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There will be three Raptures.

Wrong. You made up the barely one and the other two are just one. There is one rapture of the church. It is the full and complete church leaving no Christian behind. It happens after the GT has ended.

2Th 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,

Pre-tribbers usually correctly understand that this gathering of the saints is the rapture.

Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Yet, they somehow cannot see that this is same exact gathering/rapture. Both of these are addressing the one and only rapture of the church and it is after the end of tribulation just as Paul said it was:


1Th 4:13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
1Th 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.(second coming reference)
1Th 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord (second coming reference) shall not prevent them which are asleep.
1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven (second coming reference) with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: (the resurrection of the dead in Christ)
1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. (the rapture)

Since Christ brings the dead in Christ with him after the Great Tribulation has ended, we know the above verses are speaking of the 7th trump coming of Christ and the rapture is written by Paul to take place that day.
 
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There will be three Raptures.
Totally agrees With The Pure/Preserved Word Of Truth, Rightly Divided. Amen:

THREE Future "raptures!":​

Mid-Trib? = In the Time Of Jacob's (Israel's 'woman') Trouble:

(2) witnesses "ascended up to heaven" (Rev 11:11-12 KJV), And:

(3) 144,000 "sealed on earth" (Rev 7:4-8 KJV), and then "redeemed {raptured?}
from the earth, And found before *The Throne Of God" (14:3-5 KJV)

Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15) From “Things That Differ” (online)

However, prior to these, when The Current Dispensation of Grace Is Closed = Pre-Trib!:

(1) our "The Body Of CHRIST's" (ONE New 'man' [ Not 'bride' ] - Ephesians 2:15) #:

Great GRACE Departure To Heaven!
(Romans - Philemon, Especially 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 Comfort! [ critics don't have? ];
1 Corinthians 15:51-52 KJV) More, in depth, here:

See you in God’s Great GloryLand! ♫ :innocent:

Precious friend(s):

Grace, Peace, And JOY In Christ, And In His Word Of Truth, Rightly
Divided (+ I and II)
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There will be three Raptures. After the first Rapture, the Lord removes His protection that has safeguarded the world from the worst of calamities. Then, the Cosmos takes it’s natural course. Very shortly, the entire world will go through the Great Dying.

The Great Dying and the Three Raptures
Making unsubstantiated statements like that is irresponsible. Christ is "coming again"--period. 3 Raptures has no basis in biblical theology.
 

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There will be three Raptures. After the first Rapture, the Lord removes His protection that has safeguarded the world from the worst of calamities. Then, the Cosmos takes it’s natural course. Very shortly, the entire world will go through the Great Dying.

The Great Dying and the Three Raptures
No such thing as 3 raptures = man-made teachings

Luke 21:28 - When these things begin to happen, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near.”

Luke 21:29 -31 Then Jesus told them a parable: “Look at the fig tree and all the trees. When they sprout leaves, you can see for yourselves and know that summer is near. So also, when you see these things happening, know that the kingdom of God is near.

NOTICE = You can be NEAR the Truth but still not enter into it. NEAR means His Return is on the Way.
The earthbound nation of Israel is NEAR the Truth but since they reject Yeshua Messiah they cannot enter into the Kingdom.

The Jews stood/stand right next to/near Salvation but most never enter in.

So the scribe said to Him, “Well said, Teacher. You have spoken the truth, for there is one God, and there is no other but He.
And to love Him with all the heart, with all the understanding, with all the soul, and with all the strength, and to love one’s neighbor as oneself, is more than all the whole burnt offerings and sacrifices.”
Now when Jesus saw that he answered wisely, He said to him, “You are not far from the kingdom of God.”


Gospel of Luke tells us when we are getting NEAR the Second Coming of Christ.

Gospel of Matthew tells us EXACTLY when His Coming occurs.

Matthew 24:29-31
Immediately after the tribulation of those days:
‘The sun will be darkened,
and the moon will not give its light;
the stars will fall from the sky,
and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.’
At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and all the tribes of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory. And He will send out His angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather His elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.

1 Thess & 2 Thess AGREES with the Prophets, the Gospel and Revelation and tells us what MUST take place BEFORE the Rapture.

There are no OT/NT prophesies or proclamations of 3 Raptures.
 
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There will be three Raptures. After the first Rapture, the Lord removes His protection that has safeguarded the world from the worst of calamities. Then, the Cosmos takes it’s natural course. Very shortly, the entire world will go through the Great Dying.

The Great Dying and the Three Raptures
This sounds more like Marvel Comics, that Bible. The 'Cosmos' does have anything to sat about the plagues God sends upon the earth.
 

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There will be three Raptures. After the first Rapture, the Lord removes His protection that has safeguarded the world from the worst of calamities. Then, the Cosmos takes it’s natural course. Very shortly, the entire world will go through the Great Dying.
Where do you come up with such weird scenarios? There is no "Great Dying". There will be a supernatural burning up of the surface of the earth and also its atmosphere. This will be immediately followed by the establishment of the New Heavens and the New Earth. But prior to that, death will already have been abolished from the earth.

And no. THERE ARE NO THREE RAPTURES. That is pure fantasy.
 

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Great presentation of your thesis and the scriptural references to support your claims. Well-written and informative, and interesting to anyone interested in eschatology and the end times. Thanks!

There will be a supernatural burning up of the surface of the earth and also its atmosphere. This will be immediately followed by the establishment of the New Heavens and the New Earth.
If I'm understanding Revelation 21 correctly, the old Earth is entirely eliminated and replaced.

Revelation 21

Young's Literal Translation

21 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth did pass away, and the sea is not any more;
 
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Verse please?
2 PETER 3: NEW HEAVENS AND NEW EARTH
7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
 
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2 PETER 3: NEW HEAVENS AND NEW EARTH
7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Thanks for sharing. I fail to see any contradiction. John described this world as passing away. It's certainly possible that it is burned away into non-existence or perhaps that was just a figure of speech that would be readily understood by the masses. In the end, both verses are saying the same thing, that this world will be destroyed.
 

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If I'm understanding Revelation 21 correctly, the old Earth is entirely eliminated and replaced.

Revelation 21​

Young's Literal Translation​

21 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth did pass away, and the sea is not any more;
Now pass the popcorn - please
 

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Thanks for sharing. I fail to see any contradiction. John described this world as passing away.
"Passing away" does not mean disappearance or annihilation of the earth. It means the removal of all that is sinful and evil. When a Christian "passes away" his or her soul and spirit are very much alive and go to be with Christ is Heaven. When a corrupt and sinful world passes away, God simply burns it off. But the globe remains and will be re-inhabited.
 

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"Passing away" does not mean disappearance or annihilation of the earth. It means the removal of all that is sinful and evil. When a Christian "passes away" his or her soul and spirit are very much alive and go to be with Christ is Heaven. When a corrupt and sinful world passes away, God simply burns it off. But the globe remains and will be re-inhabited.

How DARE you defy me! You are going straight to Hell!




Ok, ok, I am kidding. This place can use a little levity at times. :)
 

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If I'm understanding Revelation 21 correctly, the old Earth is entirely eliminated and replaced.

Revelation 21​

Young's Literal Translation​

21 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth did pass away, and the sea is not any more;
That is after the Day of the Lord when Jesus rules on earth for 1,000 years.

There is a new heaven and earth after the fire destruction of the Second Coming.

Revelation 21 is after current creation is returned to God, and no longer exists. Only after the Day of the Lord is completed will there be a totally different creation.

"And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all."
 
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