The False Doctrine with key word "COVER"

[CharismaticLady]

The key word of the most common false doctrine is "cover." Anytime I hear someone use the phrase "the blood of Jesus "covers" our sin," I know they have been taught the watered down, powerless understanding of what the blood of Jesus actually does, and lives their lives struggling with sin, but has the false assurance that God can't see their sinning, so they still have their ticket to heaven. Many in these denominations that teach "covering" attract persons who desire to still be carnal; and never become born again - actual children of God. Not just in theory, but actually. Not just imputed righteousness (another key phrase used in this false doctrine), but actually. Jesus is coming back for a spotless Bride, not one who is still a slave to sin.

Part of the false doctrine is "we will always sin until we die and receive new bodies." The misunderstanding of the word "flesh" is the problem. Paul uses it equal to the old sinful carnal nature inherited from Adam. Those who believe this doctrine of demons never seek to be free, because they have been told they have to go through a life-long process of sanctification of overcoming sin. In other words, they have to become righteous in their own power of learning right from wrong. Good grief, that is what the Old Covenant was all about, but Romans 7:13 shows the problem. Sin in our nature. What is needed is a brand new spotless, powerful nature that partakes of the divine nature of Christ. 2 Peter 1:2-11. This is why 2 Peter 1:9 shows that only our past sins were cleansed. 1 John 1:9 ideally needs to only happen once. Then the fruit of the Spirit grows to maturity. The result of immature fruit causes minor trespasses, but forgiving others their trespasses against us causes our Advocate to forgive our trespasses. Matthew 6:14-15

Jesus' blood cleanses us of ALL sin; He takes it away, not just covers it up. He does NOT leave us with the old carnal nature of Adam? NO! Jesus is the new Adam. We become partakers of the divine nature of God that does not sin. The law of the Spirit of life in Christ has FREED us from the law of sin and death. Otherwise, we are not born again prepared for heaven. The New Covenant method regarding sin, is completely different than the Old Testament COVERING of sin, like a tarp over a cesspool, leaving the vile stench below.

The question arises from those in the false doctrine. "Then do we never have to repent again?" How many times does Peter say to repent in Acts 2:38? Or in 1 John 1:9? Once. If you truly repent and truly want to be holy, Jesus gives you His powerful sinless Spirit to change your desires. That is what becoming born again is all about. He makes you partakers of the divine nature.

So, no, once you truly repent, you shouldn't have to repent again and again as in the weak doctrine of covering our sin. You have no desire to do anything to repent of. Those desires have been TAKEN AWAY.

 

[DNB]

The key word of the most common false doctrine is "cover." Anytime I hear someone use the phrase "the blood of Jesus "covers" our sin," I know they have been taught the watered down, powerless understanding of what the blood of Jesus actually does, and lives their lives struggling with sin, but has the false assurance that God can't see their sinning, so they still have their ticket to heaven. Many in these denominations that teach "covering" attract persons who desire to still be carnal; and never become born again - actual children of God. Not just in theory, but actually. Not just imputed righteousness (another key phrase used in this false doctrine), but actually. Jesus is coming back for a spotless Bride, not one who is still a slave to sin.


So, no, once you truly repent, you shouldn't have to repent again and again as in the weak doctrine of covering our sin. You have no desire to do anything to repent of. Those desires have been TAKEN AWAY.

Well, I understand what you are trying to differentiate here, but personally feel that you are splitting hairs, and thus, creating a false dichotomy. Because, Christ does actually cover up our sins in a very meaningful sense, for we were sinners prior to salvation, and we still are even after our conversion. Thus, sin has not been eradicated from our characters, for you will never, ever be able to find a Christian throughout any period of history, that was perfect.
But, you are professing the opposite, aren't you? You are attempting to claim that a Christian who is still alive on earth, or who lived in the past, can attain to a sinless life - no lust, no deceit, no ill thoughts, no lies, no envy or impatience, and most importantly and elusive, loving God with all your heart, soul and mind, and loving your neighhbour as yourself. The latter two, are the quintessence of perfection, and not a single person can make a claim to a sinless life without attaining to these two convictions.
Only wisdom can overcome sin, not some mystical, intangible or impractical approach that makes an appeal to some form of spiritualism.

 

[CharismaticLady]

and we still are even after our conversion.

There are some Christians who go back like a dog to vomit, but not everyone does. This is why Paul commanded us to not quench the Spirit. Why? Because in the Spirit we do not sin.

But, you are professing the opposite, aren't you? You are attempting to claim that a Christian who is still alive on earth, or who lived in the past, can attain to a sinless life - no lies, no lust, no deceit, no ill thoughts, no envy or impatience, and most importantly and daunting, loving God with all your heart, soul and mind, and loving your neighhbour as yourself.

2 Peter 1:2-11
2 Grace and peace be multiplied to you in the knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord, 3 as His divine power has given to us all things that pertain to life and godliness, through the knowledge of Him who called us by glory and virtue, 4 by which have been given to us exceedingly great and precious promises, that through these you may be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust. This only applies to those who have actually been born again, and not brainwashed with false doctrines of demons.

5 But also for this very reason, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue, to virtue knowledge, 6 to knowledge self-control, to self-control perseverance, to perseverance godliness, 7 to godliness brotherly kindness, and to brotherly kindness love. 8 For if these things are yours and abound, you will be neither barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 For he who lacks these things is shortsighted, even to blindness, and has forgotten that he was cleansed from his old sins. This negates the false doctrine that our past, PRESENT AND FUTURE sins are forgiven. With the power of the Spirit, if not quenched, we can live sin free and endure to the end.

10 Therefore, brethren, be even more diligent to make your call and election sure, for if you do these things you will never stumble; 11 for so an entrance will be supplied to you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Those who experience the baptism of the Holy Spirit can relate to this whole passage of Peter's.

Only wisdom can overcome sin, not some mystical, intangible or impractical approach that makes an appeal to some form of spiritualism.

Wisdom? You mean like those under the law of the Ten Commandments? You think the Holy Spirit is spiritualism? Very sad, and blasphemous!

 

[marks]

I would agree that there is much misunderstanding about what Justification is.

Romans 6 tells us about our immersion into Christ, and how this joins us to His death, and then resurrection life. In joining us to His death, and then being raised with Him, it's not that our sins are covered, they are completely removed.

That is, we are removed from our sin. We are now having died to Adam's line of humanity, to come alive in Christ, to share His Sonship, to be holy and righteous in our new creation. So our sin is NOT covered, it is gone.

We are now told to renew our minds. We have to come to think this way, and in coming to think this way, this is the faith where we are standing in His grace, and walking in His works.

Because we no longer believe things are like they were. We believe they are new, like God says.

Much love!

 

[Randy Kluth]

The key word of the most common false doctrine is "cover." Anytime I hear someone use the phrase "the blood of Jesus "covers" our sin," I know they have been taught the watered down, powerless understanding of what the blood of Jesus actually does, and lives their lives struggling with sin, but has the false assurance that God can't see their sinning, so they still have their ticket to heaven. Many in these denominations that teach "covering" attract persons who desire to still be carnal; and never become born again - actual children of God. Not just in theory, but actually. Not just imputed righteousness (another key phrase used in this false doctrine), but actually. Jesus is coming back for a spotless Bride, not one who is still a slave to sin.

Part of the false doctrine is "we will always sin until we die and receive new bodies." The misunderstanding of the word "flesh" is the problem. Paul uses it equal to the old sinful carnal nature inherited from Adam. Those who believe this doctrine of demons never seek to be free, because they have been told they have to go through a life-long process of sanctification of overcoming sin. In other words, they have to become righteous in their own power of learning right from wrong. Good grief, that is what the Old Covenant was all about, but Romans 7:13 shows the problem. Sin in our nature. What is needed is a brand new spotless, powerful nature that partakes of the divine nature of Christ. 2 Peter 1:2-11. This is why 2 Peter 1:9 shows that only our past sins were cleansed. 1 John 1:9 ideally needs to only happen once. Then the fruit of the Spirit grows to maturity. The result of immature fruit causes minor trespasses, but forgiving others their trespasses against us causes our Advocate to forgive our trespasses. Matthew 6:14-15

Jesus' blood cleanses us of ALL sin; He takes it away, not just covers it up. He does NOT leave us with the old carnal nature of Adam? NO! Jesus is the new Adam. We become partakers of the divine nature of God that does not sin. The law of the Spirit of life in Christ has FREED us from the law of sin and death. Otherwise, we are not born again prepared for heaven. The New Covenant method regarding sin, is completely different than the Old Testament COVERING of sin, like a tarp over a cesspool, leaving the vile stench below.

The question arises from those in the false doctrine. "Then do we never have to repent again?" How many times does Peter say to repent in Acts 2:38? Or in 1 John 1:9? Once. If you truly repent and truly want to be holy, Jesus gives you His powerful sinless Spirit to change your desires. That is what becoming born again is all about. He makes you partakers of the divine nature.

So, no, once you truly repent, you shouldn't have to repent again and again as in the weak doctrine of covering our sin. You have no desire to do anything to repent of. Those desires have been TAKEN AWAY.

I can't agree, though with some of your sentiment I can agree. I feel the NT speaks a lot about Christians needing to repent of giving in to the flesh. Christians still have a Sin Nature. But I would agree with you that even though we have a Sin Nature, we are not called, as Christians, to live in the flesh.

What living in the flesh means is that we succumb to the impulses of the Sin Nature, rather than to the New Nature which we both agree we have. We should *not* be living in the flesh, although Christians occasionally do. The normal Christian life is to live in the Spirit, as you indicate.

So I'm not sure if you're saying Christians who live in the flesh are damned or not? I don't happen to think they are, although there are plenty of false Christians who aren't really saved, who do live in the flesh.

The way you use the term "cover," I can agree with you that some wish to cover their sinful lifestyles with religious works. This will never do. But Jesus' blood does cover the Sin Nature of Christians, who don't normally live in the flesh regardless. We simply are flawed people, and need our sins covered when they do get exposed, no matter how small they are. And even if our sins are not so obvious, the Sin Nature is always there, and needs to be covered as well.

True Christianity is more than just a religious veneer of Christian works--more, it is God's Spirit to come and dwell inside of us, so that it takes root in the core of our being--in our heart. This way we generate a New Nature, given from above, and can do good out of a renewed heart and mind.

But let it be known, among those of us who fall, temporarily, God can cover the greatest of sins, and can restore us. If we have truly been saved, we can never feel right living a life after the flesh! Return to Christ, and know that you can still be forgiven--no matter what kind of life you've fallen into!

 

[CharismaticLady]

Christians still have a Sin Nature.

The sin nature is called "the flesh." Christians who are born again are NOT in the flesh, but in the Spirit. That is the meaning of being born again.

Romans 8:9
9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His.

 

[justbyfaith]

Jesus covering our sins is a biblical doctrine, Romans 4:7-8.

 

[DNB]

There are some Christians who go back like a dog to vomit, but not everyone does. This is why Paul commanded us to not quench the Spirit. Why? Because in the Spirit we do not sin.



2 Peter 1:2-11
2 Grace and peace be multiplied to you in the knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord, 3 as His divine power has given to us all things that pertain to life and godliness, through the knowledge of Him who called us by glory and virtue, 4 by which have been given to us exceedingly great and precious promises, that through these you may be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust. This only applies to those who have actually been born again, and not brainwashed with false doctrines of demons.

5 But also for this very reason, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue, to virtue knowledge, 6 to knowledge self-control, to self-control perseverance, to perseverance godliness, 7 to godliness brotherly kindness, and to brotherly kindness love. 8 For if these things are yours and abound, you will be neither barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 For he who lacks these things is shortsighted, even to blindness, and has forgotten that he was cleansed from his old sins. This negates the false doctrine that our past, PRESENT AND FUTURE sins are forgiven. With the power of the Spirit, if not quenched, we can live sin free and endure to the end.

10 Therefore, brethren, be even more diligent to make your call and election sure, for if you do these things you will never stumble; 11 for so an entrance will be supplied to you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Those who experience the baptism of the Holy Spirit can relate to this whole passage of Peter's.



Wisdom? You mean like those under the law of the Ten Commandments? You think the Holy Spirit is spiritualism? Very sad, and blasphemous!

You are citing the promises and the objective, not an immediate fact that occurs upon conversion. You are profoundly confusing two very distinct and opposing principles. 'Be holy, as I am holy', for example, is not a statement of a fact, as far as the recipient of the request is concerned, it is a mandate that is to be progressively acquired by those who love and desire righteousness.
All the verses that you quoted were the ideals and objectives of the born-again believer, this is how the authors were conveying these tenets. That is, they were not attempting to state a fact, as that would be a moot a redundant point. For, why tell someone that they're righteous, for clearly they would already know it, they would not have to be told such an evident fact. But, on the contrary, the authors are stipulating the principles that Christians must abide by, and that how God promises to assist those who have the desire and the faith to be good, with the gift of the Holy Spirit.
It is a mandate and a promise, not a self-evident fact.

 

[marks]

God can cover the greatest of sins,

Hi Randy,

I really liked your post, though I would like to say . . . our sins are not in fact covered, rather, in our new creation, we are completely separated from our sins.

So that our new nature does not sin, all sin comes from the old nature.

But as we trust in God for our sanctification, letting Jesus be our Advocate instead of thinking we have to "go in there and make things right", then the sin and temptation tends to fade away. In the day of testing we cling more tightly to Christ.

Much love!

 

[CharismaticLady]

Jesus covering our sins is a biblical doctrine, Romans 4:7-8.

That chapter is about the law of Moses. And the quote is from the Old Testament where they sacrificed bulls and goats that merely covered sin, but didn't take it away. You should know that.

 

[CharismaticLady]

You are citing the promises and the objective, not an immediate fact that occurs upon conversion. You are profoundly confusing two very distinct and opposing principles. 'Be holy, as I am holy', for example, is not a statement of a fact, as far as the recipient of the request is concerned, it is a mandate that is to be progressively acquired by those who love and desire righteousness.
All the verses that you quoted were the ideals and objectives of the born-again believer, this is how the authors were conveying these tenets. That is, they were not attempting to state a fact, as that would be a moot a redundant point. For, why tell someone that they're righteous, for clearly they would already know it, they would not have to be told such an evident fact. But, on the contrary, the authors are stipulating the principles that Christians must abide by, and that how God promises to assist those who have the desire and the faith to be good, with the gift of the Holy Spirit.
It is a mandate and a promise, not a self-evident fact.

Here is a facts about those who are truly born again of the Spirit.

1 John 3:9 "Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God."

1 John 5:18 "We know that whoever is born of God does not sin; but he who has been born of God keeps himself, and the wicked one does not touch him."

Can you relate to these facts, or not? I can. But not for the first 30 years of going to church. This is how I know the difference between those who believe false doctrines and are not saved, and those who finally become born again.

 

[Enoch111]

So, no, once you truly repent, you shouldn't have to repent again and again as in the weak doctrine of covering our sin. You have no desire to do anything to repent of. Those desires have been TAKEN AWAY.

You are whining about false doctrine, when the above itself is false doctrine.

 

[CharismaticLady]

You are whining about false doctrine, when the above itself is false doctrine.

That's because you believe the false doctrine is truth. Why don't you study the scriptures rather than your reformed doctrines.

 

[justbyfaith]

That chapter is about the law of Moses. And the quote is from the Old Testament where they sacrificed bulls and goats that merely covered sin, but didn't take it away. You should know that.

Paul sets it forth as New Testament doctrine in the verses in question...which were taken from King David's statements in Psalms 32 about forgiveness of sins apart from Old Testament sacrifices. And Romans 4 is primarily about justification by faith; not "the law of Moses."

 

[justbyfaith]

@CharismaticLady,

Don't get me wrong. I am very close to believing that sins of the future are not forgiven if they are committed in a willful manner (Hebrews 10:26-31); and I am very close to believing that I must truly repent or else I am not forgiven.

The only thing that concerns me is that sins that I have committed since becoming a Christian have been "willful" and therefore am I completely devoid of being able to be forgiven; since apparently there is no more sacrifice for sins?

 

[DNB]

Here is a facts about those who are truly born again of the Spirit.

1 John 3:9 "Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God."

1 John 5:18 "We know that whoever is born of God does not sin; but he who has been born of God keeps himself, and the wicked one does not touch him."

Can you relate to these facts, or not? I can. But not for the first 30 years of going to church. This is how I know the difference between those who believe false doctrines and are not saved, and those who finally become born again.

Don't know CL, I haven't a single clue of what you are professing? Like I said, you, or anyone, will never meet a perfect Christian in your life.
Like I also said, you are confusing the idealism of Christianity, with the reality. John is saying, that it is improper for a Christian to sin, for how can you, once made aware of the cross of Christ. This is the manner in which he is speaking. Like I also said, why does John need to tell a perfect person, that they are perfect, for perfection would also involve one's awareness of such things.
You aren't listening to the refutation, but merely and stubbornly, holding fast to your naive and deluded understanding of 1 John.

1 John 1:8, 10
8. If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us.
10. If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar and His word is not in us.

 

[justbyfaith]

Like I said, you, or anyone, will never meet a perfect Christian in your life.

If you ever did meet one, they would not say to you that they are perfect (because of 1 John 1:8); and therefore you would be left to figure it out on your own how impeccable they are in their walk with Christ.

 

[DNB]

If you ever did meet one, they would not say to you that they are perfect (because of 1 John 1:8); and therefore you would be left to figure it out on your own how impeccable they are in their walk with Christ.

Well, you appeared to have undermined your own initial argument. You brought up a great counter verse to the ones that CL had used to promote her views. And then, you claim that there are Christians with impeccable characters. Well, which is it, if we claim to have no sin, we lie, or some actually do have an immaculate character?

 

[justbyfaith]

Well, you appeared to have undermined your own initial argument. You brought up a great counter verse to the ones that CL had used to promote her views. And then, you claim that there are Christians with impeccable characters. Well, which is it, if we claim to have no sin, we lie, or some actually do have an immaculate character?

I sometimes do play both sides of an argument.

If we claim to have no sin, we lie...but if we claim that sin is rendered dead within us, we may indeed be telling the truth.

 

[mjrhealth]

I sometimes do play both sides of an argument.

If we claim to have no sin, we lie...but if we claim that sin is rendered dead within us, we may indeed be telling the truth.

Amen to that