The Children of Israel

[Rocky Wiley]

Israel (yiśrâ'êl)
yis-raw-ale'
From H8280 and H410; he will rule as God; Jisrael, a symbolical name of Jacob; also (typically) of his posterity: - Israel.
There is one with the symbolical name (Jacob) and another which is the true Israel (Jesus).
The church of today has been deceived into believing that the children of Israel (Jacob) are all the children of God. While we can see below that Paul said “the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God”.

Rom 9:5 Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.
Rom 9:6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
Note: they are not all Israel (children of God) just because they were all born of Israel (Jacob).

Rom 9:7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
Note: Abraham is the father of many children (faith), but from Isaac will come the seed (Jesus). We know that it is only by the grace of God that we can be saved.
Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:


Rom 9:8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise (faith) are counted for the seed.

When Paul speaks of the children of Israel being saved, he is speaking about those of faith, not those of the flesh.

Rom 9:30 What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith.
Rom 9:31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.
Rom 9:32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;
One can not obtain righteousness by the works of the law, only comes through faith.

Rom 9:33 As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

In conclusion, the true children of Israel are the children of Jesus (the true Israel). There is a way for everyone to be saved. It is the same for Jew and Gentile alike.
Joh 6:47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.

Rom 2:9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
Rom 2:10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:
Rom 2:11 For there is no respect of persons with God.


Isa 25:1 O LORD, thou art my God; I will exalt thee, I will praise thy name; for thou hast done wonderful things; thy counsels of old are faithfulness and truth.

 

[heretoeternity]

Good post, answers my question about whether the Israelis/Jews can find salvation in the Old Covenant without Jesus!

 

[sojourner4Christ]

The church of today has been deceived into believing that the children of Israel (Jacob) are all the children of God.

...In conclusion, the true children of Israel are the children of Jesus (the true Israel). There is a way for everyone to be saved. It is the same for Jew and Gentile alike.

Amen, Rocky Wiley!

The enormous problem with every worldview (including “Pre” and “Post-Tribulationists)” is a rudimentary misunderstanding of the Gospel itself. Jesus Christ repeatedly stated he came to save Israel – even as other verses state God loved the entire world enough to send his Son to redeem all who will respond to his call:

“I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel…the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world” (I John 4:14).

When we say that “Israel” rejected Christ, but those who did respond became members of the so called “Church” (a word associated with a generic group of people), we make Christ’s efforts to save Israel either a failure, or at the very least, an unfulfilled promise. The truth is, as Zecharias the father of John the Baptist proclaimed, Christ redeemed Israel in every way he promised:

“Blessed be the Lord God of Israel; for he hath visited and redeemed his people” (Luke 1:68).

As Jesus prayed the Father, looking throughout eternity, he flatly stated he had completed the work he was given, and had lost none of those the Father gave him:

“That the saying might be fulfilled, which he spake, Of them which thou gavest me have I lost none” (John 18:9).

There is no “Church” apart from Israel, and there never was. There is no “Israel” apart from Christ, and there never was.

After the cross, there is no physical Jew, and there is no physical Gentile – as EVERYTHING is delineated on a Spiritual plane. There are now Spiritual Jews (the same thing as a Spiritual Israelite), and there are Spiritual Gentiles – thus, all who are truly in Christ, who stand completely in him, with no reliance upon relationships based on flesh and blood, are the “All Israel” which is saved (Romans 11:26).

Those who claim the Jews are chosen in their flesh (whether they see themselves as members of the “Church,” or whether they profess themselves to be “Jews”) manifest the Spirit of Antichrist, for the Scriptures repeatedly show that God prophesied he was going to translate Israel into a Spiritual house (I Peter 2:5).

So called “Hebrew Roots” believers universally claim the Jews are chosen regardless of their belief (or lack thereof) in Christ – an abomination of the first magnitude. Every Rapturist (regardless of “Pre-Trib” or “Post-Trib” orientation) separates Israel from the fictional “Church” – so they are all preaching another Gospel.

When Jesus told the Disciples” I have chosen you” (John 15:19), he defined being “chosen” as one who is Spiritually regenerated in him – regardless of their physical lineage. Thus, the “Post-Tribulationists” are teaching the same apostasy as the “Pre-Tribulationists” when they profess Israel is still chosen on a physical basis – but God is not mocked, for he has revealed the truth to those he has chosen:

“But we are bound to give thanks always to God for you, brethren beloved of the LORD, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth” (II Thessalonians 2:3).

Ironically, the same Spiritual Stronghold which has been repeatedly detected in the “Pre-Tribulation Rapture” Cult also exists in the “Post-Tribulationists” who fail to hear the voice of the LORD in this matter – and it is directly related to the Strong Delusion which everyone has heard so much about.

“But ye brethren are not in darkness…Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness…For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth anything, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature. And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God” (I Thessalonians 5:4,5; Galatians 6:16).

 

[Rocky Wiley]

Good post, answers my question about whether the Israelis/Jews can find salvation in the Old Covenant without Jesus!

Thanks, heretoeternity,
I am glad it was able to help in your understanding.

May the Lord bless!

Amen, Rocky Wiley!

The enormous problem with every worldview (including “Pre” and “Post-Tribulationists)” is a rudimentary misunderstanding of the Gospel itself. Jesus Christ repeatedly stated he came to save Israel – even as other verses state God loved the entire world enough to send his Son to redeem all who will respond to his call:

“I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel…the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world” (I John 4:14).

When we say that “Israel” rejected Christ, but those who did respond became members of the so called “Church” (a word associated with a generic group of people), we make Christ’s efforts to save Israel either a failure, or at the very least, an unfulfilled promise. The truth is, as Zecharias the father of John the Baptist proclaimed, Christ redeemed Israel in every way he promised:

“Blessed be the Lord God of Israel; for he hath visited and redeemed his people” (Luke 1:68).

As Jesus prayed the Father, looking throughout eternity, he flatly stated he had completed the work he was given, and had lost none of those the Father gave him:

“That the saying might be fulfilled, which he spake, Of them which thou gavest me have I lost none” (John 18:9).

There is no “Church” apart from Israel, and there never was. There is no “Israel” apart from Christ, and there never was.

After the cross, there is no physical Jew, and there is no physical Gentile – as EVERYTHING is delineated on a Spiritual plane. There are now Spiritual Jews (the same thing as a Spiritual Israelite), and there are Spiritual Gentiles – thus, all who are truly in Christ, who stand completely in him, with no reliance upon relationships based on flesh and blood, are the “All Israel” which is saved (Romans 11:26).

Those who claim the Jews are chosen in their flesh (whether they see themselves as members of the “Church,” or whether they profess themselves to be “Jews”) manifest the Spirit of Antichrist, for the Scriptures repeatedly show that God prophesied he was going to translate Israel into a Spiritual house (I Peter 2:5).

So called “Hebrew Roots” believers universally claim the Jews are chosen regardless of their belief (or lack thereof) in Christ – an abomination of the first magnitude. Every Rapturist (regardless of “Pre-Trib” or “Post-Trib” orientation) separates Israel from the fictional “Church” – so they are all preaching another Gospel.

When Jesus told the Disciples” I have chosen you” (John 15:19), he defined being “chosen” as one who is Spiritually regenerated in him – regardless of their physical lineage. Thus, the “Post-Tribulationists” are teaching the same apostasy as the “Pre-Tribulationists” when they profess Israel is still chosen on a physical basis – but God is not mocked, for he has revealed the truth to those he has chosen:

“But we are bound to give thanks always to God for you, brethren beloved of the LORD, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth” (II Thessalonians 2:3).

Ironically, the same Spiritual Stronghold which has been repeatedly detected in the “Pre-Tribulation Rapture” Cult also exists in the “Post-Tribulationists” who fail to hear the voice of the LORD in this matter – and it is directly related to the Strong Delusion which everyone has heard so much about.

“But ye brethren are not in darkness…Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness…For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth anything, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature. And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God” (I Thessalonians 5:4,5; Galatians 6:16).

sojourner4Christ, An Amen to you as well!

Your additional quotes confirming this post will, hopefully, move those who have not yet studied this and other truths of God to do so.

Have a blessed day!