The First Recorded LIE- taught by most of Churchainity!

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amadeus

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Actually we were all born dead the first time around. But lot of people do believe the lie of a snake.
 

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It wasn't the first lie.

Genesis 3:3 KJV
But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.

Gen 2:17
But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

Eve added on to what God said.
 

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It wasn't the first lie.
Genesis 3:3 KJV
But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
Gen 2:17
But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
Eve added on to what God said.

No- pay attention to the details~
"And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?"- KJV
Did God say, ‘You shall not eat of any tree of the garden’?” - RCV
 

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No- pay attention to the details~
"And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?"- KJV
Did God say, ‘You shall not eat of any tree of the garden’?” - RCV
Asking a question is not a lie.

You proposed the the first lie was, "You will not die". Now its something different. Now is the Serpent asking a question that is a lie. But asking a question isn't a lie. It may be a loaded question but it is not a lie.

Did the Dodgers win the world series this year? Is that a lie? No. Its a question.
 
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By teaching the 'immortal' soul, the Roman Governmental Church undermined the ENTIRE BIBLE!
Since no one dies- why did there need to be a Messiah?
No 'Hellfire' mentioned nor proclaimed by God!
 

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REV “And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?”
Bodies but not spirits dead.

1 Sam 28 3 "Now Samuel was dead, and all Israel had lamented him, and buried him in Ramah, even in his own city. And Saul had put away those that had familiar spirits, and the wizards, out of the land.
11 Then Saul said the woman, Whom shall I bring up unto thee? And he said, Bring me up Samuel.
12 And when the woman saw Samuel, she cried with a loud voice: and the woman spake to Saul, saying, Why hast thou deceived me? for thou art Saul.
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Samuels body was dead.
The woman "cried out" ..why?? ....because it actually WAS Samuel and not deceiving impersonating spirit like she was used to seeing!
Samuels body was dead just as Moses and Elijah were dead...but they manifested with Jesus because the were never dead in spirit. Spirits are not dead.
When we die, we move from one realm to another..from this shadow life to the true life, awaiting the final fullness of life in Him.

Jesus spoke of "Abraham's bosom"...which speaks to me as some kind of paradise...but not a deadness or an unawareness.

Helen
 

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Amazing!
They take the symbolic image of Revelation LITERALLY- ignoring everything else in the Bible...except what those condemned by God say....
No, millions of 'immortal souls'/'spirits' have not been stuffed under an altar in heaven, and God has NEVER let 'spiritualists' (the occult) resurrect and communicate with the DEAD...Their claim:" It's only the b-o-d-y.....", they live ON!

So, again, they claim NO ONE ever dies......
 

Helen

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Amazing!
They take the symbolic image of Revelation LITERALLY- ignoring everything else in the Bible...except what those condemned by God say....
No, millions of 'immortal souls'/'spirits' have not been stuffed under an altar in heaven, and God has NEVER let 'spiritualists' (the occult) resurrect and communicate with the DEAD...Their claim:" It's only the b-o-d-y.....", they live ON!

So, again, they claim NO ONE ever dies......

And your point is.....what?

Once again...who told you that you could correctly interpret everything and every verse in the bible.??
:rolleyes: What an exalted spirit you have....do you ever stop listen to yourself!! :rolleyes:
 
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Helen

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Well, then- let's just see:

Was Jesus ALIVE those 3 days, Grace?

"I believe"...His body was dead...and His spirit was preaching...and he led captivity captive...
 

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"I believe"...His body was dead...and His spirit was preaching...and he led captivity captive...

You DO realize, don't you, that you deny Jesus ever died- don't you?
Jesus was FAR more than just a body of flesh....

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Helen

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Whatever you say..godman...after all, you know all things bible and have all the answers. Just watch those door posts as you go through the dor...it may be too narrow for your head.
 
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Job

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Whatever you say..godman...after all, you know all things bible and have all the answers. Just watch those door posts as you go through the dor...it may be too narrow for your head.


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Hey theQuestion -- You can present your point with a tad less confrontation so as you don't appear too proud and/or argumentative. That said, I 110% agree with you. If others don't listen, why fret? That won't affect you. That's God's work to convert a person. You can only bring the message.
 

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You DO realize, don't you, that you deny Jesus ever died- don't you?
Jesus was FAR more than just a body of flesh....


So is it your belief that when Jesus died on the cross, His spirit also died?

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