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the law of faith?

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  1. DPMartin

    DPMartin Well-Known Member

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    Rom 3:26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus. 27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith. 28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law. 29 Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also: 30 Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith. 31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.


    just what does Paul mean by the law of faith?
     
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    what the Good Samaritan--who had no such law--fulfilled. imo.
    an important note there might be that no commandments were broken, in the Pharisee's and the Priest's "passing by on the other side of the road."
     
  3. DPMartin

    DPMartin Well-Known Member

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    not seeing it, the Pharisees may have talked law, but they didn't obey the law either. therefore where is the meaning of your posting? considering


    Lev_19:18 Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.


    is in the Torah which is the law.
     
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    bbyrd009 Groper

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    well, i'm sure they would argue that they were not being vengeful or bearing any grudges, i guess, and prolly there was some Torah about affiliating with the "dead" or whatever that they might have quoted
     
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    bbyrd009 Groper

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    the other side of the coin being that the GS did not have "faith" as we define it; yet we are nonetheless told to "go and do likewise."

    so my initial reply can be disqualified, and also a strong case is made for it, i guess

    "Welcome to Torah!" as they say lol
     
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    The law of faith can be defined as a spiritual code that relies upon God's
    promises rather than upon compliance with His rules and regulations. For
    example:

    Gen 15:4-6 . .Then the word of The Lord came to him: This man will not
    be your heir, but a son coming from your own body will be your heir. He
    took him outside and said: Look up at the heavens and count the stars-- if
    indeed you can count them. Then he said to him: So shall your offspring be.
    Abram believed The Lord, and He credited it to him as righteousness.

    Abram was accounted righteous due to his confidence in God's promise;
    subsequently Abram became the law-of-faith role model. (Rom 4:1-5)

    In accordance with the law of works; liars go to hell; while in accordance
    with the law of faith; liars do not go to hell because the law of faith trumps
    the law of works. The law of faith can thought of as a safety net for people
    who find it impossible to be 100% honest; for example:

    John 5:24 . . I assure you: those who listen to my message, and believe in
    God who sent me, have eternal life. They will never be condemned for their
    sins, but they have already passed from death into life.

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    Davy Active Member

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    Read about Abraham in Galatians 3 and Romans 4, both foundational Books on Christian doctrine.

    The promises God first gave to Abraham included the promise by faith on Jesus Christ. Abraham believed, and it was counted to him as righteousness. Paul says then that all those who believe are thus the children of Abraham. That was 430 years prior to God giving the law through Moses. So Faith came first, and was not depenedent upon works to have righteousness accounted.
     
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    DPMartin Well-Known Member

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    well from what I can tell, you're correct.

    also grace comes before faith hence Noah found grace in God's sight so actually the Grace through Faith message and or the relationship with the Almighty hasn't changed, its only being or has been fulfilled.

    think about it, Adam heard the Word of God "Commandment" that would have kept them in the Life God gave them. but they placed their faith otherwise. that wasn't counted as righteousness before God.

    one acts on what they believe and trust (faith) hence the "works" are according to faith of and in whether it be in Christ or something else. also that same commandment was and is a covenant an agreement that when God gives His Word as a agreement He keeps it. but being without the Life Adam had and died from and being left with the life of dust to dust as animals have, we are unable to keep said agreements because we don't have the ability because it requires the Life of Christ. therefore the need for Jesus the Christ the Word of God made flesh to fulfill the Son of man's side of the agreements for us to God's satisfaction. that through Him instead of Adam we receive Life the Life God wanted us to have in the first place.


    ok, so I went off on a tangent, thanks for your response
     
  9. gadar perets

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    The "law of faith" is not a codified law, but a principle. If you have faith in Yeshua (Jesus), then you are declared righteous (justified) by the Almighty. However, that faith must be made evident by works. Faith without works is dead (James 2:14-20). True faith takes action and does not sit idly by. Among the actions that a true person of faith must take is obedience to the laws of YHWH. That is why Paul ended the passage quoted in the OP with, "Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law." (Romans 3:31). The word "establish" in Greek means "to make stand". Faith does NOT make the law void or abolish it in any way. It actually makes the law to stand firmly as part of our walk.
     
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    aspen “"The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few

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    The law is a concrete form of virtues like love, kindness, faith, etc.

    We no longer need a transitional object like the law - we have it written in our hearts
     
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    Some people have it written in their hearts. Others refuse to allow it to be written there. They don't want anything to do with it.
     
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    aspen “"The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few

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    Exceptions do not negate the rule
     
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    The rule is, if you love YHWH, you will keep His commandments (1 John 5:3).
     
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    That should probably be more appropriately read in English.... "Since you love YHWH, you will be doing His desires."
     
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    Nomad Post Tenebras Lux

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    Excellent explanation.
     
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    aspen “"The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few

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    Yes, by loving your neighbor.
     
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    aspen “"The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few

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    Obeying the law is loving perfectly
     
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    And by loving Him. Loving your neighbor is the second greatest commandment. Loving YHWH is the first. We show our love for Him by not worshiping other gods, or by not making graven images, or by not taking His name in vain, or by not polluting His Holy Sabbath Day, or by ...

    We show our love for our neighbor by not stealing from him, or by not committing adultery with his wife, or by bearing false witness against him, or by coveting his stuff, or by ...
     
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    We love our God by treating Him like a father which is what He is, not turning Him into a terrible god like all the other gods. "if you dont obey me ill beat you up". thats religions version of God.

    Rom 1:21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
    Rom 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
    Rom 1:23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
     
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    aspen “"The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few

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    Serving others is loving God
     
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