The Immigration debate

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Bobby Jo

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I am an Aussie living in Australia, New Zealand are our neighbours across the ditch.

Still goes. -- Australia limits immigration to the whims of employers, but for some, apparently the U.S. MUST TAKE ALL IMMIGRANTS REGARDLESS OF Health, Education, Age, Criminal Record, etc. PLUS visitors are required to obtain a ETA/eVisitor APPROVAL prior to arrival, -- ALONG WITH A CREDIT CARD!!!

Conversely:

Visa Waiver Program Travelers coming to the United States for tourism or business (B-1 or B-2 category visa) purposes for 90 days or less from qualified countries* may be eligible to travel without a visa if they meet the Visa Waiver Program (VWP) requirements.
https : // travel.state.gov/content/dam/visas/PDF-other/VisaFlyer_B1B2_March_2015.pdf

So once again, before anyone from another country criticizes the U.S. for their Immigration Policies, they should first "tend to their own knitting."


And please don't punish Christians for calling a hypocrite a hypocrite.
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@Bobby Jo only last year Australian were being turned back at your border for not having obtained a visa for entry into your country.

Perhaps you should check up the facts before you open your mouth to spew spurious garbage.
 

Bobby Jo

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@Bobby Jo only last year Australian were being turned back at your border for not having obtained a visa for entry into your country.
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Any intelligent person would realize that the U.S. has certain ALLOWANCES for a Visa. And if someone doesn't meet the "VISA WAIVER PROGRAM TRAVELER" guidance, then they must obtain a Visa.

But in New Zealand and Australia there is NO EXCEPTION for a Visa. It's a requirement for ALL persons requesting entry.


Then again, whoever said you (Australian/New Zealander/wherever) were "intelligent". -- And it certainly doesn't stop your criticism of other people and other countries.
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Still goes. -- Australia limits immigration to the whims of employers, but for some, apparently the U.S. MUST TAKE ALL IMMIGRANTS REGARDLESS OF Health, Education, Age, Criminal Record, etc. PLUS visitors are required to obtain a ETA/eVisitor APPROVAL prior to arrival, -- ALONG WITH A CREDIT CARD!!!

Conversely:

Visa Waiver Program Travelers coming to the United States for tourism or business (B-1 or B-2 category visa) purposes for 90 days or less from qualified countries* may be eligible to travel without a visa if they meet the Visa Waiver Program (VWP) requirements.
https : // travel.state.gov/content/dam/visas/PDF-other/VisaFlyer_B1B2_March_2015.pdf

So once again, before anyone from another country criticizes the U.S. for their Immigration Policies, they should first "tend to their own knitting."


And please don't punish Christians for calling a hypocrite a hypocrite.
Bobby Jo

Hey we don't make up the immigration rules for Australia. ;)
 

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Anyway I thought this kind of discussion needed a thread of it's own, so I moved these posts away from the prophecy forum.

So what would Jesus do?

When it comes to immigration for finding a better life, better living conditions or even illegal immigration for the reasons of fleeing their countries, asylum seekers and refugees, I think Jesus would welcome them with open arms. ;)
 

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Hey we don't make up the immigration rules for Australia. ;)

What?!? Don't you vote? Don't you contact your elected representatives? Don't you express your opinions?

But one thing I DO KNOW, is that foreign citizens certainly express their opinions about the U.S., when their own governments are WORSE. And that makes them a HYPOCRITE.

... and please don't punish me for calling a hypocrite, a hypocrite.
Bobby Jo
 

Bobby Jo

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... I think Jesus would welcome them with open arms. ;)

I'm reminded of the saying: Kill them all and let GOD sort them out.

Of course the alternative is for an individual seeking to change their Job, their Home, or their Citizenship, -- is to follow the RULES. They can't simply walk into a business and declare themselves an "employee"; or invade a home and declare it "their home"; or cross a border and declare themselves a "citizen".

But why have common sense, when we can blame our bad behavior on Jesus. -- And when you demand that the U.S. do what your own country rejects, you're a hypocrite. (And please don't punish me for calling you what you are.)
Bobby Jo
 
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So what would Jesus do?
Since the Lord Jesus Christ UPHELD all the laws in the Old Covenant, He would also uphold all the laws which regulate immigration in a reasonable manner in any country. He would also CONDEMN illegal immigration, which is a gross violation of the laws of the land, as well as a crime.

People should really understand that the turmoil in immigration has been deliberately created by A HANDFUL of very influential people who have certain very evil goals (as a part of the New World Order).

1. They want to destroy all Western nations (which are also based upon Christian values). But Western politicians also want to destroy their countries.
2. They want to encourage Muslim Jihad against the West so that Islam dominates where there was Christianity. Again Western politicians have deliberately failed to properly address Jihad.
3. They want to destroy the concept of nations and nationalism, and change the world into one where there are no borders. Again Western politicians have chosen globalism over nationalism, to the detriment of their own countries.
4. They wish to infiltrate the Western nations with gangsters and criminals so that there is constant evil and crime being committed. And Western politicians themselves have become gangsters and criminals.
5. They want to flood the West with narcotics, and what better way to do that than eliminate all borders. Again Western politicians have chosen to make their borders porous, to the detriment of their citizens.
6. They want to promote human trafficking, pedophilia, child pornography, and sexual abuses, and what better way than to flood the West with perverts. Again Western politicians have all participated in these evil activities, and no one has been punished.

Furthermore, American politicians and presidents have ALL betrayed America and what it stands for by failing to have proper immigration laws in place and then ENFORCING them without fail. This has been going on for decades.

In this connection it should be noted that Mexico has ALWAYS been the enemy of the United States since the 18th century. There has been constant conflict and bloodshed at the southern border, and following that there has been a flood of illegal drugs and illegal immigrants (including gangster and vile criminals) coming through (many of them agents of foreign powers bent on destroying America). Yet not one politician in the states bordering Mexico, nor any president since 1900 has sought to build a proper border wall in order to protect the citizens of America. And what President Trump has done is a half-hearted attempt to build a fence instead of a real wall, while failing to deport all the illegals (as promised).

All this has changed the face of America drastically, and made it vulnerable to a Leftist takeover illegally. If the Democrats can garner 10-15 million illegal votes from illegal immigrants, they will always remain in power, in order to make America the "Peoples Republic of the Democrats".
 
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