The Identity of the Antichrist, the Two Beasts of Revelation, and the Whore of Babylon

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A beast in prophecy symbolizes a kingdom, hence why this beast in the book of Daniel was said to symbolize a kingdom,

"He gave me this explanation: 'The fourth beast is a fourth kingdom that will appear on earth... (Daniel 7:23 [NIV])

As such, the first beast of Revelation having multiple heads symbolizes multiple kingdoms, hence why it rises out of the sea,

And I stood upon the sand of the sea. And I saw from out of the sea a wild beast ascending, having ten horns and seven heads... (Revelation of John 13:1 [ABP])

Since the sea symbolizes many kinds of peoples and languages,

And he says to me, The waters which you saw, where the harlot sits, are peoples and multitudes, and nations, and languages. (Revelation of John 17:15 [ABP])

And so, each head of this first beast symbolizes a series of kingdoms that comes forth chronologically one after the other, with the sixth head as the current ruling power at the time the vision was given,

And there are seven kings -- the five fallen, the one is, the other not yet is come... (Revelation of John 17:10 [ABP])

With one kingdom expected to come, and five kingdoms already fallen. As such, the current ruling kingdom at the time the vision was given were the Romans. And after these seven heads, comes an eighth head, and that is the kingdom that will be in ruling power at the coming of Jesus Christ,

And the beast which was, and is not, even he is eighth, and he is from out of the seven, and he goes unto destruction. (Revelation of John 17:11 [ABP])

As such, just as we observe the first beast rising from many peoples, and just as each head encompassing a large span of time throughout a series of kingdoms, we can also observe a correlation between these other descriptions of the first beast,

And the beast which I saw was likened to a leopard, and his feet as a bear, and his mouth as a mouth of a lion... (Revelation of John 13:2 [ABP])

To the four beasts of a Daniel, which were four kingdoms, in which case beast one of Daniel was likened to a lion, which relates to the mouth of a lion of the first beast of Revelation, who we came to know as the Babylonians,

And four great beasts came up out of the sea, different from one another. The first was like a lion and had eagles’ wings. Then as I looked its wings were plucked off, and it was lifted up from the ground and made to stand on two feet like a man, and the mind of a man was given to it. (Daniel 7:3-4 [ESV])

And beast two of Daniel was likened to a bear, which relates to the feet of a bear of the first beast of Revelation, who we came to know as the Medo-Persians,

And behold, another beast, a second one, like a bear. It was raised up on one side. It had three ribs in its mouth between its teeth; and it was told, ‘Arise, devour much flesh.’ (Daniel 7:5 [ESV])

And beast three of Daniel was likened to a leopard, which relates to the appearance of a leopard of the first beast of Revelation, who we came to know as the Greeks,

After this I looked, and behold, another, like a leopard, with four wings of a bird on its back. And the beast had four heads, and dominion was given to it. (Daniel 7:6 [ESV])

And beast four of Daniel had ten horns, which relates to the ten horns of the first beast of Revelation, who we came to know as the Romans,

After this I saw in the night visions, and behold, a fourth beast, terrifying and dreadful and exceedingly strong. It had great iron teeth; it devoured and broke in pieces and stamped what was left with its feet. It was different from all the beasts that were before it, and it had ten horns. (Daniel 7:7 [ESV])

As such, because of this correlation, we can further identify the heads that precede the Romans as the sixth head, which were the Greeks as the fifth head, and before them were the Medo-Persians as the fourth head, and before them were the Babylonians as the third head. And lastly, we can also identify the two remaining heads, which were the Assyrians as the second head, and ultimately, we arrive at the first kingdom to ever rule over the people of God, which were the Egyptians as the first head, who enslaved the Israelites for around 400 years,

Then the LORD said to him, "Know for certain that for four hundred years your descendants will be strangers in a country not their own and that they will be enslaved and mistreated there. (Genesis 15:13 [NIV])

And so, the first beast symbolizes all kingdoms ruling over and coming against the people of God from the time of the Egyptians to the time of the second coming of Jesus Christ. This is also why anyone who is not written in the book of life ends up worshiping the first beast, both in the past, present, and future, because throughout time the first beast has manifested itself through various kingdoms, which were all powerful and influential kingdoms for their time,

and all who dwell on earth will worship it, everyone whose name has not been written before the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who was slain. (Revelation 13:8 [ESV])

And just as the dragon gives his authority to the first beast,

...And to it the dragon gave his power and his throne and great authority. (Revelation 13:2 [ESV])

So has Satan, who is symbolized by the dragon, throughout time, has granted his authority to each kingdom symbolized by the heads of first beast,

in which the god of this eon blinded the thoughts of the unbelieving, so as to not shine forth to them the illumination of the good news of the glory of the Christ, who is image of the unseen of God. (2 Corinthians 4:4 [ABP])
The devil led him up to a high place and showed him in an instant all the kingdoms of the world. And he said to him, "I will give you all their authority and splendor; it has been given to me, and I can give it to anyone I want to. (Luke 4:5-6 [NIV])

And whoever worships these kingdoms by serving them, also worships Satan,

And they worshiped the dragon, for he had given his authority to the beast, and they worshiped the beast, saying, “Who is like the beast, and who can fight against it?” (Revelation 13:4 [ESV])

And so, the kingdom of the Romans, as the sixth head of the first beast having ten horns, which is also beast four of Daniel having ten horns, broke up into ten kingdoms, in which case, although the fall of the Roman empire is obscured by many different historical accounts, the ten kingdoms may be said to be the Franks, the Huns, the Visigoths, the Burgundians, the Suevi, the Anglo-Saxons, the Lombards, the Vandals, the Ostrogoths, and the Heruli. And during these horns, came forth an eleventh little horn,

I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots... (Daniel 7:8 [AKJV])

In which case, this little horn symbolizes the papacy, hence why the little horn is described as having the eyes of a man,

...And behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of a man... (Daniel 7:8 [NHEB])

In which case, the papacy destroyed the Vandals, the Ostrogoths, and the Heruli, which are the three horns uprooted by the eleventh little horn. This little horn not only symbolizes the papacy, but is also the antichrist that the elect were expecting to come,

Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour. (1 John 2:18 [NIV])
Let no one in any way deceive you, for it will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, who opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, displaying himself as being God. (2 Thessalonians 2:3 [NASB])
“And the king shall do as he wills. He shall exalt himself and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak astonishing things against the God of gods. He shall prosper till the indignation is accomplished; for what is decreed shall be done. (Daniel 11:36 [ESV])

As such, the antichrist is a Roman seat of authority occupied by one man, which began as the authority of Roman emperors, in which case, Titus fulfilled the prophecy as the desolator that came and destroyed Jerusalem and the temple, who even desecrated the temple of God and exalted himself above gods,

...And on the wing of abominations shall come one who makes desolate, until the decreed end is poured out on the desolator.” (Daniel 9:27 [ESV])
"So when you see standing in the holy place 'the abomination that causes desolation,' spoken of through the prophet Daniel--let the reader understand-- then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. Let no one on the housetop go down to take anything out of the house. Let no one in the field go back to get their cloak. How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! Pray that your flight will not take place in winter or on the Sabbath. (Matthew 24:15-20 [NIV])
"When you see Jerusalem being surrounded by armies, you will know that its desolation is near. Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let those in the city get out, and let those in the country not enter the city. For this is the time of punishment in fulfillment of all that has been written. How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! There will be great distress in the land and wrath against this people. They will fall by the sword and will be taken as prisoners to all the nations. Jerusalem will be trampled on by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled. (Luke 21:20-24 [NIV])
Some of his disciples were remarking about how the temple was adorned with beautiful stones and with gifts dedicated to God. But Jesus said, "As for what you see here, the time will come when not one stone will be left on another; every one of them will be thrown down." (Luke 21:5-6 [NIV])

And so, this Roman seat of authority continued to live on through what later came forth to be the Roman papacy, in which case, the final pope will be the one upon whom the "decreed end is poured out on the desolator", in which case he will be destroyed by Jesus Christ himself at his second coming,

And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming. (2 Thessalonians 2:8 [NIV])

And so, during the rule of Roman emperors, the apostasy that was prophesied to come brought forth the catholic church, which in turn brought forth the papacy, who through various popes has made arrogant boasts exalting himself to be God on earth,

...and a mouth speaking arrogant things. (Daniel 7:8 [NHEB])

Which correlates with the first beast of Revelation also speaking haughty words,

And the beast was given a mouth uttering haughty and blasphemous words... (Revelation 13:5 [ESV])

Even altering Jewish laws and times by establishing new times, such as Christmas, Easter, Sunday as the new Sabbath,

He will speak against the Most High and oppress his holy people and try to change the set times and the laws... (Daniel 7:25 [NIV])

And has even spoken blasphemies against God and those who dwell in heaven through many false teachings,

And the beast was given a mouth uttering haughty and blasphemous words. It opened its mouth to utter blasphemies against God, blaspheming his name and his dwelling, that is, those who dwell in heaven. (Revelation 13:5-6 [ESV])

This little horn is also said to persecute the holy people for a time, times, and half a time,

...The holy people will be delivered into his hands for a time, times and half a time.
(Daniel 7:25 [NIV])

And since Nebuchadnezzar lost his sanity for seven times, which was seven years, therefore a time is derived to be one year,

Let his mind be changed from that of a man and let him be given the mind of an animal, till seven times pass by for him. (Daniel 4:16 [NIV])

As such, a times is derived to be two times, therefore, one time plus two times plus a half time is three and a half years, which corresponds to forty two months that the first beast is said to have authority to wage war against the holy people,

And the beast was given a mouth uttering haughty and blasphemous words, and it was allowed to exercise authority for forty-two months. (Revelation 13:5 [ESV])


It was given power to wage war against God's holy people and to conquer them. And it was given authority over every tribe, people, language and nation.
(Revelation 13:7 [ESV])

And from a known prophecy in Daniel, one prophetic day is derived to be one literal year, which was the seventy weeks prophecy of Daniel which predicted the coming of Jesus Christ to be four hundred and ninety years after the decree to rebuild Jerusalem after the Babylonian captivity,

Seventy weeks are decreed upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most holy. (Daniel 9:24 [ASV])

Therefore, forty two months, which is also three and a half years, is derived to be one thousand two hundred and sixty literal years. As such, this time of papal authority was fulfilled beginning around 538 AD when the pope was officially granted power by the Justinian Code, to around 1798 AD when the pope was taken into captivity by the French, and so, throughout this appointed time, inquisitions and massacres were perpetrated by the rule of the papacy, which indeed martyred the holy people of God. And when the pope was taken into captivity is when the sixth head received its fatal wound,

One of the heads of the beast seemed to have had a fatal wound... (Revelation 13:3 [NIV])

After the sixth head, also came the Ottomans as the seventh head, which came for a little time,

...the other has not yet come; but when he does come, he must remain for only a little while. (Revelation 17:10 [NIV])

And around the time that the papacy was abolished, came forth the second beast of Revelation,

Then I saw a second beast, coming out of the earth...(Revelation 13:11 [NIV])

As such, just as the seas symbolize many peoples, the earth symbolizes a sparse population, and so the United States ascended as a new kingdom in what was said to be a new world, thus fulfilling the prophecy of the second beast. And in likewise manner that the second beast exercises all the authority in relation to the first beast,

It exercised all the authority of the first beast on its behalf, and made the earth and its inhabitants worship the first beast, whose fatal wound had been healed. (Revelation 13:12 [NIV])

So has the United States come forth as a kingdom related to the kingdoms symbolized by the first beast, in great authority in the world as those kingdoms once were, and was even birthed from the descendants of the kingdoms that the kingdom of the Romans broke up into, which were the European colonies that gave rise to the Americans. In which case, the United States ascended in the form of government that the sixth head first was, which was the democratic government that the Romans first were, which is a rulership of the majority, determining good or evil by the vote of the majority. In which case, this democratic form of government is also what the eighth and final head will be,

The beast who once was, and now is not, is an eighth king. He belongs to the seven and is going to his destruction. (Revelation 17:11 [NIV])
The beast, which you saw, once was, now is not, and yet will come up out of the Abyss and go to its destruction. The inhabitants of the earth whose names have not been written in the book of life from the creation of the world will be astonished when they see the beast, because it once was, now is not, and yet will come. (Romans 17:8 [NIV])

Since at the time the vision was given, the sixth head was not a republic, but a kingdom ruled by Roman emperors, hence "the beast that once was, and now is not". This also relates to why the ten horns that the Romans broke up into had crowns,

...It had ten horns and seven heads, with ten crowns on its horns, and on each head a blasphemous name.
(Revelation 13:1 [NIV])

As opposed to the ten final horns of the first beast that do not have crowns, when the time that the eighth head comes to be, because a horn with a crown symbolizes a monarchy whereas a horn without a crown symbolizes a republic. As such, the government of the United States was formed in the image of the Roman government, which is the form of government that it tells the inhabitants of the earth to form as an image of the beast,

...deceives those who dwell on earth, telling them to make an image for the beast that was wounded by the sword and yet lived. (Revelation 13:14 [ESV])

Which are democratic forms of government throughout the world that image the first beast and itself, and so, we see this already fulfilled with the promotion of independent democracies by the United States throughout the entire world, even fighting wars to create and promote new democracies and quash opposition, thus also fulfilling this prophecy,

...telling them to make an image for the beast that was wounded by the sword and yet lived. And it was allowed to give breath to the image of the beast, so that the image of the beast might even speak and might cause those who would not worship the image of the beast to be slain. (Revelation 13:14-15 [ESV])

In which case, most of the kingdoms of the world have already become republics that image the first beast. And not only does the second beast influence the entire world, but it also exercises great power, to even cause fire to rain down from heaven,

And it performed great signs, even causing fire to come down from heaven to the earth in full view of the people. (Revelation 13:13 [NIV])

Which relates to the power the United States exercises by its own technology, to even bomb and destroy entire cities using its military and air force, displaying incredible power that no kingdom has ever had before. Such signs, among other technological wonders in various industries, such as communications, transportation, and medicine, have caused the entire world to be in awe and deceived by its signs,

and by the signs that it is allowed to work in the presence of the beast it deceives those who dwell on earth...
(Revelation 13:14 [ESV])

Which has caused the world to want to mimic the Americans as a result of the deception. The second beast has not just promoted its form of government to the world, but also its way of life, which includes entertainment with movies & music, financial system of debt, its sexual lewdness, and decadence. The two horns of the second beast symbolize congress and the presidency as the two ruling powers of the United States,

...It had two horns like a lamb, but it spoke like a dragon. (Revelation 13:11 [NIV])

In which case, as a lamb, the United States is perceived to be godly, yet as a dragon it spreads wickedness around the world. During this time, the eighth and final head of the first beast is already forming as the European Union, in which case many countries have already given their authority to this union, yet its final form will be a republic that will be given authority by ten kingdoms that have not yet received authority,

"The ten horns you saw are ten kings who have not yet received a kingdom, but who for one hour will receive authority as kings along with the beast. They have one purpose and will give their power and authority to the beast. (Revelation 17:12-13 [NIV])

And their sole purpose when they receive authority will be to give their authority to the final formation of the European republic, in which case, this final republic will wage war against Jesus Christ when he returns,

They will wage war against the Lamb, but the Lamb will triumph over them because he is Lord of lords and King of kings--and with him will be his called, chosen and faithful followers." (Revelation 17:14 [NIV])

And as the formation of the eighth head comes to be, the fatal wound of the sixth was healed,

One of the heads of the beast seemed to have had a fatal wound, but the fatal wound had been healed.The whole world was filled with wonder and followed the beast. (Revelation 13:3 [NIV])

Which was the reinstatement of the papacy around 1929 by Benito Mussolini, which brought forth the whore of Babylon, which sits upon the first beast that has the seven heads and ten horns,

And he carried me away in the Spirit into a wilderness, and I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast that was full of blasphemous names, and it had seven heads and ten horns. (Revelation 17:3 [ESV])

And is involved with the kings and governments of the world, and has made the inhabitants of the entire world drunk with the wine of her false teachings,

with whom the kings of the earth have committed sexual immorality, and with the wine of whose sexual immorality the dwellers on earth have become drunk.
(Revelation 17:2 [ESV])

And is also a mother of whores,

The name written on her forehead was a mystery: babylon the great the mother of prostitutes and of the abominations of the earth. (Revelation 17:5 [NIV])

Because as a false church symbolized by a whore, she has given birth to more whores, which are all the false churches and false denominations that have come forth from the catholic church, borrowing many of her false teachings. In which case, the papacy is enthroned at the Vatican, which sits in the city that has seven hills, which is Rome,

"This calls for a mind with wisdom. The seven heads are seven hills on which the woman sits. They are also seven kings...
(Revelation 17:9 [NIV])

As such, the Vatican sits upon the first beast because she is a culmination of all the heads of the first beast, which is why the teachings and symbols of the catholic church all relate to teachings and symbols going back to the Babylonians and the Egyptians. The whore of Babylon is also said to be drunk with the blood of the saints,

I saw that the woman was drunk with the blood of God's holy people, the blood of those who bore testimony to Jesus. When I saw her, I was greatly astonished. (Revelation 17:6 [NIV])

Because the papacy persecuted the people of God as the first beast having authority for one thousand two hundred and sixty years before it became drunk with their blood when it became the whore of Babylon during the formation of the eighth and final head of the first beast. As such, the Vatican will be destroyed by the ten kingdoms that will give their authority to the final European republic,

And the ten horns that you saw, they and the beast will hate the prostitute. They will make her desolate and naked, and devour her flesh and burn her up with fire, (Revelation 17:16 [ESV])

And before they burn the Vatican with fire, they will first make her naked by exposing something shameful about her and will then will devour her flesh by ransacking her. This is one of the final signs before the second coming of Jesus Christ.
 

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cga, your post above promotes a preterist view of prophecy.
​Most scholars agree that a lot of prophecy has a partial near fulfilment and a later and complete fulfilment.
For example; Titus didn't actually sit in the Temple and declare himself to be god. And the ten people groups after the fall of the Roman Empire, will be superseded by ten world regions, as we see the One World Govt promoters have decided. Google 'ten world regions'.

The Papacy will be destroyed by the Anti-Christ leader of the OWG, because he will demand worship of himself.

We are very close now, to the time the end time events will commence, starting with the worldwide disaster of the Sixth Seal. That sudden, shocking one Day of fire from the sun, Isaiah 30:25-30, will set the scene for all that must happen before Jesus Returns.
 
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cga said:
A beast in prophecy symbolizes a kingdom, hence why this beast in the book of Daniel was said to symbolize a kingdom,

"He gave me this explanation: 'The fourth beast is a fourth kingdom that will appear on earth... (Daniel 7:23 [NIV])

As such, the first beast of Revelation having multiple heads symbolizes multiple kingdoms, hence why it rises out of the sea,

And I stood upon the sand of the sea. And I saw from out of the sea a wild beast ascending, having ten horns and seven heads... (Revelation of John 13:1 [ABP])

Since the sea symbolizes many kinds of peoples and languages,

And he says to me, The waters which you saw, where the harlot sits, are peoples and multitudes, and nations, and languages. (Revelation of John 17:15 [ABP])

And so, each head of this first beast symbolizes a series of kingdoms that comes forth chronologically one after the other, with the sixth head as the current ruling power at the time the vision was given,

And there are seven kings -- the five fallen, the one is, the other not yet is come... (Revelation of John 17:10 [ABP])

With one kingdom expected to come, and five kingdoms already fallen. As such, the current ruling kingdom at the time the vision was given were the Romans. And after these seven heads, comes an eighth head, and that is the kingdom that will be in ruling power at the coming of Jesus Christ,

And the beast which was, and is not, even he is eighth, and he is from out of the seven, and he goes unto destruction. (Revelation of John 17:11 [ABP])

As such, just as we observe the first beast rising from many peoples, and just as each head encompassing a large span of time throughout a series of kingdoms, we can also observe a correlation between these other descriptions of the first beast,

And the beast which I saw was likened to a leopard, and his feet as a bear, and his mouth as a mouth of a lion... (Revelation of John 13:2 [ABP])

To the four beasts of a Daniel, which were four kingdoms, in which case beast one of Daniel was likened to a lion, which relates to the mouth of a lion of the first beast of Revelation, who we came to know as the Babylonians,

And four great beasts came up out of the sea, different from one another. The first was like a lion and had eagles’ wings. Then as I looked its wings were plucked off, and it was lifted up from the ground and made to stand on two feet like a man, and the mind of a man was given to it. (Daniel 7:3-4 [ESV])

And beast two of Daniel was likened to a bear, which relates to the feet of a bear of the first beast of Revelation, who we came to know as the Medo-Persians,

And behold, another beast, a second one, like a bear. It was raised up on one side. It had three ribs in its mouth between its teeth; and it was told, ‘Arise, devour much flesh.’ (Daniel 7:5 [ESV])

And beast three of Daniel was likened to a leopard, which relates to the appearance of a leopard of the first beast of Revelation, who we came to know as the Greeks,

After this I looked, and behold, another, like a leopard, with four wings of a bird on its back. And the beast had four heads, and dominion was given to it. (Daniel 7:6 [ESV])

And beast four of Daniel had ten horns, which relates to the ten horns of the first beast of Revelation, who we came to know as the Romans,

After this I saw in the night visions, and behold, a fourth beast, terrifying and dreadful and exceedingly strong. It had great iron teeth; it devoured and broke in pieces and stamped what was left with its feet. It was different from all the beasts that were before it, and it had ten horns. (Daniel 7:7 [ESV])

As such, because of this correlation, we can further identify the heads that precede the Romans as the sixth head, which were the Greeks as the fifth head, and before them were the Medo-Persians as the fourth head, and before them were the Babylonians as the third head. And lastly, we can also identify the two remaining heads, which were the Assyrians as the second head, and ultimately, we arrive at the first kingdom to ever rule over the people of God, which were the Egyptians as the first head, who enslaved the Israelites for around 400 years,

Then the LORD said to him, "Know for certain that for four hundred years your descendants will be strangers in a country not their own and that they will be enslaved and mistreated there. (Genesis 15:13 [NIV])

And so, the first beast symbolizes all kingdoms ruling over and coming against the people of God from the time of the Egyptians to the time of the second coming of Jesus Christ. This is also why anyone who is not written in the book of life ends up worshiping the first beast, both in the past, present, and future, because throughout time the first beast has manifested itself through various kingdoms, which were all powerful and influential kingdoms for their time,

and all who dwell on earth will worship it, everyone whose name has not been written before the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who was slain. (Revelation 13:8 [ESV])

And just as the dragon gives his authority to the first beast,

...And to it the dragon gave his power and his throne and great authority. (Revelation 13:2 [ESV])

So has Satan, who is symbolized by the dragon, throughout time, has granted his authority to each kingdom symbolized by the heads of first beast,

in which the god of this eon blinded the thoughts of the unbelieving, so as to not shine forth to them the illumination of the good news of the glory of the Christ, who is image of the unseen of God. (2 Corinthians 4:4 [ABP])
The devil led him up to a high place and showed him in an instant all the kingdoms of the world. And he said to him, "I will give you all their authority and splendor; it has been given to me, and I can give it to anyone I want to. (Luke 4:5-6 [NIV])

And whoever worships these kingdoms by serving them, also worships Satan,

And they worshiped the dragon, for he had given his authority to the beast, and they worshiped the beast, saying, “Who is like the beast, and who can fight against it?” (Revelation 13:4 [ESV])

And so, the kingdom of the Romans, as the sixth head of the first beast having ten horns, which is also beast four of Daniel having ten horns, broke up into ten kingdoms, in which case, although the fall of the Roman empire is obscured by many different historical accounts, the ten kingdoms may be said to be the Franks, the Huns, the Visigoths, the Burgundians, the Suevi, the Anglo-Saxons, the Lombards, the Vandals, the Ostrogoths, and the Heruli. And during these horns, came forth an eleventh little horn,

I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots... (Daniel 7:8 [AKJV])

In which case, this little horn symbolizes the papacy, hence why the little horn is described as having the eyes of a man,

...And behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of a man... (Daniel 7:8 [NHEB])

In which case, the papacy destroyed the Vandals, the Ostrogoths, and the Heruli, which are the three horns uprooted by the eleventh little horn. This little horn not only symbolizes the papacy, but is also the antichrist that the elect were expecting to come,

Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour. (1 John 2:18 [NIV])
Let no one in any way deceive you, for it will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, who opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, displaying himself as being God. (2 Thessalonians 2:3 [NASB])
“And the king shall do as he wills. He shall exalt himself and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak astonishing things against the God of gods. He shall prosper till the indignation is accomplished; for what is decreed shall be done. (Daniel 11:36 [ESV])

As such, the antichrist is a Roman seat of authority occupied by one man, which began as the authority of Roman emperors, in which case, Titus fulfilled the prophecy as the desolator that came and destroyed Jerusalem and the temple, who even desecrated the temple of God and exalted himself above gods,

...And on the wing of abominations shall come one who makes desolate, until the decreed end is poured out on the desolator.” (Daniel 9:27 [ESV])
"So when you see standing in the holy place 'the abomination that causes desolation,' spoken of through the prophet Daniel--let the reader understand-- then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. Let no one on the housetop go down to take anything out of the house. Let no one in the field go back to get their cloak. How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! Pray that your flight will not take place in winter or on the Sabbath. (Matthew 24:15-20 [NIV])
"When you see Jerusalem being surrounded by armies, you will know that its desolation is near. Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let those in the city get out, and let those in the country not enter the city. For this is the time of punishment in fulfillment of all that has been written. How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! There will be great distress in the land and wrath against this people. They will fall by the sword and will be taken as prisoners to all the nations. Jerusalem will be trampled on by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled. (Luke 21:20-24 [NIV])
Some of his disciples were remarking about how the temple was adorned with beautiful stones and with gifts dedicated to God. But Jesus said, "As for what you see here, the time will come when not one stone will be left on another; every one of them will be thrown down." (Luke 21:5-6 [NIV])

And so, this Roman seat of authority continued to live on through what later came forth to be the Roman papacy, in which case, the final pope will be the one upon whom the "decreed end is poured out on the desolator", in which case he will be destroyed by Jesus Christ himself at his second coming,

And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming. (2 Thessalonians 2:8 [NIV])

And so, during the rule of Roman emperors, the apostasy that was prophesied to come brought forth the catholic church, which in turn brought forth the papacy, who through various popes has made arrogant boasts exalting himself to be God on earth,

...and a mouth speaking arrogant things. (Daniel 7:8 [NHEB])

Which correlates with the first beast of Revelation also speaking haughty words,

And the beast was given a mouth uttering haughty and blasphemous words... (Revelation 13:5 [ESV])

Even altering Jewish laws and times by establishing new times, such as Christmas, Easter, Sunday as the new Sabbath,

He will speak against the Most High and oppress his holy people and try to change the set times and the laws... (Daniel 7:25 [NIV])

And has even spoken blasphemies against God and those who dwell in heaven through many false teachings,

And the beast was given a mouth uttering haughty and blasphemous words. It opened its mouth to utter blasphemies against God, blaspheming his name and his dwelling, that is, those who dwell in heaven. (Revelation 13:5-6 [ESV])

This little horn is also said to persecute the holy people for a time, times, and half a time,

...The holy people will be delivered into his hands for a time, times and half a time.
(Daniel 7:25 [NIV])

And since Nebuchadnezzar lost his sanity for seven times, which was seven years, therefore a time is derived to be one year,

Let his mind be changed from that of a man and let him be given the mind of an animal, till seven times pass by for him. (Daniel 4:16 [NIV])

As such, a times is derived to be two times, therefore, one time plus two times plus a half time is three and a half years, which corresponds to forty two months that the first beast is said to have authority to wage war against the holy people,

And the beast was given a mouth uttering haughty and blasphemous words, and it was allowed to exercise authority for forty-two months. (Revelation 13:5 [ESV])


It was given power to wage war against God's holy people and to conquer them. And it was given authority over every tribe, people, language and nation.
(Revelation 13:7 [ESV])

And from a known prophecy in Daniel, one prophetic day is derived to be one literal year, which was the seventy weeks prophecy of Daniel which predicted the coming of Jesus Christ to be four hundred and ninety years after the decree to rebuild Jerusalem after the Babylonian captivity,

Seventy weeks are decreed upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most holy. (Daniel 9:24 [ASV])

Therefore, forty two months, which is also three and a half years, is derived to be one thousand two hundred and sixty literal years. As such, this time of papal authority was fulfilled beginning around 538 AD when the pope was officially granted power by the Justinian Code, to around 1798 AD when the pope was taken into captivity by the French, and so, throughout this appointed time, inquisitions and massacres were perpetrated by the rule of the papacy, which indeed martyred the holy people of God. And when the pope was taken into captivity is when the sixth head received its fatal wound,

One of the heads of the beast seemed to have had a fatal wound... (Revelation 13:3 [NIV])

After the sixth head, also came the Ottomans as the seventh head, which came for a little time,

...the other has not yet come; but when he does come, he must remain for only a little while. (Revelation 17:10 [NIV])

And around the time that the papacy was abolished, came forth the second beast of Revelation,

Then I saw a second beast, coming out of the earth...(Revelation 13:11 [NIV])

As such, just as the seas symbolize many peoples, the earth symbolizes a sparse population, and so the United States ascended as a new kingdom in what was said to be a new world, thus fulfilling the prophecy of the second beast. And in likewise manner that the second beast exercises all the authority in relation to the first beast,

It exercised all the authority of the first beast on its behalf, and made the earth and its inhabitants worship the first beast, whose fatal wound had been healed. (Revelation 13:12 [NIV])

So has the United States come forth as a kingdom related to the kingdoms symbolized by the first beast, in great authority in the world as those kingdoms once were, and was even birthed from the descendants of the kingdoms that the kingdom of the Romans broke up into, which were the European colonies that gave rise to the Americans. In which case, the United States ascended in the form of government that the sixth head first was, which was the democratic government that the Romans first were, which is a rulership of the majority, determining good or evil by the vote of the majority. In which case, this democratic form of government is also what the eighth and final head will be,

The beast who once was, and now is not, is an eighth king. He belongs to the seven and is going to his destruction. (Revelation 17:11 [NIV])
The beast, which you saw, once was, now is not, and yet will come up out of the Abyss and go to its destruction. The inhabitants of the earth whose names have not been written in the book of life from the creation of the world will be astonished when they see the beast, because it once was, now is not, and yet will come. (Romans 17:8 [NIV])

Since at the time the vision was given, the sixth head was not a republic, but a kingdom ruled by Roman emperors, hence "the beast that once was, and now is not". This also relates to why the ten horns that the Romans broke up into had crowns,

...It had ten horns and seven heads, with ten crowns on its horns, and on each head a blasphemous name.
(Revelation 13:1 [NIV])

As opposed to the ten final horns of the first beast that do not have crowns, when the time that the eighth head comes to be, because a horn with a crown symbolizes a monarchy whereas a horn without a crown symbolizes a republic. As such, the government of the United States was formed in the image of the Roman government, which is the form of government that it tells the inhabitants of the earth to form as an image of the beast,

...deceives those who dwell on earth, telling them to make an image for the beast that was wounded by the sword and yet lived. (Revelation 13:14 [ESV])

Which are democratic forms of government throughout the world that image the first beast and itself, and so, we see this already fulfilled with the promotion of independent democracies by the United States throughout the entire world, even fighting wars to create and promote new democracies and quash opposition, thus also fulfilling this prophecy,

...telling them to make an image for the beast that was wounded by the sword and yet lived. And it was allowed to give breath to the image of the beast, so that the image of the beast might even speak and might cause those who would not worship the image of the beast to be slain. (Revelation 13:14-15 [ESV])

In which case, most of the kingdoms of the world have already become republics that image the first beast. And not only does the second beast influence the entire world, but it also exercises great power, to even cause fire to rain down from heaven,

And it performed great signs, even causing fire to come down from heaven to the earth in full view of the people. (Revelation 13:13 [NIV])

Which relates to the power the United States exercises by its own technology, to even bomb and destroy entire cities using its military and air force, displaying incredible power that no kingdom has ever had before. Such signs, among other technological wonders in various industries, such as communications, transportation, and medicine, have caused the entire world to be in awe and deceived by its signs,

and by the signs that it is allowed to work in the presence of the beast it deceives those who dwell on earth...
(Revelation 13:14 [ESV])

Which has caused the world to want to mimic the Americans as a result of the deception. The second beast has not just promoted its form of government to the world, but also its way of life, which includes entertainment with movies & music, financial system of debt, its sexual lewdness, and decadence. The two horns of the second beast symbolize congress and the presidency as the two ruling powers of the United States,

...It had two horns like a lamb, but it spoke like a dragon. (Revelation 13:11 [NIV])

In which case, as a lamb, the United States is perceived to be godly, yet as a dragon it spreads wickedness around the world. During this time, the eighth and final head of the first beast is already forming as the European Union, in which case many countries have already given their authority to this union, yet its final form will be a republic that will be given authority by ten kingdoms that have not yet received authority,

"The ten horns you saw are ten kings who have not yet received a kingdom, but who for one hour will receive authority as kings along with the beast. They have one purpose and will give their power and authority to the beast. (Revelation 17:12-13 [NIV])

And their sole purpose when they receive authority will be to give their authority to the final formation of the European republic, in which case, this final republic will wage war against Jesus Christ when he returns,

They will wage war against the Lamb, but the Lamb will triumph over them because he is Lord of lords and King of kings--and with him will be his called, chosen and faithful followers." (Revelation 17:14 [NIV])

And as the formation of the eighth head comes to be, the fatal wound of the sixth was healed,

One of the heads of the beast seemed to have had a fatal wound, but the fatal wound had been healed.The whole world was filled with wonder and followed the beast. (Revelation 13:3 [NIV])

Which was the reinstatement of the papacy around 1929 by Benito Mussolini, which brought forth the whore of Babylon, which sits upon the first beast that has the seven heads and ten horns,

And he carried me away in the Spirit into a wilderness, and I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast that was full of blasphemous names, and it had seven heads and ten horns. (Revelation 17:3 [ESV])

And is involved with the kings and governments of the world, and has made the inhabitants of the entire world drunk with the wine of her false teachings,

with whom the kings of the earth have committed sexual immorality, and with the wine of whose sexual immorality the dwellers on earth have become drunk.
(Revelation 17:2 [ESV])

And is also a mother of whores,

The name written on her forehead was a mystery: babylon the great the mother of prostitutes and of the abominations of the earth. (Revelation 17:5 [NIV])

Because as a false church symbolized by a whore, she has given birth to more whores, which are all the false churches and false denominations that have come forth from the catholic church, borrowing many of her false teachings. In which case, the papacy is enthroned at the Vatican, which sits in the city that has seven hills, which is Rome,

"This calls for a mind with wisdom. The seven heads are seven hills on which the woman sits. They are also seven kings...
(Revelation 17:9 [NIV])

As such, the Vatican sits upon the first beast because she is a culmination of all the heads of the first beast, which is why the teachings and symbols of the catholic church all relate to teachings and symbols going back to the Babylonians and the Egyptians. The whore of Babylon is also said to be drunk with the blood of the saints,

I saw that the woman was drunk with the blood of God's holy people, the blood of those who bore testimony to Jesus. When I saw her, I was greatly astonished. (Revelation 17:6 [NIV])

Because the papacy persecuted the people of God as the first beast having authority for one thousand two hundred and sixty years before it became drunk with their blood when it became the whore of Babylon during the formation of the eighth and final head of the first beast. As such, the Vatican will be destroyed by the ten kingdoms that will give their authority to the final European republic,

And the ten horns that you saw, they and the beast will hate the prostitute. They will make her desolate and naked, and devour her flesh and burn her up with fire, (Revelation 17:16 [ESV])

And before they burn the Vatican with fire, they will first make her naked by exposing something shameful about her and will then will devour her flesh by ransacking her. This is one of the final signs before the second coming of Jesus Christ.
cga said:
A beast in prophecy symbolizes a kingdom, hence why this beast in the book of Daniel was said to symbolize a kingdom,

"He gave me this explanation: 'The fourth beast is a fourth kingdom that will appear on earth... (Daniel 7:23 [NIV])

As such, the first beast of Revelation having multiple heads symbolizes multiple kingdoms, hence why it rises out of the sea,

And I stood upon the sand of the sea. And I saw from out of the sea a wild beast ascending, having ten horns and seven heads... (Revelation of John 13:1 [ABP])

Since the sea symbolizes many kinds of peoples and languages,

And he says to me, The waters which you saw, where the harlot sits, are peoples and multitudes, and nations, and languages. (Revelation of John 17:15 [ABP])

And so, each head of this first beast symbolizes a series of kingdoms that comes forth chronologically one after the other, with the sixth head as the current ruling power at the time the vision was given,

And there are seven kings -- the five fallen, the one is, the other not yet is come... (Revelation of John 17:10 [ABP])

With one kingdom expected to come, and five kingdoms already fallen. As such, the current ruling kingdom at the time the vision was given were the Romans. And after these seven heads, comes an eighth head, and that is the kingdom that will be in ruling power at the coming of Jesus Christ,

And the beast which was, and is not, even he is eighth, and he is from out of the seven, and he goes unto destruction. (Revelation of John 17:11 [ABP])

As such, just as we observe the first beast rising from many peoples, and just as each head encompassing a large span of time throughout a series of kingdoms, we can also observe a correlation between these other descriptions of the first beast,

And the beast which I saw was likened to a leopard, and his feet as a bear, and his mouth as a mouth of a lion... (Revelation of John 13:2 [ABP])

To the four beasts of a Daniel, which were four kingdoms, in which case beast one of Daniel was likened to a lion, which relates to the mouth of a lion of the first beast of Revelation, who we came to know as the Babylonians,

And four great beasts came up out of the sea, different from one another. The first was like a lion and had eagles’ wings. Then as I looked its wings were plucked off, and it was lifted up from the ground and made to stand on two feet like a man, and the mind of a man was given to it. (Daniel 7:3-4 [ESV])

And beast two of Daniel was likened to a bear, which relates to the feet of a bear of the first beast of Revelation, who we came to know as the Medo-Persians,

And behold, another beast, a second one, like a bear. It was raised up on one side. It had three ribs in its mouth between its teeth; and it was told, ‘Arise, devour much flesh.’ (Daniel 7:5 [ESV])

And beast three of Daniel was likened to a leopard, which relates to the appearance of a leopard of the first beast of Revelation, who we came to know as the Greeks,

After this I looked, and behold, another, like a leopard, with four wings of a bird on its back. And the beast had four heads, and dominion was given to it. (Daniel 7:6 [ESV])

And beast four of Daniel had ten horns, which relates to the ten horns of the first beast of Revelation, who we came to know as the Romans,

After this I saw in the night visions, and behold, a fourth beast, terrifying and dreadful and exceedingly strong. It had great iron teeth; it devoured and broke in pieces and stamped what was left with its feet. It was different from all the beasts that were before it, and it had ten horns. (Daniel 7:7 [ESV])

As such, because of this correlation, we can further identify the heads that precede the Romans as the sixth head, which were the Greeks as the fifth head, and before them were the Medo-Persians as the fourth head, and before them were the Babylonians as the third head. And lastly, we can also identify the two remaining heads, which were the Assyrians as the second head, and ultimately, we arrive at the first kingdom to ever rule over the people of God, which were the Egyptians as the first head, who enslaved the Israelites for around 400 years,

Then the LORD said to him, "Know for certain that for four hundred years your descendants will be strangers in a country not their own and that they will be enslaved and mistreated there. (Genesis 15:13 [NIV])

And so, the first beast symbolizes all kingdoms ruling over and coming against the people of God from the time of the Egyptians to the time of the second coming of Jesus Christ. This is also why anyone who is not written in the book of life ends up worshiping the first beast, both in the past, present, and future, because throughout time the first beast has manifested itself through various kingdoms, which were all powerful and influential kingdoms for their time,

and all who dwell on earth will worship it, everyone whose name has not been written before the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who was slain. (Revelation 13:8 [ESV])

And just as the dragon gives his authority to the first beast,

...And to it the dragon gave his power and his throne and great authority. (Revelation 13:2 [ESV])

So has Satan, who is symbolized by the dragon, throughout time, has granted his authority to each kingdom symbolized by the heads of first beast,

in which the god of this eon blinded the thoughts of the unbelieving, so as to not shine forth to them the illumination of the good news of the glory of the Christ, who is image of the unseen of God. (2 Corinthians 4:4 [ABP])
The devil led him up to a high place and showed him in an instant all the kingdoms of the world. And he said to him, "I will give you all their authority and splendor; it has been given to me, and I can give it to anyone I want to. (Luke 4:5-6 [NIV])

And whoever worships these kingdoms by serving them, also worships Satan,

And they worshiped the dragon, for he had given his authority to the beast, and they worshiped the beast, saying, “Who is like the beast, and who can fight against it?” (Revelation 13:4 [ESV])

And so, the kingdom of the Romans, as the sixth head of the first beast having ten horns, which is also beast four of Daniel having ten horns, broke up into ten kingdoms, in which case, although the fall of the Roman empire is obscured by many different historical accounts, the ten kingdoms may be said to be the Franks, the Huns, the Visigoths, the Burgundians, the Suevi, the Anglo-Saxons, the Lombards, the Vandals, the Ostrogoths, and the Heruli. And during these horns, came forth an eleventh little horn,

I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots... (Daniel 7:8 [AKJV])

In which case, this little horn symbolizes the papacy, hence why the little horn is described as having the eyes of a man,

...And behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of a man... (Daniel 7:8 [NHEB])

In which case, the papacy destroyed the Vandals, the Ostrogoths, and the Heruli, which are the three horns uprooted by the eleventh little horn. This little horn not only symbolizes the papacy, but is also the antichrist that the elect were expecting to come,

Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour. (1 John 2:18 [NIV])
Let no one in any way deceive you, for it will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, who opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, displaying himself as being God. (2 Thessalonians 2:3 [NASB])
“And the king shall do as he wills. He shall exalt himself and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak astonishing things against the God of gods. He shall prosper till the indignation is accomplished; for what is decreed shall be done. (Daniel 11:36 [ESV])

As such, the antichrist is a Roman seat of authority occupied by one man, which began as the authority of Roman emperors, in which case, Titus fulfilled the prophecy as the desolator that came and destroyed Jerusalem and the temple, who even desecrated the temple of God and exalted himself above gods,

...And on the wing of abominations shall come one who makes desolate, until the decreed end is poured out on the desolator.” (Daniel 9:27 [ESV])
"So when you see standing in the holy place 'the abomination that causes desolation,' spoken of through the prophet Daniel--let the reader understand-- then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. Let no one on the housetop go down to take anything out of the house. Let no one in the field go back to get their cloak. How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! Pray that your flight will not take place in winter or on the Sabbath. (Matthew 24:15-20 [NIV])
"When you see Jerusalem being surrounded by armies, you will know that its desolation is near. Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let those in the city get out, and let those in the country not enter the city. For this is the time of punishment in fulfillment of all that has been written. How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! There will be great distress in the land and wrath against this people. They will fall by the sword and will be taken as prisoners to all the nations. Jerusalem will be trampled on by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled. (Luke 21:20-24 [NIV])
Some of his disciples were remarking about how the temple was adorned with beautiful stones and with gifts dedicated to God. But Jesus said, "As for what you see here, the time will come when not one stone will be left on another; every one of them will be thrown down." (Luke 21:5-6 [NIV])

And so, this Roman seat of authority continued to live on through what later came forth to be the Roman papacy, in which case, the final pope will be the one upon whom the "decreed end is poured out on the desolator", in which case he will be destroyed by Jesus Christ himself at his second coming,

And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming. (2 Thessalonians 2:8 [NIV])

And so, during the rule of Roman emperors, the apostasy that was prophesied to come brought forth the catholic church, which in turn brought forth the papacy, who through various popes has made arrogant boasts exalting himself to be God on earth,

...and a mouth speaking arrogant things. (Daniel 7:8 [NHEB])

Which correlates with the first beast of Revelation also speaking haughty words,

And the beast was given a mouth uttering haughty and blasphemous words... (Revelation 13:5 [ESV])

Even altering Jewish laws and times by establishing new times, such as Christmas, Easter, Sunday as the new Sabbath,

He will speak against the Most High and oppress his holy people and try to change the set times and the laws... (Daniel 7:25 [NIV])

And has even spoken blasphemies against God and those who dwell in heaven through many false teachings,

And the beast was given a mouth uttering haughty and blasphemous words. It opened its mouth to utter blasphemies against God, blaspheming his name and his dwelling, that is, those who dwell in heaven. (Revelation 13:5-6 [ESV])

This little horn is also said to persecute the holy people for a time, times, and half a time,

...The holy people will be delivered into his hands for a time, times and half a time.
(Daniel 7:25 [NIV])

And since Nebuchadnezzar lost his sanity for seven times, which was seven years, therefore a time is derived to be one year,

Let his mind be changed from that of a man and let him be given the mind of an animal, till seven times pass by for him. (Daniel 4:16 [NIV])

As such, a times is derived to be two times, therefore, one time plus two times plus a half time is three and a half years, which corresponds to forty two months that the first beast is said to have authority to wage war against the holy people,

And the beast was given a mouth uttering haughty and blasphemous words, and it was allowed to exercise authority for forty-two months. (Revelation 13:5 [ESV])


It was given power to wage war against God's holy people and to conquer them. And it was given authority over every tribe, people, language and nation.
(Revelation 13:7 [ESV])

And from a known prophecy in Daniel, one prophetic day is derived to be one literal year, which was the seventy weeks prophecy of Daniel which predicted the coming of Jesus Christ to be four hundred and ninety years after the decree to rebuild Jerusalem after the Babylonian captivity,

Seventy weeks are decreed upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most holy. (Daniel 9:24 [ASV])

Therefore, forty two months, which is also three and a half years, is derived to be one thousand two hundred and sixty literal years. As such, this time of papal authority was fulfilled beginning around 538 AD when the pope was officially granted power by the Justinian Code, to around 1798 AD when the pope was taken into captivity by the French, and so, throughout this appointed time, inquisitions and massacres were perpetrated by the rule of the papacy, which indeed martyred the holy people of God. And when the pope was taken into captivity is when the sixth head received its fatal wound,

One of the heads of the beast seemed to have had a fatal wound... (Revelation 13:3 [NIV])

After the sixth head, also came the Ottomans as the seventh head, which came for a little time,

...the other has not yet come; but when he does come, he must remain for only a little while. (Revelation 17:10 [NIV])

And around the time that the papacy was abolished, came forth the second beast of Revelation,

Then I saw a second beast, coming out of the earth...(Revelation 13:11 [NIV])

As such, just as the seas symbolize many peoples, the earth symbolizes a sparse population, and so the United States ascended as a new kingdom in what was said to be a new world, thus fulfilling the prophecy of the second beast. And in likewise manner that the second beast exercises all the authority in relation to the first beast,

It exercised all the authority of the first beast on its behalf, and made the earth and its inhabitants worship the first beast, whose fatal wound had been healed. (Revelation 13:12 [NIV])

So has the United States come forth as a kingdom related to the kingdoms symbolized by the first beast, in great authority in the world as those kingdoms once were, and was even birthed from the descendants of the kingdoms that the kingdom of the Romans broke up into, which were the European colonies that gave rise to the Americans. In which case, the United States ascended in the form of government that the sixth head first was, which was the democratic government that the Romans first were, which is a rulership of the majority, determining good or evil by the vote of the majority. In which case, this democratic form of government is also what the eighth and final head will be,

The beast who once was, and now is not, is an eighth king. He belongs to the seven and is going to his destruction. (Revelation 17:11 [NIV])
The beast, which you saw, once was, now is not, and yet will come up out of the Abyss and go to its destruction. The inhabitants of the earth whose names have not been written in the book of life from the creation of the world will be astonished when they see the beast, because it once was, now is not, and yet will come. (Romans 17:8 [NIV])

Since at the time the vision was given, the sixth head was not a republic, but a kingdom ruled by Roman emperors, hence "the beast that once was, and now is not". This also relates to why the ten horns that the Romans broke up into had crowns,

...It had ten horns and seven heads, with ten crowns on its horns, and on each head a blasphemous name.
(Revelation 13:1 [NIV])

As opposed to the ten final horns of the first beast that do not have crowns, when the time that the eighth head comes to be, because a horn with a crown symbolizes a monarchy whereas a horn without a crown symbolizes a republic. As such, the government of the United States was formed in the image of the Roman government, which is the form of government that it tells the inhabitants of the earth to form as an image of the beast,

...deceives those who dwell on earth, telling them to make an image for the beast that was wounded by the sword and yet lived. (Revelation 13:14 [ESV])

Which are democratic forms of government throughout the world that image the first beast and itself, and so, we see this already fulfilled with the promotion of independent democracies by the United States throughout the entire world, even fighting wars to create and promote new democracies and quash opposition, thus also fulfilling this prophecy,

...telling them to make an image for the beast that was wounded by the sword and yet lived. And it was allowed to give breath to the image of the beast, so that the image of the beast might even speak and might cause those who would not worship the image of the beast to be slain. (Revelation 13:14-15 [ESV])

In which case, most of the kingdoms of the world have already become republics that image the first beast. And not only does the second beast influence the entire world, but it also exercises great power, to even cause fire to rain down from heaven,

And it performed great signs, even causing fire to come down from heaven to the earth in full view of the people. (Revelation 13:13 [NIV])

Which relates to the power the United States exercises by its own technology, to even bomb and destroy entire cities using its military and air force, displaying incredible power that no kingdom has ever had before. Such signs, among other technological wonders in various industries, such as communications, transportation, and medicine, have caused the entire world to be in awe and deceived by its signs,

and by the signs that it is allowed to work in the presence of the beast it deceives those who dwell on earth...
(Revelation 13:14 [ESV])

Which has caused the world to want to mimic the Americans as a result of the deception. The second beast has not just promoted its form of government to the world, but also its way of life, which includes entertainment with movies & music, financial system of debt, its sexual lewdness, and decadence. The two horns of the second beast symbolize congress and the presidency as the two ruling powers of the United States,

...It had two horns like a lamb, but it spoke like a dragon. (Revelation 13:11 [NIV])

In which case, as a lamb, the United States is perceived to be godly, yet as a dragon it spreads wickedness around the world. During this time, the eighth and final head of the first beast is already forming as the European Union, in which case many countries have already given their authority to this union, yet its final form will be a republic that will be given authority by ten kingdoms that have not yet received authority,

"The ten horns you saw are ten kings who have not yet received a kingdom, but who for one hour will receive authority as kings along with the beast. They have one purpose and will give their power and authority to the beast. (Revelation 17:12-13 [NIV])

And their sole purpose when they receive authority will be to give their authority to the final formation of the European republic, in which case, this final republic will wage war against Jesus Christ when he returns,

They will wage war against the Lamb, but the Lamb will triumph over them because he is Lord of lords and King of kings--and with him will be his called, chosen and faithful followers." (Revelation 17:14 [NIV])

And as the formation of the eighth head comes to be, the fatal wound of the sixth was healed,

One of the heads of the beast seemed to have had a fatal wound, but the fatal wound had been healed.The whole world was filled with wonder and followed the beast. (Revelation 13:3 [NIV])

Which was the reinstatement of the papacy around 1929 by Benito Mussolini, which brought forth the whore of Babylon, which sits upon the first beast that has the seven heads and ten horns,

And he carried me away in the Spirit into a wilderness, and I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast that was full of blasphemous names, and it had seven heads and ten horns. (Revelation 17:3 [ESV])

And is involved with the kings and governments of the world, and has made the inhabitants of the entire world drunk with the wine of her false teachings,

with whom the kings of the earth have committed sexual immorality, and with the wine of whose sexual immorality the dwellers on earth have become drunk.
(Revelation 17:2 [ESV])

And is also a mother of whores,

The name written on her forehead was a mystery: babylon the great the mother of prostitutes and of the abominations of the earth. (Revelation 17:5 [NIV])

Because as a false church symbolized by a whore, she has given birth to more whores, which are all the false churches and false denominations that have come forth from the catholic church, borrowing many of her false teachings. In which case, the papacy is enthroned at the Vatican, which sits in the city that has seven hills, which is Rome,

"This calls for a mind with wisdom. The seven heads are seven hills on which the woman sits. They are also seven kings...
(Revelation 17:9 [NIV])

As such, the Vatican sits upon the first beast because she is a culmination of all the heads of the first beast, which is why the teachings and symbols of the catholic church all relate to teachings and symbols going back to the Babylonians and the Egyptians. The whore of Babylon is also said to be drunk with the blood of the saints,

I saw that the woman was drunk with the blood of God's holy people, the blood of those who bore testimony to Jesus. When I saw her, I was greatly astonished. (Revelation 17:6 [NIV])

Because the papacy persecuted the people of God as the first beast having authority for one thousand two hundred and sixty years before it became drunk with their blood when it became the whore of Babylon during the formation of the eighth and final head of the first beast. As such, the Vatican will be destroyed by the ten kingdoms that will give their authority to the final European republic,

And the ten horns that you saw, they and the beast will hate the prostitute. They will make her desolate and naked, and devour her flesh and burn her up with fire, (Revelation 17:16 [ESV])

And before they burn the Vatican with fire, they will first make her naked by exposing something shameful about her and will then will devour her flesh by ransacking her. This is one of the final signs before the second coming of Jesus Christ.
cga...great article...describes end time prophesy very accurately..thank you..and God bless you.
 

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cga, your post above promotes a preterist view of prophecy.
​Most scholars agree that a lot of prophecy has a partial near fulfilment and a later and complete fulfilment.
For example; Titus didn't actually sit in the Temple and declare himself to be god. And the ten people groups after the fall of the Roman Empire, will be superseded by ten world regions, as we see the One World Govt promoters have decided. Google 'ten world regions'.

The Papacy will be destroyed by the Anti-Christ leader of the OWG, because he will demand worship of himself.

We are very close now, to the time the end time events will commence, starting with the worldwide disaster of the Sixth Seal. That sudden, shocking one Day of fire from the sun, Isaiah 30:25-30, will set the scene for all that must happen before Jesus Returns.
Have you not considered several credible historical sources, such as Josephus, that have accounted for sacrificial abominations and exaltation of Titus at the temple when it was destroyed in 70 AD? These prophecies have certainly been fulfilled, for they were prophesied to occur shortly after the 70 weeks prophecy, which Jesus Christ also predicted. Yet there are many more prophecies that have yet to come into fulfillment, but you cannot come to understand what is still necessary to come into fulfillment unless you first understand these prophecies. And there will indeed be a one world government, but it will be a government brought by Jesus Christ upon the entire earth, but it will not be brought by the kingdoms of the first beast and the second beast, for these kingdoms do not rule over the entire earth, but rather, they influence the entire world to adopt its practices and form of government.
 

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I have read 'the Wars of the Jews' by Josephus and what happened in and after 70 AD to the Temple and to Titus, was very different to what is prophesied to happen.

The ruling of the earth by King Jesus will be preceded by an OWG led by a dictator. Initially, there will be 10 Governor's, but a charismatic and powerful man will take over them all. Exactly as we are told by the Bible prophets.

Your ideas, cga, are not supported by scripture.
 

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heretoeternity said:
keras, I don't see where your opinions are supported by scripture.
Daniel 7:23 and Revelation 17:12 prove there will be a worldwide government.

When Jesus Returns, He will rule the world. Psalm 2:8 and Revelation 11:15

I do not post my opinion, I have scriptural proofs and in some cases, like what Isaiah 30:26a states: scientific knowledge for all I say.
 

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God does not deal in fiction, however, He does speak in parables. This is done by Him to hide the truth from the eyes and ears of those people He does not want to see, and hear His message with understanding. This is pointed out in Matthew 13:11-14.

Within Revelation chapter thirteen there is a great deal of symbolism used. It reveals the coming into existence of a one world system, and at the completion of its growth, that world wide system is ruled by Satan the Antichrist, in a religious capacity. In fact, most of the Christian world will actually think that Satan is Jesus Christ. God uses this symbolism so that those who really don't care to study Scripture, will be deceived.
This chapter speaks of two beasts, but when we separate the two beasts, we see one is a political beast, while the second and last beast is a religious beast. The political beast is a political system, and today it is alive and ruling under the name of "One-worldism". It's title is called the "United Nations". It is under the banner of the United Nations, and it's governing agencies the the entire world is getting together; to work for their so-called "peace".

Through the control of the Kenite organization called the "United Nations", peace talks are carried on in China, North Korea, Ireland, the Middle East, Africa, Europe, Haiti, and on and on. There is peace, peace, talked about everywhere, and it is all brought about to draw all nations of the world into, and under the United Nations control, and that of it's agencies. The peace presented by them and their people is not acceptable in any agreement, unless it meets the United Nations agenda.

Revelation 13:1 "And I [John] stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy."

This is John's vision, and the sea that John is standing on and the beast is rising out of represents the masses of peoples of the world. This symbol of the "sea" being people is documented in Revelation 17:15. This "sea", or masses of people are looking to this "beast"[political beast] as their peace system. The "seven heads" are seven dominions of the people, or seven continents of this world body; as even the activities and divisions at the North and South Poles are governed through the United Nations Charter. It covers the entire world land masses.
"Horns" are always symbolic of "power". These "ten horns" are ten agencies, or units of power flowing from this beast, or political system. These horns are the Military force, the world health organization, UNICEF for children, the world bank, the world court, and so on. This is very similar to the system of government given in Genesis 11, under Nimrod.

The "Kenites" pulling strings within the United Nations are trying to bypass God, and create their own salvation. The "Ten crowns" are ten men, or heads of large governments, such as President Clinton, Don Majors of England, and men of Russia, China, Japan, and so on. Each of these men are giving their authority over to the United Nations willfully. This is what the war with Iraq was all about, the yielding of sovereignty to the United Nation, which Saddam refuses to do
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That war was a test of all nations to join in, and give their power over to the UN, for the cause of filling the United Nations agenda. The forces that joined against Iraq, are also causing the trading boundries to disappear world wide, and they make up this political beast. We have the one world political system now in position, and in control. The world is now in the process of being divided into its new horns of power, and the divisions will change present boundaries into new dominions of power.

This system, and governmental order is the same as Satan used in the first earth age, as we saw and read in Revelation 12:3 however there are some major differences Notice that in Revelation 12:3 from the first earth age that the seven heads [individuals] wore the seven crowns. where by in this earth age, under the political beast of the United Nations it is not individual rulers that have the crown but the horns of power, the agencies. They exercise their authority by what the agenda of their agencies are.

Revelation 13:2 "And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority."

Though the one world political system is in place and functioning as a governing body, after it is considered reliable, something will come about to bring down that government
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In the Song of Moses" in Deuteronomy 32:5, the "leopard's spots" are shown to be different than that of God's children's spots. The elect of God know their Messiah, where as those who are not sealed in their minds can not tell the difference between the two, Jesus and Satan. This system is controlled in all ways by the leaders, Kenites. Their control is through the four hidden dynasties or hidden governments, which are focused on Economics [banking, trade and industry], Education, Politics, and Religion.

This political beast has the "feet of a bear", and we know that has to be Russia [Esau]. The mouth of the beast is the "mouth of a lion", which will tare it's prey with his lies and deceitfulness. "And the Dragon gave him his power," and we know the Dragon from Revelation12:9 is Satan. The driving force within "one worldism" is Satan, with the Kenites, Satan's kids, doing the work. As our young men fight for the United Nation's Forces, we know now what the fight is all about.

We also know the Dragon is the force in every agency of the United Nation, and this is allowing us a better understanding why they do what they do. This is why we see them picking, and selecting what they hold dear, while allowing millions of other people to be slaughtered. The Kenites with their satanic agenda sets the course.

Remember also that this one world system is compared to the Babylonian kingdom of Nebuchadnezzar's day. And just as that kingdom was set up by God to discipline the house of Judah, so also this Kenite kingdom of the end times is to test and discipline the people of this time.

Revelation 13:3 "And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

One of the ten countries in the leadership of the beast "were wounded unto death". How does a office, or government of a country die? Of course in that the political system falls apart. That government then comes back to life. Why? The whole world comes to it's defense to prop it's government up. This can done because the whole world is under the same "one world system".

It was the beast that healed it's own wound. It doesn't take to much thinking to see what nation of immense strength fell, and then was propped up by the world wide system of this political beast. Billions of U.S. and British tax dollars went to Russia, as a gift from the world bank [the world system], and not the American people. Other nations also gave in the name of this Satanic system. All the while the beast received the credit for the donation, for the purposes of the agenda of the political beast.

Revelation 13:4 "And they worshipped the dragon which [because he] gave power [his authority] unto the the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

The Christian world will also worship Satan [the Antichrist] and his "one world system", because they will think that he is Christ. It is obvious when you watch the news, to see God fearing doctors and nurses, as well as many other humanitarians, and even children all giving of themselves to others around the world, all in the name of this political beast. It is the stamp of the U.N. that gets the praise, not the individual or a nation, before the public.

The leaders of the United Nations, and it's agencies that have "the teeth of the lions." This verse is alive today, and the whole world is looking to this beast [U.N.] for its food, protection, guidance, medical aid, and so on; and even to the newly set of international trade and commerce treaty laws.

The political beast has another head, and it is the head of an religious beast. When the authority behind this political beast arrives on earth, at that time the people of the world will call him "saviour". That authority [in verse two] is Satan, the dragon, and he is cast onto the earth by Michael.

The "head wound" is not to an individual then, but to a "political system". When one of the major players drops out of that system, it will be in serious trouble of ending. We see also that if the system is world wide, no one could make war with it, for their all part of it.

Revelation 13:5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power [authority] was given unto him to continue forty and two months."

When Satan has arrived to rule over this beast, or one world system, and out of his mouth will come all sorts of lies and blasphemies. He has power only because he was given that power and authority from God, as we saw in Revelation 9:1. Now note how long it is for: "forty two months". Remember, all times given in days are given to the children of God of the light, while all times given in months or moons pertain to Satan and his system of darkness. Revelation 9:5, 10 let us know that this time has been shortened to five months for the elects sake.
Daniel 8:22-24 tells us that Satan comes in peacefully, and prosperous, and those within his system will have the same prosperity. Who can fight that promise? How much is your soul worth? Satan is not here now, however, when he arrives as the Antichrist, he will offer you to what ever you think your soul is worth.

Revelation 13:6 "And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven."

Satan [the Antichrist] is mad and in rage against God, and all who are God's children, as well as the authorities in heaven, and this is because he just got kicked out of heaven. There is only one group of people that will not accept Satan, and that is God's elect. They know what is to come upon the earth, while all others will worship Satan, and be part of his system.

Revelation 13:7 "And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nation."

The only war that exists now will be a spiritual war, a war of words, ideas, concepts, and doctrine. This is why we must have our full armor of God on, as recorded in Ephesians 6:10-20. It spells out the type of warfare and the armor necessary. Satan has power over all other peoples of the earth, because he rules the over his one world system. The "elect of God" will be delivered up to Satan's revival for the purpose of conversion.

Revelation 13:8 "And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world."

The whole world will worship the Antichrist [Satan] as Christ, except those "whose names were chosen from before the foundations of this world." They are the "elect" of God. Also in the group to stand against Satan are the 144,000 of chapter seven. The twelve thousand individuals sealed from each tribe of Israel. These are the only ones God will allow to understand the prophecies of the end times.
The elect's names were written in the "book of life" for the stand they took in the first earth age, that time when Satan fell and took one third of angelic souls with him.

Revelation 13:9 "If any man have an ear, let him hear."

If you have the seal of God, or the knowledge and understanding of end time prophecy in your mind, you can stand against Satan [Antichrist].

Revelation 13:10 "He that leadeth into [if any man is for] captivity [he] shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints."

This is the start of the religious beast system, and is the part that will bring most Christians down. This doesn't do much for you, because it's a Hebrew idiom, translated into Greek, and then into English. It loses a lot along the way. It means that those that are destined to go into captivity, shall go captive. Satan will take them, and deceive them, and God will allow it. However, they can, and more then likely will be saved during the teaching of the Millennium age.

Those that are destined to be killed, will be killed. We know the two witnesses are two destined to be killed. God's election are also held captive by almighty God, and they will witness when called to do so. The witnessing will be done by God's holy Spirit flowing through them.

Revelation 13:11 "And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon."

This beast coming up out of the earth looks like a Lamb [Jesus Christ], yet he speaks like a dragon; because he is the dragon [Satan]. He claims to be Jesus, and most Christians will believe him. He has plenty of sweet talk, blessings, wealth and what ever valued price you put on your soul, to sell your soul. Have you thought of what price you would put for your soul?

Revelation 13:12 "And he exerciseth all the power [authority] of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed."

Satan [the Antichrist] uses all the power and authority he has, because it is given to him by God. God allowed the "one worldism" to take place, because it is in God's plan. He gave us that plan, and that is what we are studying now. It is Satan that will cause the wounded political beast, "one world system" to come back together after it falls apart. Then that system, and all the people on the face of the earth will worship Satan. All, except the elect of God, and those sealed in their minds.

Revelation 13:13 "And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men."

Satan will snap his fingers and lightning will come down from heaven. Satan will bring miracles, and supernatural wonders with him, and these wonders are given by God to perform the test the people of the world.

Revelation 13:14 "And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles [signs] which he had power [it was given him] to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live."

This is the whole object for the great tribulation. "DECEPTION"! Satan is going to make an image of this "one world system" [religious beast] and breath life into system. Their will be something symbolic created within the system that will cause the whole world to bow. This reminds me of the "image" created in Babylon's "one world government" under king Nebuchadnezzar, in Daniel 3. At that time there were only three that would not bow to the image.

Revelation 13:15 "And he had power [it was given unto him] to give life [breath] unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed."

Satan while sitting in his temple in Jerusalem is given the power to assign his authority to the new religious beast, the "one world system. He has been given the control of all the people on the earth, and he will require them to worship him as god. Satan [the Antichrist] will require their respect, and he will give protection to them and his system. So both the system, and the Antichrist will demand the respect and worship of all people.

This is in reference to the two witnesses that will be killed, for the trouble they caused to Satan, the people of the earth, and Satan's religious system.

The moment the political beast is healed, it becomes a religious order, and set of moral codes and controls. It will be a copy of Christ's kingdom that will follow, however, it is a complete deception, and cheap imitation.

Revelation 13:16 "And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:"

This is the "Mark of the beast" which is confusing to many today. This mark is in your hand, and in your forehead. Can a electronic chip be put in your hand, and forehead change your beliefs? I don't think so.
"In your hand" is an idiom that means to do Satan's work. You do the work of Satan [the Antichrist] when you bring others to him, or help in his system. This mark in the hand is speaking in a spiritual sense. "In the forehead" is referring to your mind [brain]. Being deceived by Satan in your mind is when you think he is the true Christ, and in ignorance you worship him. No computer chip will condemn you, for it is your faith that you will be judged by.

Revelation 13:17 "And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name."

If you take the "mark of the beast" it is a matter of whether you have studied God's word, or not. The mark is a matter of knowing that two Christ's are that coming, and the fake christ is coming first. If you do not know the difference, you will worship Satan thinking he is the true Christ, and you will be deceived. You will be in this world when the Antichrist controls it. We must all eat to stay alive, However, we will not get your bread through worshipping the Antichrist, or relying on his system. Satan's rule is five months, and God has warned us in in Malachi, that we had better have a store house for this time.
Learn what you must have to fill your needs, and stock up on it. Learn how to barter, and God will protect you. Satan will try to win you over, however, Do not participate in his system.

Revelation 13:18 "Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six."

Wisdom comes from knowledge, and all wisdom is from God, from wisdom comes understanding. We were told to "count the number of the beast". This was written in Greek, and the Greek word means more then counting numbers. You simple can't understand this meaning if you don't understand this Greek word. The word is #5585 in Strong's Greek dictionary, and it means to "calculate by counting the stones that are warn smooth over a long period of time."

What stones? We were told in chapter two, we would receive a new stone with a new name written on it. This word "count" originated from that word "stone" of chapter two of the book of Genesis. These are the only places in the Bible this word for count, or stone is used. So we must enumerate, or calculate these stones worn smooth over a long period of time. "Their rock is not our Rock, and his stones are not our Stones," is what the overcomers will sing, as the "Song of Moses tells us in Deuteronomy 32. God is our Rock, and Satan is the false rock, but which stones are we to count?

The stones are the number of man, that man is Satan, and if you know Satan you will know his children. Those stones are his children [offspring]. The "mark of the beast" number [6-6-6] then is to count, or know Satan's children over a long period of time. They are the "Kenites", the offspring of Cain, who was the child of Satan, through Eve, who was "beguiled in the Garden of Eden".

Jesus said in Revelation 2 and 3 that the Churches of Smyrna and Philadelphia were the only acceptable churches to Him, because they knew who the Kenites were. The Kenites were "those who said they were Jews, and lied; because they were of the synagogue of Satan". The seven churches are the seven types of churches existing in these last days. Five are not acceptable to God, while the two are.

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Daniel 7:23 and Revelation 17:12 prove there will be a worldwide government.

When Jesus Returns, He will rule the world. Psalm 2:8 and Revelation 11:15

I do not post my opinion, I have scriptural proofs and in some cases, like what Isaiah 30:26a states: scientific knowledge for all I say.
There will be a worldwide government, a beast power which is presently taking form. There will also be another beast power Revelation 17, scarlet and purple colours with a woman (church) riding it dressed in scarlet and purple..based in the city of seven hills (Rome)..which carries forward the pagan practices of Babylon of Daniel"s time....that entity has been around for 1800 years or so already, but people are blinded to these facts..anyway I am sure you can read it for yourself.
 

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There will be a worldwide government, a beast power which is presently taking form. There will also be another beast power Revelation 17, scarlet and purple colours with a woman (church) riding it dressed in scarlet and purple..based in the city of seven hills (Rome)..which carries forward the pagan practices of Babylon of Daniel"s time....that entity has been around for 1800 years or so already, but people are blinded to these facts..anyway I am sure you can read it for yourself.
The problem with Rome being the identity of your woman is Rome accepts the Messiah.
 

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There will be a worldwide government, a beast power which is presently taking form. There will also be another beast power Revelation 17, scarlet and purple colours with a woman (church) riding it dressed in scarlet and purple..based in the city of seven hills (Rome)..which carries forward the pagan practices of Babylon of Daniel"s time....that entity has been around for 1800 years or so already, but people are blinded to these facts..anyway I am sure you can read it for yourself.
The problem with Rome being the identity of your woman is Rome accepts the Messiah.
 

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The problem with Rome being the identity of your woman is Rome accepts the Messiah.
The problem with Rome being the identity of the woman is that the woman is clearly identified to be Israel, and nothing at all to do with Rome. Allow me to demonstrate what should be obvious to everyone.


Revelation 11:8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

(Revelation 12:1-2) "And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars: {2} And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered."

(Revelation 12:5-6) "And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.

I don't recall Jesus being crucified and rising again in Rome. Nor do I recall Rome or any other nation giving birth to the redeemer who is to "rule the nations with a rod of iron" but Israel. Now we see that the woman is clearly referring to Israel, we can continue on.


Revelation 14:8 And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.

(Revelation 12:6) "And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days."

(Revelation 17:1-3) "And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters: {2} With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication. {3} So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns."

Now, if you recall, Jesus himself stated that the Jews would flee into the wilderness during the great tribulation to escape a most certain Shlacking across the face by the anti-Christ.


(Matthew 24:15-21) "When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) {16} Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains: {17} Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house: {18} Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes. {19} And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! {20} But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: {21} For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be."

So this identifies who the woman is that flees into the wilderness in revelation. Israel is the woman in revelation, that "great city" from which the anti-Christ will rule for a time that also becomes the scarlet covered whore of Babylon. Now who is the anti-Christ? It may be a mystery to some of you but the beasts identity has already been revealed, that's why its called the book of revelation, and neither revelation or any other book in the bible ever states that he will be a roman, a Muslim, an american, or even human born. Allow me to demonstrate this simple revelation of who he is, what he is, and where he comes from.


(Revelation 9:1-3) "And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit. {2} And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit. {3} And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power."

(Revelation 9:11) "And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon."

Continuing on


(Revelation 11:3-7) "And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth. {4} These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth. {5} And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed. {6} These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will. {7}And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them."

(Revelation 17:7-8) "And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns. {8} The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is."

So in other words, Apollyon is not a human, he is an angel, a being from heaven who by Revelation 13 becomes "the beast that ascends out of the bottomless pit", that will rule every nation with an iron fist, not from Rome or any other nation, but from the temple in Israel, that "great city".
 

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keras said:
I do not post my opinion, I have scriptural proofs and in some cases, like what Isaiah 30:26a states: scientific knowledge for all I say.
LOL!

rabbi keras thinks that having the sun shine brightly - on the day God HEALS - is a catastrophic coronal mass ejection which will "fry" the earth.

Scriptural proof! Ha!
 

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The problem with Rome being the identity of the woman is that the woman is clearly identified to be Israel, and nothing at all to do with Rome. Allow me to demonstrate what should be obvious to everyone.





I don't recall Jesus being crucified and rising again in Rome. Nor do I recall Rome or any other nation giving birth to the redeemer who is to "rule the nations with a rod of iron" but Israel. Now we see that the woman is clearly referring to Israel, we can continue on.





Now, if you recall, Jesus himself stated that the Jews would flee into the wilderness during the great tribulation to escape a most certain Shlacking across the face by the anti-Christ.





So this identifies who the woman is that flees into the wilderness in revelation. Israel is the woman in revelation, that "great city" from which the anti-Christ will rule for a time that also becomes the scarlet covered whore of Babylon. Now who is the anti-Christ? It may be a mystery to some of you but the beasts identity has already been revealed, that's why its called the book of revelation, and neither revelation or any other book in the bible ever states that he will be a roman, a Muslim, an american, or even human born. Allow me to demonstrate this simple revelation of who he is, what he is, and where he comes from.





Continuing on





So in other words, Apollyon is not a human, he is an angel, a being from heaven who by Revelation 13 becomes "the beast that ascends out of the bottomless pit", that will rule every nation with an iron fist, not from Rome or any other nation, but from the temple in Israel, that "great city".
Ive got to be honest im not in faviour of Jerusalem being the mystery babylon either.

I believe there are two great cities in view, one being Jerusalem but the other great city Mystery Babylon I believe in my own opinion to be in Babylon [iraq] and specific to a place called Basra - where a project is currently awaiting approval for the worlds tallest tower to be built called the Bride of The Gulf.

www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2015/nov/20/the-worlds-tallest-building-planned-in-ex-warzone-basra-iraq
 

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Marcus O'Reillius said:
LOL!

rabbi keras thinks that having the sun shine brightly - on the day God HEALS - is a catastrophic coronal mass ejection which will "fry" the earth.

Scriptural proof! Ha!
My mention of the extremely important prophecy in Isaiah 30:26, seems to strike a nerve with Marcus. His scoffing puts him into the category of 2 Peter 3:3-6
It is plain from what Isaiah says; the sun will shine 7 times brighter, like 7 days in one...., for this to happen, the earth would be very badly affected. Dozens of other prophesies reinforce and detail the dramatic results of this explosion of the sun. Isaiah 66:15-16, Psalm 11:4-6, Zephaniah 1:14-18, Malachi 4:1, Luke 3:17, Hebrews 10:27, 2 Peter 3:7
But as Isaiah 30:26b says, it is also the Day the Lord heals and redeems His people. Again, many prophesies say how the Lord will save and protect those who stand firm in their faith and call upon Him. Acts 2:21 Nothing about any kind of rapture removal mentioned anywhere and that is why Marcus doesn't like it. Tough!
 

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inchrist said:
Ive got to be honest im not in faviour of Jerusalem being the mystery babylon either.

I believe there are two great cities in view, one being Jerusalem but the other great city Mystery Babylon I believe in my own opinion to be in Babylon [iraq] and specific to a place called Basra - where a project is currently awaiting approval for the worlds tallest tower to be built called the Bride of The Gulf.

www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2015/nov/20/the-worlds-tallest-building-planned-in-ex-warzone-basra-iraq
And so your belief that Jerusalem is not being referred to as mystery Babylon rests entirely on the construction of a building? Where is your scripture supporting the idea that Jerusalem is not the main focus of end times prophecy? Was Jesus born in Iraq, or Israel?
 

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And so your belief that Jerusalem is not being referred to as mystery Babylon rests entirely on the construction of a building? Where is your scripture supporting the idea that Jerusalem is not the main focus of end times prophecy? Was Jesus born in Iraq, or Israel?
No but it reaffirms it.

Bablyon is destined to be utterly destroyed

Revelation 18:21
And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast itinto the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all.” (Rev 18:21)

Jerusalem has no such destiny

Zechariah 12:6-8: [Yom Kippur]

(6) In that day will I make the governors of Judah like an hearth of fire among the wood, and like a torch of fire in a sheaf; and they shall devour all the people round about, on the right hand and on the left: and Jerusalem shall be inhabited again in her own place,even in Jerusalem. (7) The LORD also shall save the tents of Judah first, that the glory of the house of David and the glory of the inhabitants of Jerusalem do not magnify themselves against Judah. (8) In that day shall the LORD defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem;

Further Gld promised never to destroy Jerusalem again

Ezek. 5:9 reads, “And I will do in thee that which I have not done, and whereunto I will not do any more the like”. The context will show that this verse has to do with the destruction of Jerusalem by the Babylonians under Nebuchadnezzar. But please note, God said the He would “not do any more the like”. In other words, we read here God’s promise that He will never again destroy Jerusalem.

And further Mystery Babylon is the Mother of Harlots.

Jerusalem is never referred to as a mother of Harlots....however she has been called the daughter of a Harlot....but she is not the originator of false religions.
 

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keras said:
My mention of the extremely important prophecy in Isaiah 30:26, seems to strike a nerve with Marcus.
No, I just like to expose your ridiculous interpretation which turns a bit of prophecy, ostensibly about the Millennium after God's Wrath desolates the earth in the one 'seven', upside down and instead makes it a preposterous event coincidental with the Day of the Lord.

Isaiah 30:26 The light of the moon will be as the light of the sun, and the light of the sun will be seven times brighter, like the light of seven days, on the day the Lord binds up the fracture of His people and heals the bruise He has inflicted.

How someone can hold an opinion on that and not accept correction marks that person as someone who cannot be sharpened, and takes no correction.
That is not wise; it is utter foolishness.

On the Day of the Lord - WE are gathered up, those of us who remain and are still alive after the Great Tribulation.
On the Day of the Lord - ISRAEL will suffer God's Wrath. It will be a day of mourning and trumpet blasts.

We are the spiritual Israel who obeys God's commands by accepting the One He has sent to rescue us.
Israel is an obstinate people, who "struggle with God" - and they have NOT accepted Jesus as Christ.

2/3's of the "Jews" will die in the one 'seven'.
A Remnant will survive, protected by God, and indeed ushered about by Jesus just like God did with the Hebrews in the Wilderness.

WHEN that Remnant finally accepts that their Messiah King is the same Servant Messiah they had previously rejected -
they will mourn. But they will also be blessed, and the same Spirit poured out onto us, will be poured out onto them.

In the end, twice over: Jews are united in Christ with Gentiles.
Now, with not only the first Christians, who were all Jews, but also with Messianic Jews today, and, in my opinion, Jews before Christ who believed God would send a Deliverer.
This unification will happen when the Dead in Christ are resurrected, and the Rapture of living believers happens - on the Day of the Lord: the Elect.
Furthermore - AFTER the Millennium, the Sheep who live during that time, will join the Elect, and both, united in Christ, will live with Him eternally.
 

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inchrist said:
No but it reaffirms it.

Bablyon is destined to be utterly destroyed

Revelation 18:21
And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast itinto the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all.” (Rev 18:21)

Jerusalem has no such destiny

Zechariah 12:6-8: [Yom Kippur]

(6) In that day will I make the governors of Judah like an hearth of fire among the wood, and like a torch of fire in a sheaf; and they shall devour all the people round about, on the right hand and on the left: and Jerusalem shall be inhabited again in her own place,even in Jerusalem. (7) The LORD also shall save the tents of Judah first, that the glory of the house of David and the glory of the inhabitants of Jerusalem do not magnify themselves against Judah. (8) In that day shall the LORD defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem;

Further Gld promised never to destroy Jerusalem again

Ezek. 5:9 reads, “And I will do in thee that which I have not done, and whereunto I will not do any more the like”. The context will show that this verse has to do with the destruction of Jerusalem by the Babylonians under Nebuchadnezzar. But please note, God said the He would “not do any more the like”. In other words, we read here God’s promise that He will never again destroy Jerusalem.

And further Mystery Babylon is the Mother of Harlots.

Jerusalem is never referred to as a mother of Harlots....however she has been called the daughter of a Harlot....but she is not the originator of false religions.
"No, but it reaffirms it".

Then it doesn't reaffirm your position at all. The legitimacy of your argument ends there. Revelation says nothing about "the woman that rides the beast and sits upon many waters" as being any other woman but the same woman that gave birth to Jesus Christ and flees into the wilderness, and we all know it wasn't in the geographical location known today as Iraq.


(Revelation 11:8) "And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified."

Revelation 14:8 And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.


(Revelation 12:5-6) "And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne. {6} And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days."

(Revelation 17:17-18) "For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled. {18} And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth."

(Revelation 17:1-5) "And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters: {2} With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication. {3} So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. {4} And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication: {5} And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH."
For your argument to make any sense, you will have to illustrate that this is not the same "great city" spoken of in chapter 11 and the same woman spoken of in Revelation 12 who gave birth to Jesus Christ.
 

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A beast in prophecy symbolizes a kingdom, hence why this beast in the book of Daniel was said to symbolize a kingdom,
Beasts in prophecy:
Fourth terrible beast: union of three end-time kingdoms. (Rev 13:2 / Dan 7)
Beast of a nation in Revelation = fourth terrible beast.
Ten horns – ten “kings” who only become rulers when the fourth beast is formed.
Seven “heads” – over time (Rev 17:10)
The one that “is”, is the end-time “head” – the anti-Christ.
The fourth terrible beast is also a spiritual entity capable of being possessed: Rev 16:13)
Beasts of Daniel 7: 1. America. 2. Russia 3. EU
The Dragon of Rev 13:2 – Satan.
The Dragon of Rev 16:13 – the fourth terrible beast kingdom.
The beast of a man – the anti-Christ, the sixth “head” of the fourth terrible beast.
The little horn – the anti-Christ. (Not the Pope.)
The abomination(s) desolation – the talking image of the anti-Christ (Rev 13:14-15).
The Temple – destroyed by Titus and the Romans
The Temple – rebuilt in the one ‘seven’ (Rev 11:1-2)
The Holy Place – the inner portion of the Temple, outside the Curtain.
Saints delivered for time, times, and half a time – the first half of the one ‘seven’.
42 months – time that God has allowed the anti-Christ to rule in the first half of the one ‘seven’.
Seventy ‘sevens’ – still to be realized.
Daniel’s people – all who will inherit eternal life.
Seventh “head” – leader of the uprising at the end of the Millennium.
Ten horns / ten crowns – ten ministers who rule over the fourth terrible beast at its inception.
Image of the beast – talking image of the anti-Christ.
False Prophet – beast of a man from the land of Israel; holds authority over the Temple.
False Prophet’s two horns – power, demonically inspired.
Fatal wound – sixth head, false death; false resurrection: false Christ.
Scarlet beast – fourth terrible beast of a dragon kingdom.
Harlot – the Papacy, having adulterated Christendom to the world.
Babylon reference – mother/son worship.
Seven hills – Rome.
Seven kings – “heads” of Rome over time.
Antipathy between the beast and Harlot – the Harlot still represents God and the world hates Him, and so it hates us, and in the end, it will try to exterminate us when it cannot kill all the Jews.