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about John 1:1.

Trinitarians: In the beginning was God the Son, and God the Son was with God the Father, and God the Son was God.

Jehovah's Witnesses: In the beginning was the Archangel, and the Archangel was with God and the Archangel was a god.

But what the Bible wants to say: In the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was divine.
 
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about John 1:1.

Trinitarians: In the beginning was God the Son, and God the Son was with God the Father, and God the Son was God.

Jehovah's Witnesses: In the beginning was the Archangel, and the Archangel was with God and the Archangel was a god.

But what the Bible wants to say: In the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was divine.
Divine was an older term that meant Deity!
 

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about John 1:1.

But what the Bible wants to say: In the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was divine.
What bible version is this ?

Please identify what version you are quoting above that uses " the word was divine"
 
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What bible version is this ?

Please identify what version you are quoting above that uses " the word was divine"
It is the original version of the Bible, literally from the original text.
The word is the spoken word of God. Everything that comes out of the mouth of God is the word of God. God's word is therefore not another person, but the divine expression of God.
 

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It is the original version of the Bible, literally from the original text.
The word is the spoken word of God. Everything that comes out of the mouth of God is the word of God. God's word is therefore not another person, but the divine expression of God.
No its not as Theos is translated God throughout Johns prologue.

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No its not as Theos is translated God throughout Johns prologue.

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God means "power", so power and divine have the same meaning, but the word is not a person but the expression of the mind of God.
Look at Genesis, what did God do before he created? He spoke, for every time it is written: "God said: (the word)". By speaking God created, by His word, by the breath of His mouth.
 
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See Colossians 2:9. Within Chrisf dwells all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

And, Colossians 1:16-17. All things were created by our Lord; and in Him all things consist.
 

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See Colossians 2:9. Within Chrisf dwells all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

And, Colossians 1:16-17. All things were created by our Lord; and in Him all things consist.
Everything was created through him because he is the word of God in the flesh.
 
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Jesus shall have His name be called "The everlasting Father" (Isaiah 9:6).

There is one Father (Malachi 2:10).
I do not think that the son is the father but I think that in the son the father is.
He said that the words he speaks are not his own, they are two different persons who are one in mind.
 

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God means "power", so power and divine have the same meaning, but the word is not a person but the expression of the mind of God.
Look at Genesis, what did God do before he created? He spoke, for every time it is written: "God said: (the word)". By speaking God created, by His word, by the breath of His mouth.
God does not mean " power" that is the word dunamis in the greek where we get the word dynamite from in the English.

any more errors you would like to share with us today ?
 

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God does not mean " power" that is the word dunamis in the greek where we get the word dynamite from in the English.

any more errors you would like to share with us today ?
The word God comes originally from the Hebrew word El, which means "strong, power". Thus my statement is not wrong
 

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The word God comes originally from the Hebrew word El, which means "strong, power". Thus my statement is not wrong
It sure is wrong since you are quoting John 1:1 which was written in GREEK not Hebrew.

The Greek word in the New Testament for power is dumamis, not Theos. Greek is a much more precise language than English.

I'm sure you have never studied this before by your answers and preconceived ideas on the topic.

hope this helps !!!
 

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It sure is wrong since you are quoting John 1:1 which was written in GREEK not Hebrew.

The Greek word in the New Testament for power is dumamis, not Theos. Greek is a much more precise language than English.

I'm sure you have never studied this before by your answers and preconceived ideas on the topic.

hope this helps !!!
Greek and just like any other language in the world has its origins in the Hebrew language.
And by the way, when the New Testament quotes from the Old Testament, the word El is always translated as Theos thus Theos means just like El "power, strength".
 

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Greek and just like any other language in the world has its origins in the Hebrew language.
And by the way, when the New Testament quotes from the Old Testament, the word El is always translated as Theos thus Theos means just like El "power, strength".
Greek has nothing to do with Hebrew just as chinese has nothing to do with English.