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The Case FOR The Triune GodHead!

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    NO Triune GodHead? Well, Precious friends, According To The HOLY Scriptures!:

    The THREE-In-ONE GodHead!

    {aka "The Case FOR The Trinity!"}

    Concerning critics teaching "NO such THREE Are ONE GodHead! Doctrine":

    (A) The Holy Spirit Is The God That "Ananias And Sapphira lied to!"
    (Acts 5 : 3-4 KJB!).

    (B) The Holy Spirit IS The God That Raised JESUS CHRIST From The Dead!,
    (Romans 8 : 9-11 cp 1 Corinthians 6 : 14; 2 Corinthians 4 : 14; 1 Peter 3 : 18)

    (C) The Holy Spirit IS The Omnipresent God That Dwells IN All "believers,"
    Being The "Blessed Teacher!," For: Understanding!
    (Romans 8 : 9-11 cp 1 Corinthians 3 : 16, 6 : 19, 2 : 13!)

    Is JESUS CHRIST The Almighty God? What Saith The Pure
    And Holy Written WORD Of God, The SCRIPTURES?


    The First 13 { of 150+ } SCRIPTURAL “Reasons” {Evidence!}
    JESUS CHRIST Is Almighty God:


    1) God Was Manifest In The Flesh! (1 Timothy 3 : 16)
    JESUS CHRIST Was Manifest In The Flesh! (John 1 : 14)

    2) JESUS CHRIST Is EMMANUEL
    “interpreted = God With us!" (Matthew 1 : 21-23)

    3) The SON, JESUS CHRIST Is Called
    God, By HIS Own Father!
    (Hebrews 1 : 8)

    4) JESUS CHRIST Is Called
    The Great God And Saviour!
    (Titus 2 : 13)

    5) JESUS CHRIST Is Called
    The Mighty God!
    (Isaiah 9 : 6 cp Jeremiah 32 : 18)

    6) JESUS CHRIST Is Called
    The True God And Eternal Life!
    (1 John 5 : 20)

    7) JESUS CHRIST Is Over All, God,
    Blessed For Ever. Amen!
    (Romans 9 : 5)

    8) ALL the angels of God Worship HIM!
    (Hebrews 1 : 6), therefore, It Is Impossible
    for JESUS CHRIST to be = “Michael the archANGEL!”

    Therefore, All The “Evidence” In The Pure And Holy WORD Of God
    Plainly And Clearly Teaches All
    “humble” students that:

    JESUS CHRIST Is God Almighty! Amen?

    9) JESUS CHRIST was WORSHIPPED!
    (Matthew 2 : 11, 14 : 33, 28 : 9; Luke 24 : 52)
    Not once did JESUS Say, "See thou do it not,"
    as "an angel NOT to be worshipped," spoke
    in Revelation 19 : 10, And, 22 : 8-9!

    Since ONLY The LORD God is to be worshipped!
    (Exodus 34 : 14; Psalms 29 : 2, 45 : 11, 86 : 9, et al;
    Matthew 4 : 10; Luke 4 : 8; Revelation 22 : 9):

    Holy SCRIPTURE Clearly Teaches us JESUS CHRIST Is God!


    10) Every knee shall bow, and "every tongue"
    shall confess to GOD!
    (Romans 14 : 11; Isaiah 45 : 21-23).

    The GOD
    "every tongue is confessing to,”
    Is The LORD JESUS CHRIST! (Philippians 2 : 11)

    to be continued...
     
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    The Case FOR The Triune GodHead!

    Continued from Previous:

    11) JESUS CHRIST Is Called The SAVIOUR!
    (Luke 2 : 11; Acts 5 : 30-31, 13 : 23; Titus 1 : 4, 2 : 13)
    (2 Peter 1 : 1, 11, 2 : 20, 3 : 18, 1 John 4 : 14)

    ONLY Jehovah God ALONE Is The SAVIOUR!
    (Isaiah 43 : 3, 11, 45 : 15, 21; Hosea 13 : 4; Luke 1 : 47)
    (1 Timothy 1 : 1, 2 : 3, 4 : 10; Titus 1 : 3, 2 : 10, 3 : 4; Jude 1 : 25)

    Therefore, JESUS CHRIST Is God!

    12) JESUS CHRIST Forgave sins! (Matthew 9 : 2; Mark 2 : 5)
    ONLY GOD Can Forgive sins! (Mark 2 : 7)

    Pure And Holy SCRIPTURE Teaches us (Titus 2 : 13):

    JESUS CHRIST Is The Great God, The
    Only Saviour Who Can Forgive
    sin!!

    If we Deny HIS Deity, how can HE FORGIVE us our sins?
    After all, It is Only God's OWN BLOOD (Acts 20 : 28 KJB!),
    That Has Power To "CLEANSE
    us From ALL sin!" Amen?

    And, Finally, WHO Is God, The JUDGE Of All?

    13) God Almighty Is The JUDGE Of All!

    And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest
    them which do such things, and doest the
    same, that thou shalt escape The Judgment Of God?…

    ...But after thy hardness and impenitent heart
    treasurest up unto thyself Wrath against
    The Day Of Wrath and Revelation Of
    The Righteous JUDGMENT Of God! (Romans 2 : 3, 5)

    ...God The JUDGE of all!...God Will JUDGE!… (Hebrews 12 : 23, 13 : 4)
    ...Strong Is The LORD God Who JUDGES!... (Revelation 18 : 8)

    JESUS CHRIST Is God, Because All The Verses In The Holy BIBLE,
    That Talk About GOD Being The JUDGE, Must Refer To JESUS CHRIST,
    Since HE Alone JUDGES! The Father JUDGES no man!
    (John 5 : 22)

    The Father Has Committed All JUDGMENT
    To His SON, The LORD JESUS CHRIST!
    ! (John 5 : 22) Why?

    "That All men should honour The SON, even as
    they honour The Father. He that honoureth not The SON
    honoureth not The Father Who Hath Sent HIM!
    " (John 5 : 23)

    JW's, SDA's, Unitarians, And All Dear Readers, do you Really Honor The SON?
    Only God Almighty Is The RIGHTEOUS Judge = The LORD JESUS CHRIST!

    Precious friend(s) Will you Now... Completely 100% “trust” (believe, place faith in)

    The LORD JESUS CHRIST, HIS Precious BLOOD, And HIS Resurrection!!

    to “Receive Forgiveness Of All your sins”?
    and go to The Judgment Seat Of CHRIST
    for “rewards,” (1 Corinthians 3 : 8-15)

    OR... ?...will you die in UNbelief (trusting in
    “religion, religious works, men's false
    teachings or Any “Other deeds” Other Than:

    JESUS CHRIST, HIS BLOOD, And HIS Resurrection!,

    and go to:

    The Great White Throne Judgment Of
    GOD ALMIGHTY [ JESUS CHRIST ]

    and perish in Eternal Condemnation?
    (Revelation 20 : 11-15)

    Precious friend(s), Are you “religious” or is your “sin FORGIVEN," so
    that you Are Ready for God's RIGHTEOUS Judgment?
     
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    JESUS IS GOD !!!
     
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    Awesome post.
     
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    Thanks So Much - Appreciate the Encouragement!

    See you in God’s Great GloryLand! ↑ :)
     
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    I am not a Trinitarian, but I do believe in the HS, Jesus and the Father. I just don't see a reason to separate them. The Trinity theory says they are all the same, but distinct and separate "persons". But not really because the are the same (but different). But just because they are different persons doesn't mean they aren't the same, because they are the same while also not being the same... Because they are different (but still the same, but not really).

    Get my drift? Did you follow all that? Me neither! Thats why I am not a Trinitarian.
     
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    IF we don't "get it," Then we simply believe it, by FAITH! Amen?
     
  8. robert derrick

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    Yes, I get the drift of your error: You are disingenuously trying to make 'distinct' the same as 'separate'. They are not. There is a distinct difference between two, but that is not the same as distinctly separate.

    In a marriage two are distinct persons but not separate, as in separated. When they separate, either by death of by desertion, then no more marriage. Marriage before God is dependent on two people (man and woman) becoming one: one flesh. So with God, two distinct persons, Father and Son, One God. I and the Father are One. Not the same Person, but 2 distinct Persons perfect in unity.

    They are also the same in nature: divine everlasting nature, of which we partake in Jesus (2 Peter 1), neither being 'created'. Each is the true God. Each a distinct Person in the Godhead, each being of the same divine and eternal nature.

    Your confusion which causes you to rant in a confused way at the end, is due to your basic error of a Spiritually Scriptural doctrine of the Godhead. In the Spirit, nothing is impossible with God. But the carnal mind gets confused by such things, when it tries to compute it physically and carnally.

    But, that's ok. You don't have to necessarily believe the Godhead as 3 Persons, so long as you are firm of faith in Jesus as Lord and God.

    I.e. you can be 'Oneness', as in only One Person in the the Godhead, and the Son and the Father are the same Person, and still be headed to glory. Even though Oneness is false. We are to be one, even as the Son and the Father are one (John 17), and therefore the Father and the Son must be 2 Peron's in unity, because Jesus is not praying that I will be you, and you me, as though the Son were the Father, and the Father is the Son...

    It's just when people go off the rails into an heretical and cultish doctrine that the Son is a created being or 'god', well, that's when people go off into an heretical and cultish doctrine.
     
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    Since this (at least for the time being) is a sincere and honest discussion on the Godhead, I want to offer a solution to something that must be addressed, if the Father and the Son are to be distinct Persons: I.e. Each One is the true God.

    As you showed above, the only sensical reading of 1 John 5:20, is that 'This is the true God', must refer to Jesus Christ, He that is true. And so the Son of God Jesus Christ is the true God.

    And yet in John 17, Jesus Christ on earth is praying to His Father in heaven (17:1), and plainly states that the Father is 'the only true God.' (17:3)

    Now, there is no conflict here with the Son and the Father each being the true God (John 17:3) (1 John 5:20), and both being the true God together. That is the mystery of God and the Godhead revealed to His Church, known as the 'trinity' doctrine of 3 Persons in the Godhead, each being God, the true God, individually and all three together: God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Ghost.

    The single apparent conflict is with the word 'only'. Since I have preached to others that 'going to the Greek' is not necessary in order to prove the First principles of the doctrine of God (Heb 5 & 6), and in fact many times people deliberately go to the Greek to change the plain written meaning of Scripture in English.

    And so entirely with the English at hand, I believe an answer is found in that Jesus was praying to the Father in heaven, while the Son was upon the earth. And I add to this the fact that in the English 'only' and 'alone' can be interchangeable while meaning the same thing. "I only am here" and 'I am here alone".

    If indeed One true God, the Word, was with the One true God, the Father, from everlasting, then they were both in heaven together, until One came down out of heaven to be born a man upon the earth (John 3). (Not just a pre-appearance, but born of a woman by God the Spirit)

    And if so, then the true God, the Word, became flesh upon the earth, while the true God, the Father, remained alone in heaven.

    And so now, for the First time in the everlasting heaven (which is the Last time prophesied to come (1 John 2)), there is only One true God alone in heaven, while the true God, the Son, is living as a man born of flesh upon the earth.

    The true God the Word at this time is for the First time called the Son of God in Scripture. Before that time, this mystery of God and the Godhead was hid until the fullness of the last time come, when God would no longer speak by His prophets, but rather God the Word would speak to us Himself as the Son (Heb 1).

    "And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God 'alone in heaven', and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent."

    'Only' implies the true God exclusively. 'Alone' can mean the only true God there in heaven, while the true God the Word came down from heaven upon the earth, no longer with the true God and Father remaining in heaven alone.

    And this case of 'One true God in heaven, and One true God upon the earth' is where the Scripture is accomplished:
    "The LORD he is God in heaven above, and upon the earth beneath."

    I am not saying this is a proven teaching, but it certainly is possible and in compliance with Scripture, without any contradiction.
     
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    Already in Genesis 1:1 we see that there are at least three distinct persons that created the heavens and the earth.

    The word "God" in verse one is the plural Hebrew word "Elohim." In Hebrew:
    Singular means "one."
    Dual means "two."
    Plural means at least "three or more."

    In the English language we only have singular meaning "one," and plural meaning "two or more."

    Therefore Genesis 1:1 should be rendered this way: "In the beginning, Gods "they" created the heavens and the earth!"

    Again in Genesis 1:26 "us" and "our" are plural words meaning at least three or more. Yet in verse 27 the pronoun is singular.

    Can anyone really understand the Godhead, especially after reading 2 Corinthians 13:14?

    To God Be The Glory
     
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    Non-TRinnies and Not-Godders are just bugs on the windshield of Christianity
     
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    Robert, if you want to call what I had to say disingenuous and a rant that is fine. I didn't intend either, although i could easily charge you with the same.

    Furthermore, you have done the same as many others before you: trying to draw parallels which don't fit properly to prove the trinity theory. Man and woman are one flesh: true. Jesus and the Father and the Holy Ghost aren't married though. Jesus and the Church are married and one flesh and spirit. Even with that, spiritually I wouldn't call them distinct OR separate. And frankly, anyone who calls a husband and wife or Jesus and his Church distinct or separate is lacking in spiritual thinking.

    Trinitarians chose to call the separate or distinct persons... Fine, I do not and I have plenty of verses to back me up.
     
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    Why must we believe a 5th century doctrine by faith that no one can explain n those before didn't believe it?
     
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    That's almost as good as JESUS IS GOD!
     
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    Fine, I do and I have plenty of verses to back me up

    And so it stands. And as I said, you be Oneness, and I will not, and we can still be Jesus-loving Christians together.

    And I never said the Son and the Father are married, which is obvious to anyone. I only pointed out that 'Marriage' on earth, the first declared prophecy on earth in Gen 2, is a physical relationship of 2 persons on earth, that points to the spiritual relationship of the Godhead of 3 persons in heaven.

    Even as man and woman were made in Their image, so is marriage inspired by Their Godhead relationship.

    I think that sounded pretty could. (Is their an emogi for patting self on the back?)
     
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    And that is one of the better explanations of the trinity I've read.
     
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    Act 5:3

    But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?

    Act 5:4

    Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.

    Hoo-wah! Holy Ghost be GOD!
     
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    right!
     
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    Isa 9:6

    For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

    Hoo-Wah! The Son be God too!

    Get the Non-Trinnies and the Not-Godders outta here!
     
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    Hoo-wah? You mean as in Ranger hoo-wah?

    Yes, but when he lied to the holy ghost, he was not lying to God. It was only when he lied to God, that he was lying to the holy ghost...

    You see? (And please refer to my post, which has much Greek in it, as do all my posts, on how much study in the Greek will clarify my rarified position here)
     
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