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The Mark of the Beast/ The Seal of God

Discussion in 'Bible Study Forum' started by herald, Nov 15, 2006.

  1. herald

    herald New Member

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    What is the SEAL of God? A seal, usually, refers to the use of a signet ring to press it's image into wax, melted upon a document. The imprint implies authenticity and ownership. The Ten Commandments were sealed with the fourth commandment, and in it, we see the three components of a seal:1. Person's NAME: Lord God (Isa 42:8)2. Person's AUTHORITY: Maker or Creator of all (Isa 40:25,26; Jer 10:10-12; Rev 4:11).3. TERRITORY ruled: Heaven and earth (Gen 2:1-4; Ex 20:8-11)In Ezekiel 20:12, we read, that the Sabbath is a SIGN between God and His people. A sign when followed as God commands, becomes a SEAL of righteousness. Ro 4:11. God's seal is His law written in your mind. Heb 10:15,16. "And thou shalt bind them for a sign upon thine hand, and they shall be as frontlets between thine eyes (forehead)." Deut 6:8. His seal upon our hand and in our forehead - In the hand is symbolic of service, in the forehead is symbolic of worship.So what is the counterpart to the SEAL of God? The MARK of the Beast.Rome says, "Of course the Catholic Church claims the change was her act...and the act is a MARK of her ecclesiastical power and authority in religious matters." Thomas, H.F., Chancellor of Cardinal Gibbons, in answer to a letter regarding the change of the Sabbath. (In 364 A.D., at the Council of Laodicea.)Again Rome says, "It's (Sunday's change for Saturday) the MARK of our authority to OVER-RULE God's law." Father Enright, C.S.S.R., President of Redemptorist College, History of the Sabbath, p 802."Sunday is our MARK of authority...The church is ABOVE THE BIBLE, and this transference of Sabbath observance is proof of that fact." The Catholic Record, September 1, 1923."The Bible says, 'Remember that thou keep holy the Sabbath day.' The Catholic Church says, 'No! by my divine power, I abolish the Sabbath day, and COMMAND YOU to keep holy the first day of the week. And, lo! The entire civilized world bows down in reverent obedience to the command of the holy Catholic Church." Father Enright.(Emphasis added)Pope John Paul 11, Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell have called for re-instituting the "Sunday" or, "Blue Laws." They are, still, on the books in twenty-six states. In Virginia, the third infraction meant death!Does this sound, far-fetched? How about a tree in the garden of Eden, determining the fate of all mankind?It is a question of allegiance. To whom do you give your allegiance? To the "harlot and her daughters" (Rev 17) - the apostate Catholic/Protestant religious system of man, (which, has supplanted the Word of God with her traditions), or, to the Word of God? One day, we all will have to choose.
     
  2. HammerStone

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    Revelation 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:You know, as I was posting this I realized how I never payed attention to a very important word in a very important phrase in this verse. The phrase "right hand" seems to confirm much of what you have posted above.I have always been of the mindset that this mark will not be something physical. We have the description of the "Seal of God" which is clearly not physical so why should its converse not be so as well?This is where the clue of the "right hand" comes into play. This is a Hebrew idiom meaning your might, or you can think of it as your effort and power I suppose. Israel streched out his hands to annoint Ephraim and Manassah and it was very important where his right hand went. We know that Yeshua ascended to heaven to sit at none other than the "right hand" of God. We have the beautiful verses from Psalms such as:Psalms 16:8I have set the LORD always before me: because he is at my right hand, I shall not be moved.It's clear from this small sampling that the right hand is something important. It defines your power and what you do. On that same token, the mark also can be received "in their foreheads" - this is a another clear sign of what type of mark we're dealing with. What are your hands there for? They do. What does your mind do? It thinks. When you do something, using the Hebrew idiom here, this is the mark of the beast - when you do his work over God's work. I don't think you're too far at all from the mark herald and that's a good post.
     
  3. Jenn4God

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    As the Beast has already been identified, the number, whatever significance it may have, must have a relationship to this power. The number, says the prophecy, is the number of a man, and if it is to be derived from a name or title, the natural conclusion would be that is must be the name or title of some particular man. Vicarious Filii Dei, meaning "Vicar of the Son of God," is one of the titles for the Pope of Rome, who is also the Antichrist.? The numerical value of the component letter of this title totals 666 as shown in the image below.Revelation 13:18 adds to the evidence before us, by giving us the number of the beast. "Here is the wisdom. Let him who hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man: and his number is six hundred three-score and six. This is one of the pope's main titles...V=5 I=1C=100A=0R=0I=1U=5S=0-------> 112F=0I=1L=50I=1I=1------->53 D=500 E=0 I=1 ------->501 112+53+501=666 It also comes out the same in Hebrew and Greek.( U and V are interchangeable-look in your encyclopedia under "alphabet". )Here we have indeed the number of a man, even the "man of sin;" and it is a little singular, perhaps providential, that he should select a title which shows the blasphemous character of the beast, and then cause it to be inscribed upon his miter, as if to brand himself with the number 666. Not all popes might wear the title emblazoned on the miter, but this does not affect the application at all, for the popes all assume to be the "Vicar of Christ" and the Latin words given above, are the words which express that title, in the form "Vicar of the Son of God;" and their numerical value is 666.[url="http://www.remnantofgod.org/flash/theacss.html]WATCH THIS VIDEO[/url]
     
  4. Jenn4God

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    The number 6 as used in scripture is representative of mankind without relationship with God or mankind under sin.Interestingly enough the Greek alphabet has no 'natural' letter for the numeral 6. Instead the Greeks used the symbol 'stigma' to signify this value. This symbol was also used for branding slaves and beasts of burden.Some examples of the use of the number 6 in scripture are:God created mankind on the sixth day. Man is instructed to labour for six days (Genesis 3). The sixth commandment is thou shalt shalt not kill The law stated that Hebrew slaves were to render servitude to their masters for six years. The mark of the beast in the book of Revelation is 666 or 6 x 111 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------The number 666This number, more than any other, has found prominence in the mind of Bible readers. It carries with it an air of mystery and evil. Most people mistakenly take this number to represent the Devil or Satan, which is contrary to the relevant scriptures. REV 13:16-18And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six (666). As can be clearly seen in the scriptures, the number 666 is used to identify a man. This man represents the perfect example of man under sin or bondage, and following with the context of the chapter, we can see that this man is the head of the world system being described. Another interesting point to note about this section of scripture is the word 'mark' (Gk: charagma) used in verse 17 is the 666th word in the original Greek text of the book of Revelation. Now, as to what is meant by the term "... the number of his name" in verse 17, we will leave the decision on this point up to the reader, but consider the following numerical gematrias of certain names: Roman Man - (GK: LATEINOS) - 30+1+300+5+10+50+70+200=666 Roman Man - (HB: ROMITI) - 200+6+40+10+400+10=666 The Romans also used their alphabet to represent numerals. However they didn't use their whole alphabet as did the Hebrews and Greeks. The Romans used their alphabet as follows : D = 500, C = 100, L = 50, X = 10, V = 5, I = 1 N.B. The modern use of the letter M has been derived by the use of two Ds I.E. DD D = 500 C = 100 L = 50 X = 10 V = 5 I = 1-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 666The triple crown placed upon the head of the Pope at his coronation bears the following inscription : VICARIUS FILII DEI which translates as VICAR OF THE SON OF GOD. The numerical gematria of this title (in Roman numerals) is as follows: V = 5 F = - D = 500 I = 1 I = 1 E = - C = 100 L = 50 I = 1 A = - I = 1 R = - I = 1 I = 1 U = 5 S = - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 112 + 53 + 501 = 666
     
  5. skeptik

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    So what? Bill Gates in ASCII sums 666.If you take my name, and translate every letter to the number 10, sum them and then multiply it by some number you get: 666 Am I the anti christ? :eek: Sorry, just seems a waste of time trying to find patterns and summing numbers in a completely illogical way to get what you want.
     
  6. Jenn4God

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    Do you believe this monster is simply a backslidden or apostate church like many of our Christian leaders tell us, or is she the ***** of Revelation? Let's look at scripture and check it out for ourselves. We find in chapter 17 of the Book of Revelation the Bible says, "I will show unto thee the judgment of the great ***** that sitteth upon many waters:" And, of course, in scripture the reference to many waters means multitudes of people. Today the Vatican boasts almost one billion followers. What's that, almost a quarter of the earth's population? And it says, "With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication." If you look back in history you will see that almost every king has had political, economic or religious ties with the Vatican, starting with Constantine the Great, who was actually the first pope, and presided over the first council. Constantine was never saved. (That was another smokescreen.) Most nations today have diplomatic representatives in the Vatican. "And the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication." We have just looked at the madness of World War II and how it was set up by the Jesuits. And the Bible goes on to say, "The woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet." These are the official colors of the Vatican. "And decked with gold and precious stones and pearls." Did you know the Vatican is the wealthiest organization on the face of the earth? Later in the book I'll go into this in more detail. The Bible goes on to say, "And on her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT." Where did Catholicism come from? If you do a little research you'll find it came from the ancient Babylonian mysteries, and you can trace it right back to Nimrod and Semiramis. Only the names were changed to make it look like a Christian organization. "...Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird." Rev. 18:2 "The Mother of Harlots and Abominations of the earth." Can I name a few abominations that came from Rome? We have the Nazi Party, which was staffed with Jesuits and high ranking Catholics. And then we have the communist party, another offshoot, or branch of the mother of harlots. Listen to these names: Marx, Engels, Stalin, Lenin, Fidel Castro. All were trained and guided by Jesuits. We are publishing two new books that go into detail on this. So these are her babies. Just a few of them, not to mention some of the spirit cults like voodoo. In the voodoo creed they state that, along with their religion of demon possession, they believe in "the holy Roman Catholic church." The Bible goes on to say, "And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints." The Roman Catholic Institution tortured, maimed and murdered 68 million people during the Spanish Inquisition alone, and many of these were Bible-believing Chrtians. Who would you say the ***** of Revelation is? Is it something that will come in the future, or are we stuck with it right now? Beloved, it is obvious the ***** of Revelation is the Roman Catholic Institution, and God hates it! He wants His people to come out of it so that His love can be manifested. God says, "If you love me, keep my commandments." (John 14:15) At the end of the Dark Ages, when the popes ruthlessly controlled Europe, God raised up Christian men and women who knew the Bible and loudly proclaimed that the deadly Roman Catholic Institution was the ***** of Revelation.
     
  7. skeptik

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    Figures the beast would be a woman. [​IMG] (Jenn4God;4378)
    And it says, "With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication." If you look back in history you will see that almost every king has had political, economic or religious ties with the Vatican, starting with Constantine the Great, who was actually the first pope, and presided over the first council. Constantine was never saved. (That was another smokescreen.) Most natI would've expected better fromions today have diplomatic representatives in the Vatican.
    Saint Peter was the first pope. And your bible and book of revelations is the result of the same vatican you now claim to be the beast. And it is the result of the same council mandated by Constantine that you now denounce. For the rest of your post, I refer you back to Matthew 18:18(Matthew 18:18)
    Truly, I say to you, whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
    Hence, dogmatic law.
     
  8. Jenn4God

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    You sound like a catholic trying to defend your disgraceful religion. I am sorry if my posts hurt your feelings. In time you will see I am right. The catholics are so tied up in idolatry, mary worship, and traditions, that they are missing the true Word of God. If you do some research, you will find that everything going on in the middle east right now is found in bible prophecy. Everything is falling in place for the coming of Christ. If the Roman Catholic Institution is so innocent then perhaps you can tell me who the wh**re of Revelation is? Watch the video in my first post on this topic.
     
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    I am no catholic. If you read any of my posts in other threads you see that frankly I don't follow any denomination.Please respond to what I wrote. Screaming: "CATHOLICS S**K" at me after pulling numbers out of thin air to show how catholics are followers of the beast is not considered debate. Here's something interesting:J = 50E = 100N = 75N = 754 = 166G = 60O = 60D = 80------------> 666
     
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    First of all, your numbers aren't right! Second of all I don't pull numbers out of thin air. The numbers used are Hebrew and Greek. What are yours? Third, I have posted more than just numbers, have you read the rest of the information? If so, you must be misunderstanding the content.
     
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    Let me quote myself:(skeptik;4380)
    Figures the beast would be a woman. [​IMG] Saint Peter was the first pope. And your bible and book of revelations is the result of the same vatican you now claim to be the beast. And it is the result of the same council mandated by Constantine that you now denounce. For the rest of your post, I refer you back to Matthew 18:18"Truly, I say to you, whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven."Hence, dogmatic law.
    Please respond to THIS post. And yes, the numbers pop out of thin air because you can't equate words with roman numerals. What's with all the 0's? A good equation would be the one I mentioned before where the full name of bill gates translated to its ASCII code DOES sum 666. Each letter has a number, not just some! I can find any combination of words and their respective numeric value to sum up to 666. I can find any number of words that have some letters that correspond to roman numerals that sum 666.I followed the same reasoning more or less in my subsequent conclusion.
     
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    The Os are because those letters don't exist in the hebrew and greek numerical system. You can make up as many number combinations as you want but it won't do any good because they prove nothing since those number systems weren't around yet at the time of the Revelation prophecy. It's not like I am saying the numbers are my only proof. Everything else points in the same direction.
     
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    The Os are because those letters don't exist in the hebrew and greek numerical system. You can make up as many number combinations as you want but it won't do any good because they prove nothing since those number systems weren't around yet at the time of the Revelation prophecy. It's not like I am saying the numbers are my only proof. Everything else points in the same direction.
    Sure. [​IMG] So I should clear my schedule for next thursday then? I'd really love to see Mr. Ratzinger spewing fire.
     
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    What does that have to do with anything? You are acting very childish and close minded. I will continue this conversation with you when you have something useful to say.
     
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    What does that have to do with anything? You are acting very childish and close minded. I will continue this conversation with you when you have something useful to say.
    Close minded? Well, me and my disgraceful religion think that saying someone is close minded when they are making as much sense as a 3 month old baby is ironic.
     
  16. HammerStone

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    Alright you two, please keep it civil. (That goes for both sides.) The same book that contains the number 666 contains the answer. It works just like many other passages of the Bible with the lock and key in different locations, be it the same book or even split between the Old and New Testaments. Revelation contains references to a total of 7 vials, 7 seals, and 7 trumps. I don't think anyone is going to dispute that 7 is a Godly number having to do particularly with spiritual perfection. Needless to say, each category has numbers: 1,2,3,4,5,6. There are 6 vials, 6 seals, 6 trumps...666 in the book of Revelation. 6th Seal:Revelation 6:12-13And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. The blood red moon sound familiar? Joel 2:31The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come. Matthew 24:29The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come. The moon loses its light (ever seen the moon when it's red, it darkens?) and the stars fall to Earth. That ring a bell? The morning star himself, Lucifer, will fall to Earth to deceive - do not confuse him with the bright morning star, Yeshua. 6th TrumpRevelation 9:13-19And the sixth angel sounded, and I heard a voice from the four horns of the golden altar which is before God, Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates. And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men. And the number of the army of the horsemen were two hundred thousand thousand: and I heard the number of them. "And thus I saw the horses in the vision, and them that sat on them, having breastplates of fire, and of jacinth, and brimstone: and the heads of the horses were as the heads of lions; and out of their mouths issued fire and smoke and brimstone. "By these three was the third part of men killed, by the fire, and by the smoke, and by the brimstone, which issued out of their mouths. For their power is in their mouth, and in their tails: for their tails were like unto serpents, and had heads, and with them they do hurt. What does this army sound like? It is none other than the demonic horde of Satan and his followers. They do not consume by deed, they consume by lies and hate: I Peter 5:8Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour: Taken from the prophetic book of Daniel: Daniel 11:23And after the league made with him he shall work deceitfully: for he shall come up, and shall become strong with a small people. Here's the kicker: Revelation 13:6-9And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven. And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. If any man have an ear, let him hear. Not convinced yet? 6th VialRevelation 16:12-14And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared. And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet. For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty. Sounds very similar to the 6th trump now doesn't it? Even bares similarities to the loosening of these malicious spirits in the 6th seal? That's because they all happen at the same time the 6th seal, 6th trump, and 6th vial! His number is 666 because this is when Satan aka. the antichrist aka. the son of perdition shows up. This also parallels Matthew 24, Mark 13, and Luke 21!
     
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    Saint Peter was the first pope.
    Wrong! Check out this audio broadcast..... CLICK HERE
     
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    I love the debate about 666, marks and seals, etc. I imagine it to be a fairly plain issue though, as expounded upon. What is in your mind, where do you put your allegiance, how do you work for it's good? That's what the mark is all about, swearing allegiance to the beast power. As many seem to argue here, I believe it to be the Catholic Church as well. The way the world is now, I can see the world being very polarized between a Christian faction and an Islamic faction. What better to represent the christian than the catholic church?
     
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    Revelation 13:18 "Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six."Wisdom comes from knowledge, and all wisdom is from God, from wisdom comes understanding. We were told to "count the number of the beast". This was written in Greek, and the Greek word means more then counting numbers. You simple can't understand this meaning if you don't understand this Greek word. The word is #5585 in Strong's Greek dictionary, and it means to "calculate by counting the stones that are warn smooth over a long period of time."What stones? We were told in chapter two, we would receive a new stone with a new name written on it. This word "count" originated from that word "stone" of chapter two of the book of Genesis. These are the only places in the Bible this word for count, or stone is used. So we must enumerate, or calculate these stones worn smooth over a long period of time. "Their rock is not our Rock, and his stones are not our Stones," is what the overcomers will sing, as the "Song of Moses tells us in Deuteronomy 32. God is our Rock, and Satan is the false rock, but which stones are we to count? The stones are the number of man, that man is Satan, and if you know Satan you will know his children. Those stones are his children [offspring]. The "mark of the beast" number [6-6-6] then is to count, or know Satan's children over a long period of time. They are the "Kenites", the offspring of Cain, who was the child of Satan, through Eve, who was "beguiled in the Garden of Eden".
     
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    Very, very good post there n2light, thank you for sharing that!
     
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