The Creator's Remorse

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session.
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• Gen 6:5 . . And the Lord saw that the evil of man was great in the earth,
and every imagination of his heart was only evil all the time.

Man's descent into depravity didn't catch his creator by surprise. After all;
not only can God see the future but He can also manipulate it; so He was
well aware even before beginning that the people He was about to create
were destined from day one for a global deluge.

Also, when God inspected His handiwork at Gen 1:31, He evaluated it not
just good, but "very" good. So as far as He was concerned; everything went
smoothly and according to plan-- nothing was broken, no parts were
missing, and nothing failed to mate with its matching part.

• Gen 6:6 . . And the Lord regretted that He had made man upon the earth,
and He became grieved in His heart.

When God created the people of man, it was no doubt with the awareness
that the day would come when He would have to put a number of them
down like dogs gone mad with rabies.

If it can be safely assumed that God saw man's depravity coming well in
advance-- prior to creating even one of the many forces, energies, and
particles that would go into the construction of the cosmos --then we have
to wonder why it is that He felt remorse for going ahead as planned. Surely
it wasn't because He made a terrible mistake. I seriously doubt that a
master architect with the creator's intelligence would fail to foresee every
possible ramification of their actions.

Well; it's at least comforting to know the destruction of life is not something
God enjoys as if He were an outdoor guy who kills fish and wildlife for sport
with no more sensitivity than a kid blasting aliens in a video game. Man's
creator knew the day was coming when He would have to do what He was
about to do next, and clearly wasn't looking forward to it, but nevertheless;
leaves us with unavoidable questions about His sanity because from a
rational perspective, God's procedures make no sense at all.

Anyway, aside from all that; it appears to me that God had high
expectations for the people of man, and was very disappointed that numbers
of them went bad; sort of like how parents feel when a kid, whom they've
given every privilege, every opportunity, and every advantage imaginable,
lets it all go overboard and somehow ends up incorrigible and a total failure
instead.

• Gen 6:7 . . And the Lord said: I will blot out man, whom I created, from
upon the face of the earth, from man to cattle to creeping thing, to the fowl
of the heavens, for I regret that I made them.
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[Ziggy]

I like your post!

So much in the Bible talks about marriage and finding a wife.
A family.
I mean you have kids you know they will disaapoint you.
But I don't think you expect them to hate you.

And from the get go, you find a nice girl, fall in love,
only to find out she's been fooling around,
not behind your back though because you see everything.
So it's like flaunting in front of your face.

You love your family so much, you bend over backwards trying yo keep itt alive.
But it just keeps falling apart and slipping farther and farther away.
So now your angry and jealous.
Not because that is what you want to feel, you dont want that at all.
You want love and joy and everyone to be happy.

And maybe there comes a time when you regret ever getting married in the first place.
You don't want a divorce but it just seems inevitable.
And the kids are destroying all the toys and the furniture.
They are having orgies in the back yard.
The bonfires get out of control, or someone forgets to shut off the water in the sink and
the house gets flooded.
So you know you have to have some form of insurance.
Question is:
Do you try and repair the damages, or just knock it down and begin again?

Deep thoughts first thing in the morning.
I'm still working on my first cup of coffee.
I hope you enjoy the Day!
HUGS

 

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Do you try and repair the damages, or just knock it down and begin
again?

God chose to renovate rather than demolish the whole business and start all
over again from scratch.
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[Ziggy]

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God chose to renovate rather than demolish the whole business and start all
over again from scratch.
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I don't know if the world is going to be so lucky the next time.
Looks like it will all just get tossed in a furnace and even the furnace gets cooked.
But I read in Revelatioin 21, He'll be getting a new wife and a new Kingdom and a new family
I hope we're in it..
HUGS

 

[justbyfaith]

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• Gen 6:5 . . And the Lord saw that the evil of man was great in the earth,
and every imagination of his heart was only evil all the time.

Man's descent into depravity didn't catch his creator by surprise. After all;
not only can God see the future but He can also manipulate it; so He was
well aware even before beginning that the people He was about to create
were destined from day one for a global deluge.

Also, when God inspected His handiwork at Gen 1:31, He evaluated it not
just good, but "very" good. So as far as He was concerned; everything went
smoothly and according to plan-- nothing was broken, no parts were
missing, and nothing failed to mate with its matching part.

• Gen 6:6 . . And the Lord regretted that He had made man upon the earth,
and He became grieved in His heart.

When God created the people of man, it was no doubt with the awareness
that the day would come when He would have to put a number of them
down like dogs gone mad with rabies.

If it can be safely assumed that God saw man's depravity coming well in
advance-- prior to creating even one of the many forces, energies, and
particles that would go into the construction of the cosmos --then we have
to wonder why it is that He felt remorse for going ahead as planned. Surely
it wasn't because He made a terrible mistake. I seriously doubt that a
master architect with the creator's intelligence would fail to foresee every
possible ramification of their actions.

Well; it's at least comforting to know the destruction of life is not something
God enjoys as if He were an outdoor guy who kills fish and wildlife for sport
with no more sensitivity than a kid blasting aliens in a video game. Man's
creator knew the day was coming when He would have to do what He was
about to do next, and clearly wasn't looking forward to it, but nevertheless;
leaves us with unavoidable questions about His sanity because from a
rational perspective, God's procedures make no sense at all.

Anyway, aside from all that; it appears to me that God had high
expectations for the people of man, and was very disappointed that numbers
of them went bad; sort of like how parents feel when a kid, whom they've
given every privilege, every opportunity, and every advantage imaginable,
lets it all go overboard and somehow ends up incorrigible and a total failure
instead.

• Gen 6:7 . . And the Lord said: I will blot out man, whom I created, from
upon the face of the earth, from man to cattle to creeping thing, to the fowl
of the heavens, for I regret that I made them.
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God decided to create because He looked down the halls of time and saw you...and He wanted you to exist.

 

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Were I a logical person, I would have to conclude that the Judeo/Christian
God is a fiend. I mean think about it: why would a sensible designer proceed
to bring into existence, without their consent, human lives whom he knew in
advance that some day he would be destroying most of them.

Others have worked around this issue with a posit that the creator isn't all
knowing. In other words: they suggest He didn't foresee the people's
depravity, i.e. He wasn't expecting it.
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[justbyfaith]

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Were I a logical person, I would have to conclude that the Judeo/Christian
God is a fiend. I mean think about it: why would a sensible designer proceed
to bring into existence, without their consent, human lives whom he knew in
advance that some day he would be destroying most of them.

Others have worked around this issue with a posit that the creator isn't all
knowing. In other words: they suggest He didn't foresee the people's
depravity, i.e. He wasn't expecting it.
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The Father created everyone knowing that they would sin...but also knowing that He had a plan whereby He would provide redemption for that sin.

Rom 9:22, What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
Rom 9:23, And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,
Rom 9:24, Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?

 

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The creator knew in advance that if He went ahead as planned, the end
result would be the termination of untold numbers of terrified people in the
lake of brimstone depicted in Rev 20:10-15.

Bringing thousands, even multiplied millions, of people into existence so
they can lose their lives in order to achieve one's own personal ambition isn't
Christian, rather, it's Machiavellian.

• Phil 2:4 . . Each of you should look not only to your own interests, but also
to the interests of others.

Seeing as how Christ expressly forbids selfish ambition amongst his own;
therefore, before proceeding with your ideas, be very sure to ponder all the
possible ramifications of your actions first.

Stepping on people's toes, and/or thwarting their ideas so that yours prevail,
fails to satisfy the law of Christ; which requires believers to love their fellow
believers as Christ loves them (John 15:12). It also fails to satisfy the
Golden Rule which says: So in everything, do to others what you would have
them do to you. (Matt 7:12). Always looking out for No.1 just simply isn't
very nice.
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[justbyfaith]

I would only relate what it says in Jude:

Jde 1:14, And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,
Jde 1:15, To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.
Jde 1:16, These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts; and their mouth speaketh great swelling words, having men's persons in admiration because of advantage.
Jde 1:17, But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ;
Jde 1:18, How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.
Jde 1:19, These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit.

 

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• Rev 6:10 . . They called out in a loud voice: How long, Sovereign Lord,
holy and true, until you judge the inhabitants of the earth and avenge our
blood?

The Greek word translated "sovereign lord" is despótees; which means an
absolute ruler. i.e. a despot.

We're dealing with a supernatural entity who's fully capable of walking over
people's bones to get what He wants; and not even atom bombs can impede
His progress.

• Isa 45:12 . . I am the one who made the earth and created people to live
on it. With my hands I stretched out the heavens. All the millions of stars
are at my command.

I have to say that anyone with the power at their disposal to invent and
control all the laws of nature and physics, is someone to fear; for example:
Jesus could restore blindness. Well anybody who can restore blindness can
just as easily cause it. Jesus also healed paralysis. Well if he can heal
paralysis then he can just as easily cause that too. And he healed withered
limbs. Same thing. If he can heal a withered limb, then he can just as easily
do it in reverse; and also speech.

That kind of power is terrifying, especially when it's in the hands of a despot;
and were it to be wielded against God's enemies they would have no
possible hope of defending themselves because when people's muscles are
atrophied, and they are blind, paralyzed, and mute; they're totally helpless
and in no condition to do much of anything except complain.
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[justbyfaith]

Except those things are the workings of the devil...God does not do harm to His people.

In the final days of history, you can be sure that the devil's miracles will be miracles of damage and he will claim they are from God but the nature of them indicates to all that they are of satan.

I do not believe that satan does miracles of healing.

Likewise I do not believe that God does miracles of disease and decay.

Of course, when the miracles of the antichrists come on the scene, it is true that if it were possible, even the elect will be deceived by them (Matthew 24:24).

 

[MattMooradian]

Likewise I do not believe that God does miracles of disease and decay.

No evil deed can be committed without God allowing it and giving the evil one permission to perform the evil (Job).

 

[justbyfaith]

No evil deed can be committed without God allowing it and giving the evil one permission to perform the evil (Job).

God does not directly do what is evil, impaho.

 

[Taken]

The Creator's Remorse
OP^

A two sided coin-

Elated Joy
Regret

Big Picture- Patience- (without God having a constraint of Time) - Everything shall be as He Intended- Elated Joy...and the Regret/ Remorse out of sight, out of thought and out of remembrance.

Same Gift that Shall apply to the Saved and Quickened!!

Rev 3:
[11] Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

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It isn't uncommon for folk to liken the creator to a sort of celestial cattle
rancher who raises hundreds of head of livestock expecting they'll produce a
few "blue ribbon" animals for him to keep for breeding purposes while the
second-rate animals are shipped off to slaughter houses. So you see it's not
too difficult to understand why it is that some folk regard God as a tyrannical
bully.

I've been on quite a number of internet forums since going online in 1997
and discovered that many of the Christians I encounter are unsympathetic
with the world's predicament, whereas according to John 3:16 God is just
the opposite. He feels a genuine compassion for the human life that He's put
in grave danger of the lake of brimstone depicted at Rev 20:10-15. If only
more Christians were that way instead of constantly throwing stones with
remarks like "It's their own fault; there's no one to blame but themselves."
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[justbyfaith]

It is true that if they are cast into the lake of fire, they have no one to blame but themselves.

 

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• 1Pet 1:18-20 . .You know that it was not with perishable things such as
silver or gold that you were redeemed from the empty way of life handed
down to you from your forefathers, but with the precious blood of Christ, a
lamb without blemish or defect. He was chosen before the creation of the
world, but was revealed in these last times for your sake.

• Rev 13:8 . . And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship [the beast],
whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the
foundation of the world.

The Greek word translated "foundation" in that verse is katabole (kat-ab-ol
ay') which refers to a deposition, i.e. a founding; figuratively: conception

In a nutshell; the two passages above indicate that Christ's crucifixion was
included in the master plan of creation from before God uttered His famous
words in Gen 1:3, which implies that His son's crucifixion wasn't an EMT sent
to the scene of a train wreck; no, it turns out that God, by means of
precognition, was expecting the fall of man prior to any men even existing
and was all ready for it, i.e. the fall of man didn't take man's creator by
surprise, viz: His son's crucifixion wasn't a contingency, rather, the event
was scheduled, and it took place right on time.

One day when I was a little boy, my dad and I were talking about Jesus and
his crucifixion. I was under the impression that he was a victim of
unfortunate circumstances. But my dad corrected me by saying: No, that
was all planned.

I was too young at the time to comprehend the ramifications of my dad's
comment; but years later, while listening to a radio preacher explain it, I
began to realize just how profound my dad's words were-- and still are.
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