The lies about gen 6
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They were the faithful sons from the line of Seth who conformed and intermarried with the unfaithful daughters of Cain. This led to the state of the world in the days of Noah when he was the only faithful person in the world
Those who like him when he appears and are able then to see him as he is!
"Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is." I John 3:2
Matthew 22:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God. 30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.
Mark 12:24 And Jesus answering said unto them, Do ye not therefore err, because ye know not the scriptures, neither the power of God? 25 For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven.
That's a no. So I agree with Marty Fox.
No they can't Paul explains that below
1 Corinthians 15:40
There are also heavenly bodies and there are earthly bodies; but the splendor of the heavenly bodies is one kind, and the splendor of the earthly bodies is another.
No they can't Paul explains that below
1 Corinthians 15:40
There are also heavenly bodies and there are earthly bodies; but the splendor of the heavenly bodies is one kind, and the splendor of the earthly bodies is another.
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The sons of God are those born of His spirit. Which means eternal.
But I suspect that you mean rather to make a point about something regarding their sons of the flesh.
Should be interesting!
They are angels that serve as principalities over nations and cities. They are a lower order of angels than the ones who serve God directly. They were meant to watch over men. The angelic rebellion included these principalities who refused to serve humankind but rather became convinced that they should have a permanent rulership over them. The one who convinced them is none other than the devil...himself a higher-order angel who was looking for his own glory and honour.
No. The OP is correct.
Can you provide any Biblical proof for what you say?
The way i see it is God created the ability for kinds to have offspring.
Man is not an angel--the DNA would be different, if they even have DNA
Angels do not reproduce--if they did God would surely let us know, instead of guessing. I don't think God gave them seminal fluids (sorry folks) that would be the same as human stuff, if he gave them any at all.
Why was it stopped at the Flood? Why isn't it going on anywhere on the Earth with the exception of Hollywood movies?
Jude verses 6-8
6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own
habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like
manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after
strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
8 Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise
dominion, and speak evil of dignities.
Sons of God refer to both the angels in heaven and man created on earth. The sons of God in question are the angels that decided to rebel.
Angels cannot reproduce. and even if they could, we don't know if they have DNA, and we are a different kind. God said things would reproduce after their own kind. He would not have permitted it. and again, my question is if that is true, why doesn't it happen now?
sounds like Jude is speaking about 3 different subjects there:
1st. angels
2nd Sodom and Gomorrah
3. filthy dreamers --he speaks of these in present tense
sounds like Jude is speaking about 3 different subjects there:
1st. angels
2nd Sodom and Gomorrah
3. filthy dreamers --he speaks of these in present tense
We have to go with the context of Genesis chapters 4-6 to get the answer of who the sons of God are what happened to all of the faithful people why did it all come down to just Noah?
Because the faithful people conformed to the unfaithful people in the world.
Genesis 6:1-8
when human beings began to increase in number on the earth and daughters were born to them, 2 the sons of God saw that the daughters of humans were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose. 3 Then the Lord said, “My Spirit will not contend with humans forever, for they are mortal; their days will be a hundred and twenty years.”
4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when the sons of God went to the daughters of humans and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown.
5 The Lord saw how great the wickedness of the human race had become on the earth, and that every inclination of the thoughts of the human heart was only evil all the time. 6 The Lord regretted that he had made human beings on the earth, and his heart was deeply troubled. 7 So the Lord said, “I will wipe from the face of the earth the human race I have created—and with them the animals, the birds and the creatures that move along the ground—for I regret that I have made them.” 8 But Noah found favor in the eyes of the Lord.
Notice in verse 3 & 5 it says that they are humans and “The Lord saw how great the human race had become”?
The sons of God were humans
Because the faithful people conformed to the unfaithful people in the world.
Genesis 6:1-8
when human beings began to increase in number on the earth and daughters were born to them, 2 the sons of God saw that the daughters of humans were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose. 3 Then the Lord said, “My Spirit will not contend with humans forever, for they are mortal; their days will be a hundred and twenty years.”
4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when the sons of God went to the daughters of humans and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown.
5 The Lord saw how great the wickedness of the human race had become on the earth, and that every inclination of the thoughts of the human heart was only evil all the time. 6 The Lord regretted that he had made human beings on the earth, and his heart was deeply troubled. 7 So the Lord said, “I will wipe from the face of the earth the human race I have created—and with them the animals, the birds and the creatures that move along the ground—for I regret that I have made them.” 8 But Noah found favor in the eyes of the Lord.
Notice in verse 3 & 5 it says that they are humans and “The Lord saw how great the human race had become”?
The sons of God were humans
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This is apart of a study I did on this before
Many people believe that the sons of God were fallen angels who fornicated and had children with female human beings thus making the world so evil that God decided to destroy civilization. Could this be? Could spiritual beings actually fornicate with human beings and have offspring even though Paul shows us in 1 Corinthians 15 that the heavenly bodies have a different splendor than human bodies? Would God really allow this to happen?
I believe that the sons of God were the faithful sons from the line of Seth and that the daughters of men were the unfaithful daughters from the unfaithful line of Cain.
In these three chapters of Genesis chapter 4-6 we see that the descendants of Seth were faithful to God while the descendants of Cain were unfaithful. What we read about the descendants of Cain is the great accomplishments they made which is not bad in its self but it is if it’s their highest priority. When we read about Seth's descendants we see that they were great men of God who had many children and lived long lives but this was not attributed to Cain’s descendants.
God warns the faithful people many times to not mix with the unfaithful in the Old Testament and the reason for this is to keep the faithful from being corrupted. We read that one of the reasons that the sons of God were attracted to the daughters of men was because of their beauty not because of love so the reason that they fornicated with them was for lust not love.
But there must be more to the reason that the sons of God were attracted to the daughters of men because there would also have been many beautiful women from the line of Seth.
Lamech gives us the reason for this in Genesis chapter 5
Genesis 5:28-29
28 When Lamech had lived 182 years, he had a son. 29 He named him Noah[c] and said, “He will comfort us in the labor and painful toil of our hands caused by the ground the LORD has cursed.”
The faithful people of God began to lose faith and complain about the pain and burden of working a cursed soil. Lamech named his son Noah which means rest as he thought that Noah would bring his people comfort and rest.
What the daughters of men offered the sons of God was Autonomy
Autonomy
1. The right or condition of self-government.
A self-governing country or region.
• Freedom from external control or influence; independence.
Self-government · independence · self-rule · home rule · sovereignty ·
The daughters of men offered the sons of God the autonomy they desired. The sons of God saw the great accomplishments and advances of the sons of men. The sons of men lived a self-governed and independent life aside from God. This enticed the sons of God so they intermarried with the daughters of men and put aside the ways of the Lord and lived their own self determined lives.
We see the first example of autonomy in the Garden of Eden with Eve. Eve decided that she wanted more than the life God had determined for her she also wanted to be just like God. Satan knew this and tempted Eve and told her that she could have this if she ate the forbidden fruit.
Many people believe that the sons of God were fallen angels who fornicated and had children with female human beings thus making the world so evil that God decided to destroy civilization. Could this be? Could spiritual beings actually fornicate with human beings and have offspring even though Paul shows us in 1 Corinthians 15 that the heavenly bodies have a different splendor than human bodies? Would God really allow this to happen?
I believe that the sons of God were the faithful sons from the line of Seth and that the daughters of men were the unfaithful daughters from the unfaithful line of Cain.
In these three chapters of Genesis chapter 4-6 we see that the descendants of Seth were faithful to God while the descendants of Cain were unfaithful. What we read about the descendants of Cain is the great accomplishments they made which is not bad in its self but it is if it’s their highest priority. When we read about Seth's descendants we see that they were great men of God who had many children and lived long lives but this was not attributed to Cain’s descendants.
God warns the faithful people many times to not mix with the unfaithful in the Old Testament and the reason for this is to keep the faithful from being corrupted. We read that one of the reasons that the sons of God were attracted to the daughters of men was because of their beauty not because of love so the reason that they fornicated with them was for lust not love.
But there must be more to the reason that the sons of God were attracted to the daughters of men because there would also have been many beautiful women from the line of Seth.
Lamech gives us the reason for this in Genesis chapter 5
Genesis 5:28-29
28 When Lamech had lived 182 years, he had a son. 29 He named him Noah[c] and said, “He will comfort us in the labor and painful toil of our hands caused by the ground the LORD has cursed.”
The faithful people of God began to lose faith and complain about the pain and burden of working a cursed soil. Lamech named his son Noah which means rest as he thought that Noah would bring his people comfort and rest.
What the daughters of men offered the sons of God was Autonomy
Autonomy
1. The right or condition of self-government.
A self-governing country or region.
• Freedom from external control or influence; independence.
Self-government · independence · self-rule · home rule · sovereignty ·
The daughters of men offered the sons of God the autonomy they desired. The sons of God saw the great accomplishments and advances of the sons of men. The sons of men lived a self-governed and independent life aside from God. This enticed the sons of God so they intermarried with the daughters of men and put aside the ways of the Lord and lived their own self determined lives.
We see the first example of autonomy in the Garden of Eden with Eve. Eve decided that she wanted more than the life God had determined for her she also wanted to be just like God. Satan knew this and tempted Eve and told her that she could have this if she ate the forbidden fruit.
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~ sons of God are:
Creations of God: that are LEAD BY THE SPIRIT OF GOD.
Rom 8:
[14] For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
Angels were created Male.
Angels in Heaven do not marry.
Angels in Heaven do not have sex.
Angels in Heaven do not reproduce off spring.
Nothing prohibited Angels on Earth from marrying.
Nothing prohibited Angels on Earth from having sex.
Nothing prohibited Angels on Earth from reproducing offspring with human women.
Angels were created Holy and lead by the Spirit of God.
Angels have freewill, to continue in their holiness, remain a son of God, maintain their estate in Heaven.......
* Or to freely NOT be lead by the Spirit of God, and LOSE their status, of “son of God”, lose their heavenly “estate” and lose their “holiness”.
JohnPaul
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In the times of Noah and before were there not Nephilim who were wiped out during the Great Flood?
Married no but in those times Angels did come down and have sex with Mortal women, hence the Nephilim, the Giants that ruled over the Earth.
[QUOTE="Marty fox, post: 1217506, member: 11022"
The sons of God were humans[/QUOTE]
~ son of God is a status of a kind of thing.
What “KIND” of things in all of Gods Creation, can HAVE the “status”...
Of ........”son of God”?
Animal KINDS of things? No.
Creepy crawling KINDS of things? No.
Plant KINDS of things? No.
Angel KINDS of things? Yes
Man KINDS of things? Yes
Angel KINDS of things......ARE created SPIRITS, that can appear in VISUAL FORMS, that a mans EYE can SEE. (Appear in the look of a mans form, an animals form, a plants form......all exampled IN Scripture).
Man KIND of things.......are NOT a spirit......but DO HAVE a spirit.
A man KIND of thing’s spirit, IS “a mans natural truth in his heart”.
* A man CAN CHANGE the look of his body that mans eyes CAN SEE.
(Makeup, wigs, fillers, padding, costumes, surgeries....all exampled IN plain view for men to SEE what another man had done to change his body’s appearance.)
* A man CAN HAVE his “spirit” changed, by the Offering of Gods Power, and mans willing agreement, For the Lord God TO change his “spirit”, his natural truth, to Gods TRUTH, via Gods Seed.
An Angel KIND of thing that IS CREATED HOLY, and freely chooses to NOT BE LEAD BY the SPIRIT OF GOD........Loses his Holiness, forever.
A Man KIND of thing that IS CREATED GOOD, and freely chooses TO BECOME LEAD BY the SPIRIT OF GOD.....BECOMES MADE Holy, BY the POWER OF GOD.....and Forever REMAINS holy, BY the Power of God.
He gains the status of “son of God”.
He gains the right to “occupy the estate of Gods renewed Earth”.
He gains the right of “direct communication to God”.
He gains the right to “SEE God as He is”.
He gains the right to “secret knowledge and understanding” of God.
He gains the right to “live forever, WITH God”.
He gains the right to “SEE Gods Heaven”.
......He gains, the same things that Created holy Angels have and maintained.
.....disagree, that the status of “son of God” only applies to humans.
The status of “son of God” applies exclusively: to Angels and men that:
ARE LEAD BY THE SPIRIT OF GOD.
The sons of God were humans[/QUOTE]
~ son of God is a status of a kind of thing.
What “KIND” of things in all of Gods Creation, can HAVE the “status”...
Of ........”son of God”?
Animal KINDS of things? No.
Creepy crawling KINDS of things? No.
Plant KINDS of things? No.
Angel KINDS of things? Yes
Man KINDS of things? Yes
Angel KINDS of things......ARE created SPIRITS, that can appear in VISUAL FORMS, that a mans EYE can SEE. (Appear in the look of a mans form, an animals form, a plants form......all exampled IN Scripture).
Man KIND of things.......are NOT a spirit......but DO HAVE a spirit.
A man KIND of thing’s spirit, IS “a mans natural truth in his heart”.
* A man CAN CHANGE the look of his body that mans eyes CAN SEE.
(Makeup, wigs, fillers, padding, costumes, surgeries....all exampled IN plain view for men to SEE what another man had done to change his body’s appearance.)
* A man CAN HAVE his “spirit” changed, by the Offering of Gods Power, and mans willing agreement, For the Lord God TO change his “spirit”, his natural truth, to Gods TRUTH, via Gods Seed.
An Angel KIND of thing that IS CREATED HOLY, and freely chooses to NOT BE LEAD BY the SPIRIT OF GOD........Loses his Holiness, forever.
A Man KIND of thing that IS CREATED GOOD, and freely chooses TO BECOME LEAD BY the SPIRIT OF GOD.....BECOMES MADE Holy, BY the POWER OF GOD.....and Forever REMAINS holy, BY the Power of God.
He gains the status of “son of God”.
He gains the right to “occupy the estate of Gods renewed Earth”.
He gains the right of “direct communication to God”.
He gains the right to “SEE God as He is”.
He gains the right to “secret knowledge and understanding” of God.
He gains the right to “live forever, WITH God”.
He gains the right to “SEE Gods Heaven”.
......He gains, the same things that Created holy Angels have and maintained.
.....disagree, that the status of “son of God” only applies to humans.
The status of “son of God” applies exclusively: to Angels and men that:
ARE LEAD BY THE SPIRIT OF GOD.
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