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The Lord Jesus Christ never drank alcohol - THE CONSUMPTION OF ALCOHOL IN ANY FORM IS A SIN!

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  1. Mitch Etling

    Mitch Etling New Member

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    The Lord Jesus Christ never drank alcohol - THE CONSUMPTION OF ALCOHOL IN ANY FORM IS A SIN!

    Satan and his angels have ran wild with incorrect definitions of "wine", deceiving a majority of the world into thinking that our HOLY GOD consumed intoxicating beverages, but this is obviously a doctrine of devils - The Lord Jesus Christ never drank alcohol...

    In the Bible, BOTH fermented alcoholic wine, AND non-alcoholic grape juice were called "wine" - The Lord Jesus Christ drank and created non-alcoholic grape juice.

    "New wine" means freshly squeezed grape juice that hasn't been fermented, and thus contains no alcohol.

    The Lord Jesus Christ is not a hypocrite - He would never forbid alcohol, and then drink it himself -- God specifically says NOT TO DRINK ALCOHOLIC WINE, and describes it in detail here:

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    Look not thou upon the wine when it is red, when it giveth his colour in the cup, when it moveth itself aright.

    At the last it biteth like a serpent, and stingeth like an adder.

    Thine eyes shall behold strange women, and thine heart shall utter perverse things.

    Yea, thou shalt be as he that lieth down in the midst of the sea, or as he that lieth upon the top of a mast.

    They have stricken me, shalt thou say, and I was not sick; they have beaten me, and I felt it not: when shall I awake? I will seek it yet again.

    Proverbs 23:31-35

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    Now that you know that you've been lied to by Satan and his angels, I will now show you some scripture talking about "new wine" - unfermented non-alcoholic grape juice straight from the grape cluster.

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    Thus saith the LORD, As the new wine is found in the cluster, and one saith, Destroy it not; for a blessing is in it: so will I do for my servants' sakes, that I may not destroy them all.

    Isaiah 65:8

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    You have now been informed of the two types of "wine" in the Bible, the forbidden alcoholic fermented grape juice, and the non-alcoholic freshly squeezed grape juice that The Lord Jesus Christ and his disciples drank called "new wine".

    Next, I will show you a piece of scripture showing how "new wine" is indeed freshly squeezed non-alcoholic GRAPE JUICE, and not the forbidden fermented alcoholic "WINE" of today.

    This is what The Lord Jesus Christ and his disciples drank - NON-ALCOHOLIC JUICE DIRECTLY FROM THE GRAPE.

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    And in the vine were three branches: and it was as though it budded, and her blossoms shot forth; and the clusters thereof brought forth ripe grapes: And Pharaoh's cup was in my hand: and I took the grapes, and pressed them into Pharaoh's cup, and I gave the cup into Pharaoh's hand.

    Genesis 40:10-11

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    At this point, anyone with the Holy Spirit of God living inside them should be 100% satisfied that the Lord Jesus Christ never drank alcohol, but I'll take it even further - why not?

    The Bible says to "be sober" many, MANY times - sober means "not under the infuence of intoxicating substances", such as ALCOHOL and PSYCHOTROPIC DRUGS.

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    Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:

    1 Peter 5:8

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    Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober. For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night. But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation.

    1 Thessalonians 5:6-8

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    It should be noted, that The Lord Jesus Christ was even tempted with an alcoholic beverage at one point, and He refused it - your God is not a hypocrite!

    When did this happen?

    The Lord Jesus Christ was given an opportunity on the cross to sin, when a sponge of ALCOHOLIC "VINEGAR" (a fermented alcoholic drink popular with the Romans) was given to Him - what did The Lord Jesus Christ do? HE WOULD NOT DRINK IT, BECAUSE HE IS HOLY AND SINLESS, AND DRINKING ANY ALCOHOL WHATSOEVER IS A SIN!!!

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    And when they were come unto a place called Golgotha, that is to say, a place of a skull, They gave him vinegar to drink mingled with gall: and when he had tasted thereof, he would not drink.

    Matthew 27:33-34

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    I've wanted to write this for a while now - there is a lot of historical information out there that I could have used, and a few other people have said similar things, but I wanted to prove it by using only the Bible - well, here it is - the Holy Spirit of God has helped me to prove my point beyond a shadow of a doubt - no one can ever slander and blasphemy The Lord Jesus Christ in this manner again -- the consumption of alcohol in any amount is a sin -- The Lord Jesus Christ is HOLY, and He NEVER consumed alcohol, AND NEITHER SHOULD YOU...

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    And one cried unto another, and said, Holy, holy, holy, is the LORD of hosts: the whole earth is full of his glory.

    Isaiah 6:3

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    Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.

    1 Peter 1:16

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    Don't listen to anyone that says anything different than what I have said - most people calling themselves "Christians" are FAKE CHRISTIANS -- they do not have the Holy Spirit of God living inside them -- the Bible warns us about these types of people; please try to remember - only born again Christians are protected from demon possession - if you're talking to someone that's not born again, then it's extremely likely that you're talking to the demons inside them; HARDLY ANYONE IS ACTUALLY BORN AGAIN...

    "...having not the Spirit."

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    How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts. These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit.

    Jude 1:18-19

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    I'd like to end this by saying: Even *IF* you're born again - if you consume ANY alcohol, YOU WILL GO TO HELL.

    If you still think that the Lord Jesus Christ drank alcohol, and that it's ok for YOU to drink, then it's extremely likely that you're NOT born again in the first place - no born again Christian thinks that the Lord Jesus Christ ever drank alcohol.

    If you're not born again, then you're going to go to Hell when you die.

    If you ARE Born Again, and you drink alcohol, or you take psychotropic drugs, unless you stop for good, you're going to go to Hell when you die.

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    Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

    1 Corinthians 3:16-17

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    For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace? For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people. It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

    Hebrews 10:26-31

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    And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?

    Luke 6:46

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    And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;

    Hebrews 5:9

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    Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

    Matthew 7:21

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    Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear.

    1 Timothy 5:20

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    Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.

    Ezekiel 18:4

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    Stop sinning, or go to the Lake of Fire...

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    Wrong! Very wrong!
     
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    The getting of treasures by a lying tongue is a vanity tossed to and fro of them that seek death.

    Proverbs 21:6
     
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    Does not pertain to wine.
    And I am not a Jew.
     
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    Why would the Pharisees accuse Jesus of being a wine bibber if He never drank wine?
     
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    Most assuredly, if we look on the wine when it is red, it will get us into trouble (Proverbs 23:31-35).

    However, Paul said to Timothy to take a little wine for his frequent stomach ailments (1 Timothy 5:23); and I believe that this justifies using substances that would otherwise be addictive for medicinal purposes.
     
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    If you're not 100% completely abstinent from all psychotropic substances including alcohol, then you'll go to Hell.

    Do what you want -- you'll see...
     
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    Another person who wants to be a preacher .......


    Why would Jesus turn water into wine if he didn’t want anyone to drink wine........wouldn’t that be leading people into sin. It is classed as His first miracle. Why would he serve wine and bread at the last supper as a symbol of his sacrifice.
     
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    Hello Mitch,

    Does God command sin?

    You may then exchange the money for whatever you desire, oxen or sheep, wine or strong drink, or anything else you would enjoy, and there before the LORD, your God, you shall partake of it and make merry with your family

    Unhealthy attachment to 'strong drink' can be a problem, but will you condemn all who do so?

    Peace be with you!

    Christ is risen!
    Alleluia!
     
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    Proverbs 31:6
    "Give strong drink to him who is perishing, And wine to those who are bitter of heart."


    Sounds like you could use a drink OP.

    :rolleyes:
     
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    Relocated to unorthodox doctrine.
     
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    Nope nope nope
    You are wrong on several levels
    You need to step back, and do some study.
    You are preaching ignorance.

    I did a 114 page essay on this in college. Lots of information on this, you need to go learn the facts.
     
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    The bible commands me to turn away from you now - I sincerely hope that you learn the truth and repent.

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    He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.

    John 8:47

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    Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?

    Galatians 4:16

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    To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

    1 Corinthians 5:5

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    Of whom is Hymenaeus and Alexander; whom I have delivered unto Satan, that they may learn not to blaspheme.

    1 Timothy 1:20

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    A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject; Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself.

    Titus 3:10-11

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    But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

    1 Corinthians 5:11

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    Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.

    Romans 16:17

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    This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts, Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith. But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as theirs also was.

    2 Timothy 3:1-9

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    Cease, my son, to hear the instruction that causeth to err from the words of knowledge.

    Proverbs 19:27

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    O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:

    1 Timothy 6:20

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    But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.

    2 Timothy 2:16

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    Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?

    2 Corinthians 6:14

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    Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,

    2 Corinthians 6:17

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    Your response was predictable.
     
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    Galatians 5:21-23
    Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
     
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    It’s best to refrain from any and all alcohol, whether sinful or not. Every alcoholic began with the first drink. And, drinking alcohol by a believer could give the wrong idea to sinners, not to mention weak brothers / sisters. Why give the enemy anything to use?


    1 Thessalonians 5
    22 Abstain from all appearance of evil.

    Romans 14
    21 It is good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor any thing whereby thy brother stumbleth, or is offended, or is made weak.
     
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    Anything that is not of faith as it is wrriten is sin. The commandment is not to be drunk on wine .it is not do not drink it. Wine is anything that intoxicates or invigorates to include false pride.


    Alcohol I would offer is the gateway drug approved of the government. I would think Satan’s choice easing the discomfort of that which the bible uses taking away the sting of the law.
     
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    Sounds like Mormon theology.
    Jesus created some wine from water. Grape juice or wine would have been a miracle, but let's face It, at Weddings fermented wine was served. Why was the master of the banquet impressed with the quality of the wine if it was just grape juice? Grape juice is grape juice.
    He called the bridegroom over and said, "Every one brings out the choice wine first and then the cheaper wine after the guests have had too much to drink, but you have saved the best till now!"
    Choice wine? Cheaper wine? Sound familiar.
    Besides a little wine is goid for stomach problems, it is medicinal.
    The Bible does not say don't drink, it says do not get drunk!
     
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    something I can actually agree with for a change
     
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