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The Devil tried to keep Jesus from going to the cross!

Discussion in 'Bible Study Forum' started by brrrilliantsteve, Feb 18, 2017.

  1. brrrilliantsteve

    brrrilliantsteve Member

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    "The Devil tried to keep Jesus from going to the cross!"

    While i was listening to a bible study on the sanctuary when the presenter said the above statement...
    What!!! ... I had to stop straight away and come here to talk with all you people.

    These are the verses and reasons the presenter gave:


    1. Mat 4:9 (the devil) "And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me. (That is to say you don't have to go to the cross, just WORSHIP me and you can have it all).

    2. Mat 16:21 From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day.
      22 Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee.
      23 But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men... (Here the presenter says Jesus is speaking to Satan not Peter, who was trying to use Peter to distract Jesus from the Cross).

    3. John 12:20 And there were certain Greeks among them that came up to worship at the feast:
      21 The same came therefore to Philip, which was of Bethsaida of Galilee, and desired him, saying, Sir, we would see Jesus.
      22 Philip cometh and telleth Andrew: and again Andrew and Philip tell Jesus.
      23 And Jesus answered them, saying, The hour is come, that the Son of man should be glorified.
      24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit... (The presenter points out the Greeks want Jesus to come to Greece to preach the Gospel, but Jesus knows it is time for prophecy about him to be fulfilled and tells them the parable of corn seed needing to die to bear fruit to emphasize this).

    4. (The presenter also recalls the story of Judas selling Jesus to the Pharisees as evidence and that Judas wanted Jesus to TAKE the throne saying "Judas and the devil didn't want Jesus do die, because when his plan backfired he went and threw his money back"... Mat 27:3 Then Judas, which had betrayed him, when he saw that he was condemned, repented himself, and brought again the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and elders," (condemning Jesus wasn't his plan).

    5. (Even at the cross The devil had people tormenting Jesus saying if your really the son of God Come down from the cross... Mat 27:38 Then were there two thieves crucified with him, one on the right hand, and another on the left.
      39 And they that passed by reviled him, wagging their heads,
      40 And saying, Thou that destroyest the temple, and buildest it in three days, save thyself. If thou be the Son of God, come down from the cross.
      41 Likewise also the chief priests mocking him, with the scribes and elders, said,
      42 He saved others; himself he cannot save. If he be the King of Israel, let him now come down from the cross, and we will believe him.


    The presenter summed up this by saying, The devil did not want Jesus to give is life voluntarily, but he did want to kill him though.


    Now this seems to make sense to me... I want to know if any one has heard of this before, it was the first time for me, ALSO...

    I posted in the Bible Study thread because I would like to know if anyone has any supporting verses for this statement... alternatively
    If you don't agree I would like to hear your counter explanation with both verses which would disprove this statement AND prove your counter statement.

    Thanks
     
  2. mjrhealth

    mjrhealth Well-Known Member

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    You miised teh bit on how he is now keeping Jesus there.
     
  3. JPPT1974

    JPPT1974 Flowers of May Encounter Team

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    Jesus is more powerful and beyond the devil. As He did it to save us from eternal separation from Him. And paid it all, once for all, all for once!
     
  4. lforrest

    lforrest Well-Known Member Staff Member Admin

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    Mat 4:9 Jesus was tempted with the prospect of restoring creation. Satan didn't need to know of God's plan for victory at the cross in order for the temptation to be effective. Perhaps the temptation was more effective than Satan realized, yet Jesus didn't sin.

    Mat 16:21 Or did Jesus rebuke Peter by calling him, 'Satan' because Peter was tempting him. Satan is known as the tempter. Jesus didn't want to die, and his disciple was there making it harder for him.

    John 12:20 Or the Greeks wanted to meet with Jesus. The scriptures don't say more about them.

    Mat 27:3 It could have been that Judas was possessed Luke 22:3, then Satan had no use for Judas after Jesus was handed over.

    The taunts in Mat 27:38 were not intended to tempt Jesus to actually save himself, but to mock him. If they were Jesus would not have said Luke 23:34
     
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