upon the head of Jonah, that he fainted, and wished in himself to die, and said, It is better for me to die than to live.
    And God said to Jonah, Doest thou well to be angry for the gourd? And he said, I do well to be angry, even unto death.
    Then said the Lord , Thou hast had pity on the gourd, for the which thou hast not laboured, neither madest it grow; which came up in a night, and perished in a night: [11] And should not I spare Nineveh, that great city, wherein are more than sixscore thousand persons that cannot discern between their right hand and their left hand; and also much cattle?
     
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    Yes. Their crops(their labors and increase.) destroyed. “You will cast out seed and bring in very little.” But His seed (the Word) will bring increase. “Sow to the Spirit and not the flesh”. Do not all those plagues and locust, death of the first born all coming upon Egypt... all of it...”let My people go so that they may serve Me.” if you laid it over the book of Revelation...they are companions. The beginning and the end. Are you determined to make it stay literal? Revelation 9:7-8 And the shapes of the locusts were like unto horses prepared unto battle; and on their heads were as it were crowns like gold, and their faces were as the faces of men. [8] And they had hair as the hair of women, and their teeth were as the teeth of lions.
     
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    well, it isn't pretty ok, thank God i am the question guy and not the answer guy lol.
    Answer guys are not hard to find here i guess.
    sorry, not meaning to be coy, let's see how it develops for a day ok, bc when this is answered truthfully and the extrapolation is made, lives are changed, but it is no fun in the moment. Fwiw do not do this study at your local church after you have learned the answer ok, unless you really love them or really hate them
    imo
     
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    Ok. I hope you do come back and share it. I’ll be here tripping over a corpse...
     
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    um ya, this one :)
     
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