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The false doctrines of the Futurist and Preterist interpretation.

Discussion in 'Eschatology & Prophecy Forum' started by Hobie, Oct 12, 2019.

  1. Hobie

    Hobie Member

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    Here is from Wikipedia where I am a author and it is straightforward:

    'One of the most influential aspects of the early Protestant historicist paradigm was the assertion that scriptural identifiers of the Antichrist where matched only by the institution of the Papacy. Particular significance and concern were the Papal claims of authority over both the Church, through Apostolic succession, and the State, through the Divine right of Kings. When the Papacy aspires to exercise authority beyond its religious realm into civil affairs, on account of the Papal claim to be the Vicar of Christ, then the institution was fulfilling the more perilous biblical indicators of the Antichrist. Martin Luther wrote this view, which was not novel, into the Smalcald Articles of 1537. It was then widely popularized in the 16th century, via sermons, drama, books, and broadside publication. The alternate methods of prophetic interpretation, Futurism and Preterism were derived from Jesuit writings, whose counter reformation efforts were aimed at opposing this interpretation that the Antichrist was the Papacy or the power of the Roman Catholic Church

    Protestant Reformers, including John Wycliffe, Martin Luther, John Calvin, Thomas Cranmer, John Thomas, John Knox, Roger Williams, Cotton Mather, Jonathan Edwards, and John Wesley, as well as most Protestants of the 16th–18th centuries, felt that the Early Church had been led into the Great Apostasy by the Papacy and identified the Pope with the Antichrist. The Centuriators of Magdeburg, a group of Lutheran scholars in Magdeburg headed by Matthias Flacius, wrote the 12-volume Magdeburg Centuries to discredit the Catholic Church and lead other Christians to recognize the Pope as the Antichrist. So, rather than expecting a single Antichrist to rule the earth during a future Tribulation period, Martin Luther, John Calvin, and other Protestant Reformers saw the Antichrist as a present feature in the world of their time, fulfilled in the Papacy. '

    Now in order to counter this view that the papacy was the Antichrist power it the church turned to the Jesuits who were summoned to counter the reformers' teachings, and here two Jesuit scholars stand out in particular. They are Ribera and Alcasar, and they developed the Futurist and Preterist systems of prophetic interpretation.

    Spanish Jesuit Francisco Ribera published a commentary on the book of Revelation which proposed that the bulk of the prophecies would be fulfilled in a brief three-and-one-half-year period at the end of the Christian era. In that short space antichrist (a single individual, according to Ribera) would rebuild the Jerusalem Temple, deny Christ, abolish Christianity, be received by the Jews, pretend to be god, and conquer the world. Thus the Protestant contention that the apocalyptic symbols of antichrist denoted an apostate religious system was countered, and the focus of the prophecies was diverted from the present to the far distant future.

    Spanish Jesuit, Luis de Alcazar also published a scholarly work on Revelation, to refute the Protestant Reformation on the Antichrist power. Alcazar's thesis, the opposite of Ribera's, was that all the prophecies of Revelation had been fulfilled in the past, that is, by the fifth and sixth centuries A.D., the early centuries of Christianity. He asserted that this prophetic book simply described a two-fold war by the church-its victory over the Jewish synagogue on the one hand (chaps. 1-11) and Roman paganism on the other (chaps. 12-19). Chapters 21, 22 Alcazar applied to the Roman Catholic Church as the New Jerusalem, glorious and triumphant. His writings were developed into a system of interpretation known as preterism.

    Over time these specific systems of counter interpretations of the Antichrist spread and began to penetrate Protestant thought. Preterism was the first; it began to enter Protestantism in the late eighteenth century. Preterist interpretations of the prophecies have today become the standard view of liberal Protestantism.

    The ideas of futurism, although refuted at first, eventually spread into Protestantism during the nineteenth century. Futurism, is currently followed in some form by most conservative Protestant bodies. Thus both spectrum of the Protestant denominations has picked up this counter reformation view set about to change the views of the papacy as the Antichrist power that was from the Reformers.

    The false doctrine as you can see, basically are to put aside the Reformers view of the Antichrist. Preterist interpretation puts all prophecy pertaining to the Antichrist into the past so it is long gone, and the Futurist interpretation puts them into the future so the papacy could claim it was not this power.
     
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    A lot of words to describe what Daniel consistently referred to as last days, end times, etc. could be accepted simply with a couple Biblical references. What preterists believe or why they believe it is of no more interest to me than all the other deluded cults out there.
     
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    Preterism is for those who:
    A/ Are terrified of what they read in the prophesies, so their solution is to biff it all into the past.
    B/ Can't be bothered to try and understand the Prophesies.
    C/ Fondly imagine they will carry on with their cozy lifestyle, until Jesus Returns.

    Good luck to them, I prefer to have some idea of what God has planned for His people in the end times.
     
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    Our Lord Jesus warned us to beware of the leaven doctrines of men. If the believer leaves God's Holy Writ in favor of man's philosophical tirades, it will lead to confusion, and seminary labels like Preterism, Historicism, Futurism, etc., do exactly that. And just to show how confused those seminary traditions of men are, as long as you keep to what is written in God's Word, they may at different times categorize you as being of all of those labels.
     
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    Just my experience!

    But with those 'labels', or doctrines, there is some truth in them all, its the usual trick of the Deceiver; mix lies with truth.
    Just as well for us, the Bible keeps us on track, provided we read it correctly and avoid translators bias, church doctrinal insertions and grasp the really important issues, like Salvation.

    I want to comment on the critical issue in the correct understanding of end times prophecy. It is; 'who is the true Israel of God'.
    All thru the Old testament, we are given the doings and the history of the people group called Israel.
    Then; in the New Testament Jesus comes and is rejected by the remnant of Israel, so He rejects them. Matthew 21:43
    After that, the Apostles made it perfectly clear that we Christians are the Israel of God. Galatians 6:14-16

    Therefore; the OT prophesies of Blessings and of the holy Land are OUR heritage and they pertain to us. Romans 8:16-18, Ephesians 1:11-14
    WE will be the people that God always wanted in His holy Land, who ancient Israel failed to be. Isaiah 35:1-10
    and Ezekiel 34:11-16 tells about our
    gathering there. Ezekiel 38:8-12 describes our living there in peace, while the Lord saves us from the attackers.
    We are there when the Anti-Christ leader of the rest of the world comes and makes a 7 year peace treaty with us. Proved 3 1/2 years later when the AC breaks it; Daniel 7:25 and Revelation 13:7.

    There is much more detail to this, but knowing this basic Plan, would help many to get through the difficult time to come, as the Lord deals to the enemies on His terrible Day of fiery wrath.
    Be ready to stand strong in your faith and trust in the Lord for your protection. Joel 3:32, Acts 2:21
     
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