The Flood Of End Times Will Overflow Many

[whirlwind]

Daniel 11:22 And with the arms of a flood shall they be overflown from before him, and shall be broken; yea, also the prince of the covenant.Revelation 12:2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.12:15-16 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood. And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth. And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Overflown #7857 shataph, to gush; to inundate, cleanse, to gallop, conquer; drown, overflow, overwhelm, rinse, run, rush, thoroughly wash away.Broken #7665 shabar, to burst, break down, break off, break in pieces, break up, bring to the birth, crush, destroy, hurt, quench, quite, tear, view​

I wonder why both names, the "serpent" and "dragon," are used in that one sentence? Is it just to show us that they are the same entity or is more being taught? Who is "they" that shall be overflown? The "they" is us...if we allow it. The woman Satan becomes wroth with is the same woman "travailing in birth and pained to be delivered." I thought it most interesting that one of the descriptions given in "broken" is..."bring to the birth."With the arms (the strength) of a flood they shall be broken, they shall be overflown. A flood is very powerful and sweeps away all that is unanchored in it's path. God tells us this flood of water comes from the mouth of the serpent....lies. As the water of Christ is the living water...the water from Satan is deception and it causes spiritual death. Those that allow themselves to be "inundated, conquered, overwhelmed or thoroughly washed away" in the path of that flood shall be broken...spiritually! We must be anchored in His Word, the living water, when that flood comes...and it shall come and we, as believers and followers of Christ....will be here. Many of us will be overcome in the flood of deception for...they SHALL BE BROKEN, they SHALL BE OVERFLOWN!

Isaiah 43:2 When thou passest through the waters, I will be with thee; and through the rivers, they shall not overflow thee: when thou walkest through the fire, thou shalt not be burned; neither shall the flame kindle upon thee. (10) Ye are My witnesses," saith the LORD, and My Servant Whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe Me, and understand that I am He: before Me there was no GOD formed, neither shall there be after Me. (12) I have declared, and have saved, and I have shewed, when there was no strange god among you: therefore ye are My witnesses," said the LORD, "that I am GOD.​

He will be with us for He is the Word and that Word, that truth, will carry us through that time of deception, the hour of temptation, Satan's great tribulation. They SHALL NOT OVERFLOW THEE. We will be here witnessing for Him but we will not be drowned in the flood.

 

[tomwebster]

whirlwind,If you break both words "flood," used in Rev 12:15, back in the Greek, you will see the second one is referring to TAXES! The flood is a flood of taxes.

 

[whirlwind]

QUOTE (tomwebster @ Apr 10 2009, 11:51 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=72259
whirlwind,If you break both words "flood," used in Rev 12:15, back in the Greek, you will see the second one is referring to TAXES! The flood is a flood of taxes.
Hello Tom, That is an interesting thought. What came to mind when I saw your comment was....Daniel 11:20 Then shall stand up in his estate a raiser of taxes in the glory of the kingdom: but within few days he shall be destroyed, neitehr in anger, nor in battle.You could be right but I still see the flood of water from his mouth being lies...something he speaks that "brings to the birth."

 

[tomwebster]

QUOTE (whirlwind @ Apr 10 2009, 05:16 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=72289
Hello Tom, That is an interesting thought. What came to mind when I saw your comment was....Daniel 11:20 Then shall stand up in his estate a raiser of taxes in the glory of the kingdom: but within few days he shall be destroyed, neitehr in anger, nor in battle.You could be right but I still see the flood of water from his mouth being lies...something he speaks that "brings to the birth."
Satan is full of lies, that is true, and there are many lies out there in the world now, but, you can not get the word "lie" out of the word "flood"Rev 12:15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood(G4215) after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood(G4216). G4215; potamos, by the way is where our English word Potomac comes from, ring a bell? G4216; potamophorētos, to, G5411 phoros; a tax (properly an individual assessment on persons or property;

 

[Vickie]

QUOTE
Whirlwind

Isaiah 43:2 When thou passest through the waters, I will be with thee; and through the rivers, they shall not overflow thee: when thou walkest through the fire, thou shalt not be burned; neither shall the flame kindle upon thee. (10) Ye are My witnesses," saith the LORD, and My Servant Whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe Me, and understand that I am He: before Me there was no GOD formed, neither shall there be after Me. (12) I have declared, and have saved, and I have shewed, when there was no strange god among you: therefore ye are My witnesses," said the LORD, "that I am GOD.​

He will be with us for He is the Word and that Word, that truth, will carry us through that time of deception, the hour of temptation, Satan's great tribulation. They SHALL NOT OVERFLOW THEE. We will be here witnessing for Him but we will not be drowned in the flood.
God is speaking of water, a flood that he sends, he confirms it in the verses you brought forth in Daniel 11:22, Rev 12:14, and Isaiah 43:2 It is not a taxation but very clearly a flood of water for the other verses speaking on this matter as you brought forth are confirming it is water. Your eyes are seeing the verses match up. Good for you. We have a lot of wrong doctrine that accompanied these verses, but God is good and he will be with His people not to loose them. He knows who His people are and will save all of them that trust HIM. WE serve a good God. And a very powerful God, whom the armies haven't a clue about. That is only going to allow them to accomplish what the scriptures say and then our Lord will accomplish what He has wrote against them. Amen. Sincerely Vickie

 

[tomwebster]

QUOTE (Vickie @ Apr 10 2009, 07:56 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=72297
God is speaking of water, a flood that he sends, he confirms it in the verses you brought forth in Daniel 11:22, Rev 12:14, and Isaiah 43:2 It is not a taxation but very clearly a flood of water for the other verses speaking on this matter as you brought forth are confirming it is water. Your eyes are seeing the verses match up. Good for you. We have a lot of wrong doctrine that accompanied these verses, but God is good and he will be with His people not to loose them. He knows who His people are and will save all of them that trust HIM. WE serve a good God. And a very powerful God, whom the armies haven't a clue about. That is only going to allow them to accomplish what the scriptures say and then our Lord will accomplish what He has wrote against them. Amen. Sincerely Vickie
Vickie, We are going to disagree, it is a flood of taxes not water. Can you not see the flood of taxes coming? You need to look at the wordsan 11:20 Then shall stand up in his estate a raiser of taxes in the glory of the kingdom: but within few days he shall be destroyed, neither in anger, nor in battle.Re-read my post #4

 

[Christina]

Vickie God promises to never again send a flood of water on the World he gave us a rainbow to seal his promise the subject here is the flood the serpent sends ..The serpent is another name for Satan ..who God calles the father of lies he is a liar ... the tax raiser comes before the vile man (the serpent) futher I might add he wins over the World with flatteries all the World will want to worship him as christ who warned against usery (taxes) ...this picture does not fit a tax raiser ..but a liar The father of them ....Satan

 

[tomwebster]

QUOTE (Christina @ Apr 10 2009, 08:58 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=72301
Vickie God promises to never again send a flood of water on the World he gave us a rainbow to seal his promise the subject here is the flood the serpent sends ..The serpent is another name for Satan ..who God calles the father of lies he is a liar ... the tax raiser comes before the vile man (the serpent) futher I might add he wins over the World with flatteries all the World will want to worship him as christ who warned against usery (taxes) ...this picture does not fit a tax raiser ..but a liar The father of them ....Satan
usury(G5110) G5110, tokos, tok'-os From the base of G5088; interest on money loaned (as a produce): - usury. Usery is not taxes.

 

[Christina]

QUOTE (tomwebster @ Apr 10 2009, 07:12 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=72302
usury(G5110) G5110, tokos, tok'-os From the base of G5088; interest on money loaned (as a produce): - usury. Usery is not taxes.
technically you are correct there Tom but your taxes still do not fit the picture ...The serpent lied to Eve in the garden , eat and you will be as God ... the flood comes out of his mouth in Rev. he wins over the World with flatteries ... Lies The whole world follows him ... Not many will follow a raiser of taxes for long ... and the Tax raisers comes before the vile man (he isnt the vile man ... You can believe as you like but I do not see this fits the picture.

 

[Jordan]

QUOTE (Christina @ Apr 11 2009, 01:18 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=72367
QUOTE (tomwebster @ Apr 10 2009, 09:12 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=72302
usury(G5110) G5110, tokos, tok'-os From the base of G5088; interest on money loaned (as a produce): - usury. Usery is not taxes.
technically you are correct there Tom but your taxes still do not fit the picture ...The serpent lied to Eve in the garden , eat and you will be as God ... the flood comes out of his mouth in Rev. he wins over the World with flatteries ... Lies The whole world follows him ... Not many will follow a raiser of taxes for long ... and the Tax raisers comes before the vile man (he isnt the vile man ... You can believe as you like but I do not see this fits the picture.Christina, you are so very right. At Genesis 6, God told Noah to build an ark because He is going to destroy mankind, save two of every flesh (including human races) with A FLOOD OF WATER! (Literal) At Genesis 7, it happened. And Christ says it's going to happen again like it was in the day of Noah. (Matthew 24:37-39, Luke 17:26-27) A FLOOD OF WATER! (Spiritually) So of course, the taxes does not fit at all in the picture.

 

[tomwebster]

QUOTE (Jordan @ Apr 11 2009, 01:31 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=72369
technically you are correct there Tom but your taxes still do not fit the picture ...The serpent lied to Eve in the garden , eat and you will be as God ... the flood comes out of his mouth in Rev. he wins over the World with flatteries ... Lies The whole world follows him ... Not many will follow a raiser of taxes for long ... and the Tax raisers comes before the vile man (he isnt the vile man ... You can believe as you like but I do not see this fits the picture.Christina, you are so very right. At Genesis 6, God told Noah to build an ark because He is going to destroy mankind, save two of every flesh (including human races) with A FLOOD OF WATER! (Literal) At Genesis 7, it happened. And Christ says it's going to happen again like it was in the day of Noah. (Matthew 24:37-39, Luke 17:26-27) A FLOOD OF WATER! (Spiritually) So of course, the taxes does not fit at all in the picture.
I see that as being in conflict with:Gen 9:11 And I will establish my covenant with you; neither shall all flesh be cut off any more by the waters of a flood; neither shall there any more be a flood to destroy the earth. Gen 9:12 And God said, This is the token of the covenant which I make between me and you and every living creature that is with you, for perpetual generations: Gen 9:13 I do set my bow in the cloud, and it shall be for a token of a covenant between me and the earth. Gen 9:14 And it shall come to pass, when I bring a cloud over the earth, that the bow shall be seen in the cloud: Gen 9:15 And I will remember my covenant, which is between me and you and every living creature of all flesh; and the waters shall no more become a flood to destroy all flesh. Gen 9:16 And the bow shall be in the cloud; and I will look upon it, that I may remember the everlasting covenant between God and every living creature of all flesh that is upon the earth. Gen 9:17 And God said unto Noah, This is the token of the covenant, which I have established between me and all flesh that is upon the earth. Even if you believe the flood is spiritual, I don't. But I guess we will see.

 

[Jordan]

QUOTE (tomwebster @ Apr 11 2009, 02:57 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=72372
QUOTE (Jordan @ Apr 11 2009, 01:31 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=72369
Christina, you are so very right. At Genesis 6, God told Noah to build an ark because He is going to destroy mankind, save two of every flesh (including human races) with A FLOOD OF WATER! (Literal) At Genesis 7, it happened. And Christ says it's going to happen again like it was in the day of Noah. (Matthew 24:37-39, Luke 17:26-27) A FLOOD OF WATER! (Spiritually) So of course, the taxes does not fit at all in the picture.
I see that as being in conflict with:Gen 9:11 And I will establish my covenant with you; neither shall all flesh be cut off any more by the waters of a flood; neither shall there any more be a flood to destroy the earth. Gen 9:12 And God said, This is the token of the covenant which I make between me and you and every living creature that is with you, for perpetual generations: Gen 9:13 I do set my bow in the cloud, and it shall be for a token of a covenant between me and the earth. Gen 9:14 And it shall come to pass, when I bring a cloud over the earth, that the bow shall be seen in the cloud: Gen 9:15 And I will remember my covenant, which is between me and you and every living creature of all flesh; and the waters shall no more become a flood to destroy all flesh. Gen 9:16 And the bow shall be in the cloud; and I will look upon it, that I may remember the everlasting covenant between God and every living creature of all flesh that is upon the earth. Gen 9:17 And God said unto Noah, This is the token of the covenant, which I have established between me and all flesh that is upon the earth. Even if you believe the flood is spiritual, I don't. But I guess we will see.Tom, if you have any idea what I said of my previous post, you would have understand what I was saying. I think you ought to re-read my post again.

 

[tomwebster]

QUOTE (Jordan @ Apr 11 2009, 04:48 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=72376
I see that as being in conflict with:Gen 9:11 And I will establish my covenant with you; neither shall all flesh be cut off any more by the waters of a flood; neither shall there any more be a flood to destroy the earth. Gen 9:12 And God said, This is the token of the covenant which I make between me and you and every living creature that is with you, for perpetual generations: Gen 9:13 I do set my bow in the cloud, and it shall be for a token of a covenant between me and the earth. Gen 9:14 And it shall come to pass, when I bring a cloud over the earth, that the bow shall be seen in the cloud: Gen 9:15 And I will remember my covenant, which is between me and you and every living creature of all flesh; and the waters shall no more become a flood to destroy all flesh. Gen 9:16 And the bow shall be in the cloud; and I will look upon it, that I may remember the everlasting covenant between God and every living creature of all flesh that is upon the earth. Gen 9:17 And God said unto Noah, This is the token of the covenant, which I have established between me and all flesh that is upon the earth. Even if you believe the flood is spiritual, I don't. But I guess we will see.Tom, if you have any idea what I said of my previous post, you would have understand what I was saying. I think you ought to re-read my post again.
I have a very clear understanding of what you said in your post. Do you understand what I said in mine?

 

[Jordan]

QUOTE (tomwebster @ Apr 11 2009, 04:55 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=72377
QUOTE (Jordan @ Apr 11 2009, 04:48 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=72376
Tom, if you have any idea what I said of my previous post, you would have understand what I was saying. I think you ought to re-read my post again.
I have a very clear understanding of what you said in your post. Do you understand what I said in mine?I really don't think you are understanding me in my post, because I could tell that you are clearing misunderstanding me. So I'll just leave it at that.To answer your post, that is clearly speaking of a literal flood.

 

[tomwebster]

QUOTE (Jordan @ Apr 11 2009, 01:31 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=72369
technically you are correct there Tom but your taxes still do not fit the picture ...The serpent lied to Eve in the garden , eat and you will be as God ... the flood comes out of his mouth in Rev. he wins over the World with flatteries ... Lies The whole world follows him ... Not many will follow a raiser of taxes for long ... and the Tax raisers comes before the vile man (he isnt the vile man ... You can believe as you like but I do not see this fits the picture.Christina, you are so very right. At Genesis 6, God told Noah to build an ark because He is going to destroy mankind, save two of every flesh (including human races) with A FLOOD OF WATER! (Literal) At Genesis 7, it happened. And Christ says it's going to happen again like it was in the day of Noah. (Matthew 24:37-39, Luke 17:26-27) A FLOOD OF WATER! (Spiritually) So of course, the taxes does not fit at all in the picture.
My OPQUOTE (tomwebster @ Apr 10 2009, 11:51 AM) [url="index.php?act=findpost&pid=72259][/url]
whirlwind,If you break both words "flood," used in Rev 12:15, back in the Greek, you will see the second one is referring to TAXES! The flood is a flood of taxes.
QUOTE (Jordan @ Apr 11 2009, 05:02 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=72378
I have a very clear understanding of what you said in your post. Do you understand what I said in mine?I really don't think you are understanding me in my post, because I could tell that you are clearing misunderstanding me. So I'll just leave it at that.To answer your post, that is clearly speaking of a literal flood.
I don’t know what it is you think I don’t understand about your posts. You are saying the “flood” in Rev 12: 15 is a flood of “Spiritual” waters. I am saying, and have said all along, that it is a “flood of Taxes” like the second word “Flood” is Revelation 12: 15, goes back to if you follow the etymology of the word.You say:QUOTE
the taxes does not fit at all in the picture.
I think I show a clear picture of “taxes,” being a big part of the end, from Daniel 20 and Rev 12. You choose not the see it, OK!We disagree, it is not be the first time and likely will not be the last time. The one thing that is certain, we will soon find out.

 

[Vickie]

QUOTE (tomwebster @ Apr 10 2009, 08:39 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=72300
Vickie, We are going to disagree, it is a flood of taxes not water. Can you not see the flood of taxes coming? You need to look at the wordsan 11:20 Then shall stand up in his estate a raiser of taxes in the glory of the kingdom: but within few days he shall be destroyed, neither in anger, nor in battle.Re-read my post #4
You are right about taxes in verse 20, but flood is the descriptive act being talked about in verse 22. Check the strong's number for flood7858 שֶׁטֶף [sheteph, sheteph /sheh·tef/] n m. From 7857; TWOT 2373a; GK 8852; Six occurrences; AV translates as “flood” four times, “overflowing of waters” once, and “outrageous” once. 1 flood, downpour.This is what Daniel 11:22 is speaking and there is no getting around it. We are now having taxation set up in America with the deficit spending that started with Bush and is now toping off with Obama. It has been tested on us already under Bush. You will soon see it come to full fruition here in the very near future. The stage is in preparation and has been under Bush. Sincerely Vickie

 

[whirlwind]

QUOTE (Vickie @ Apr 11 2009, 05:41 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=72380
You are right about taxes in verse 20, but flood is the descriptive act being talked about in verse 22. Check the strong's number for flood7858 שֶׁטֶף [sheteph, sheteph /sheh·tef/] n m. From 7857; TWOT 2373a; GK 8852; Six occurrences; AV translates as “flood” four times, “overflowing of waters” once, and “outrageous” once. 1 flood, downpour.This is what Daniel 11:22 is speaking and there is no getting around it. We are now having taxation set up in America with the deficit spending that started with Bush and is now toping off with Obama. It has been tested on us already under Bush. You will soon see it come to full fruition here in the very near future. The stage is in preparation and has been under Bush. Sincerely Vickie
Vickie, thank you for your response but you must see what is spiritually being taught...not the letter. Yes, it is a flood but what does the flood mean? As Christina pointed out...there will never again be a literal flood so you must look deeper.

 

[whirlwind]

QUOTE
Tom Webster Satan is full of lies, that is true, and there are many lies out there in the world now, but, you can not get the word "lie" out of the word "flood"Rev 12:15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood(G4215) after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood(G4216). G4215; potamos, by the way is where our English word Potomac comes from, ring a bell? G4216; potamophorētos, to, G5411 phoros; a tax (properly an individual assessment on persons or property;
I agree that lie doesn't mean flood but the action is what is being taught, the action is the flood, the event being as a flood, one that overflows all in it's path. So, will it be a flood of taxes or deception?

Daniel 11:22 And with the arms of a flood shall they be overflown from before him, and shall be broken; yea, also the prince of the covenant.Revelation 12:15-16 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood. And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth. And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.​

Daniel writes that they, including the prince, will be overflown by this flood and Revelation shows that the flood was "as water," not a literal flood of water. The woman is Israel, who I equate with being believers. If it was taxes it wouldn't just be Israel being overtaxed but everyone. And too, how would earth help swallow up taxes? So, to me it is his lies that will overflow the world. His lie of being our Savior.

 

[Vickie]

QUOTE (whirlwind @ Apr 12 2009, 09:14 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=72413
Vickie, thank you for your response but you must see what is spiritually being taught...not the letter. Yes, it is a flood but what does the flood mean? As Christina pointed out...there will never again be a literal flood so you must look deeper.
Hi whirlwind! Another great day in the Lord. You take it spiritually, I take it literal. There will never be another flood to COVER THE ENTIRE EARTH. It does not say floods will not come as we are having great floods in the upper midwest in the last couple of months. The bible is speaking of water flooding in the realm of a specific area, not the entire earth. Thanks Vickie

 

[Christina]

This can not be because the flood is cast out by the serpents mouth which places us in the tribulation which is World wide not local .... and nothing points to it being local futher more knowing the time we are in and rightly diving the Word its the events of the tribulation we have to look for the answers ... When we look to this time ... We are told the two wittness have power from God to shut up the rain ..The serpent has no power over the two wittness's so he can not call rain with his mouth ... So there is no other way to understand this flood as literal .... So we Look to what the Antichrist is said to do ...that is win the World over with ... flatteries and lies When you take the whole picture into account ... understanding God uses names to depict certain types of behavior ... What did the serpent do in the garden he lied, beguiled Eve with his cunning ways....This is exactly how Antichtst (Satan the serpent) works.