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The Metaphoric Explanation of the Holy Bible – Discovering True Christianity

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  1. Shanmugam

    Shanmugam New Member

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    We tend to interpret the scriptures the wrong way when we take them literally. But scriptures are full of metaphors. It is said that God breathed his breath into man. The Holy Spirit comes from the Greek word ‘pneuma’ which means ‘breath’. Holy spirit is the same as Prana, Shakti and Kundalini in Hinduism. It is what animates the world and the human beings. But inside the human beings it is dormant. By spiritual practice involving unconditional devotion and meditation, we purify ourselves and let the holy spirit be revealed and fill our entire being. This is the meaning of getting baptized by the Spirit. The fall of Adam and Eve is a beautiful metaphor that indicates how the oneness of childhood is lost by the birth of duality. This happens to everyone. Exodus is the symbolism of the journey from bondage to liberation. Crucifixion is the death of the duality. And resurrection is the birth of Christ consciousness, the spiritual rebirth which brings the gifts of the Holy Spirit. It is called as Jnana in Hinduism.

    This doesn’t mean that the stories in Bible didn’t happen. They just didn’t happen exactly the way it is explained. Also, there is a strong consensus among historians that Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses and many others were not real people. Archeological research has rendered incredible evidence for the fact that many of the Bible stories are stories and not history. But it also presents the history of Israel in a way that adds juice to the story, even though it is completely different from the actual history. For example, the conquest of Canaan didn’t really happen; but to interpret it in a symbolic way, it symbolizes the conquest of one’s own ignorance, which is also the metaphorical interpretation of Holy Jihad in Islam. United Kingdom of Israel as portrayed in the Bible never existed either.

    The Hebrew Bible was written for two purposes. Contrary to what Bible suggests, the entire Torah and the parts of Old testament was written sometime around 8th – 6th Century BCE. A major part was written after the destruction of the first temple in Jerusalem. The first purpose was political: to unite the people of Israel under one God, one temple and one Kingdom. The second purpose is spiritual: to convey truths via metaphors, parables and sayings.

    The whole Bible comes under the category of mythology. In fact, only after the birth of Jesus, puranas, the Indian myths were composed. This also suggests that Indian mythology might have been inspired by Christian and Jewish scriptures. Indian myths also try to convey the spiritual truths using metaphors, parables, sayings and in the form of conversation between two people, a guru and a disciple. They do convey a little bit of history directly and indirectly, but many of the stories were added to create an interesting narrative. This narrative was used to unite people and also to kindle the feelings of devotion in the initial stage.

    It is said that Quran was revealed to Muhammad by angel Gabriel. But here it is important to understand that even Gabriel is a personification of the Holy Spirit and the revelation by Gabriel is hence symbolic. There are a lot of such symbols in scriptures.

    However, historians do agree that Jesus was a historical person. Two incidents which are considered as absolutely real are his baptism by John and his crucifixion.

    John Campbell, an American professor of literature, has done a lot of research and has written books on this subject. I haven’t read any of his books yet and hence can’t comment about how efficient his arguments are. But I understood the symbolic nature of myths and scriptures in the light of my own experience.

    Also read: Dear Christians, Hindu Deities are not Evil Spirits! – A Criticism of Christian Churches Which Promote Religious Intolerance
     
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    ScottA Well-Known Member

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    There is just one problem with your hypothesis--it's the conjecture of ungodly men.

    The Christian bible on the other hand is a written record of the only creator God and His contact with real people. You see, when the bible was complete, He did not stop His communication with His chosen through every generation. We are His witnesses. That's right, you might be able to fool some with your conjecture about ancient times. But even now He is with us, and we know of what we speak. But you, you are a speculating spectator. You got nothing.
     
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  3. Giuliano

    Giuliano Well-Known Member

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    Have you ever heard about Jesus preaching in India? It's said that there were people in India who remembered him when St. Thomas arrived so they knew exactly who Thomas was talking about.

    The Tibetan Buddhists also remember Jesus although they spell the name Issa.

    I tend to believe it since he said he had other sheep in other folds.
    As I see it, one of biggest problems with Hinduism is how the priests who know don't tell most people that there is only One God or emphasize it enough. The "gods" are expressions of Him. Isn't everything? I think Hinduism, properly understood, is monotheistic. That is not meant as a criticism of Hinduism alone; I think most religions struggle with it and often reach the wrong conclusions.

    The Hebrews seldom used names for angels and so on since they thought people might begin to worship them as "independent" gods not seeing them as manifestations of the One God.
     
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    Yes, I actually read a book 'Jesus lived in India' which has a lot of evidences. And I think there is certainly some truth to it.
     
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    I imagine it makes a good book, anyway LOL Kind of a difficult timetable to justify though.
     
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    How so? What was Jesus doing in the "missing years" that aren't discussed in the Gospels?

    How did Buddhists know about him before Christian missionaries reached Tibet?
     
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    What I heard was that was recognized as a holy man and drew big crowds when he spoke. I think he wasn't too popular with the upper classes though since he didn't approve of the caste system.
     
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    Shanmugam,

    Have you ever studied the chakras in Hinduism or Buddhism? If so, I would interested in discussing them with you. I believe most of them are mentioned in the Bible, but many Christians don't know what to make of them.

    Here is one example:

    Luke 11:34 The light of the body is the eye: therefore when thine eye is single, thy whole body also is full of light; but when thine eye is evil, thy body also is full of darkness.

    It seems clear to me Jesus was talking about what Hindus and Buddhists call the "inner eye" chakra. Do you have any thoughts on that?
     
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    Adam
    Adam’s name means “man”. As the first man, that seems straight forward enough.

    Seth
    Adam’s son was named Seth, which means “appointed”. Eve said, “For God hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew.”[4]

    Enosh
    Seth’s son was called Enosh, which means “mortal, frail, or miserable”. It is from the root anash, “to be incurable”, used of a wound, grief, woe, sickness, or wickedness.

    It was in the days of Enosh that men began to defile the name of the Living God.[5]

    Kenan
    Enosh’s son was named Kenan, which can mean “sorrow, dirge, or elegy”. (The precise denotation is somewhat elusive; some study aids unfortunately presume that Kenan is synonymous with Cainan.)

    Balaam, looking down from the heights of Moab, uses a pun upon the name of the Kenites when he prophesies their destruction.[6]

    We have no real idea as to why these names were chosen for their children. Often they may have referred to circumstances at birth, and so on.

    Mahalalel
    Kenan’s son was Mahalalel, from mahalalwhich means blessed or praise; and El, the name for God. Thus, Mahalalel means the “Blessed God”. Often Hebrew names include El, the name of God, as Dan-i-el, “God is my Judge”, etc.

    Jared
    Mahalalel’s son was named Jared, from the verb yaradh, meaning “shall come down”.[7]

    Enoch
    Jared’s son was named Enoch, which means “teaching, or commencement”. He was the first of four generations of preachers. In fact, the earliest recorded prophecy was by Enoch, which amazingly enough deals with the Second Coming of Christ (although it is quoted in the Book of Jude in the New Testament):

    Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, “Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,

    To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against.”

    Jude 14–15

    Methuselah
    Enoch was the father of Methuselah, who we have already mentioned. Enoch walked with God after he begat Methuselah.[8] Apparently, Enoch received the prophecy of the Great Flood, and was told that as long as his son was alive, the judgment of the flood would be withheld. The year that Methuselah died, the flood came.

    Enoch, of course, never died: he was translated[9] (or, if you’ll excuse the expression, raptured). That’s how Methuselah can be the oldest man in the Bible, yet he died before his father!

    Lamech
    Methuselah’s son was named Lamech, a root still evident today in our own English word, “lament or lamentation”. Lamech suggests despairing.

    (This name is also linked to the Lamech in Cain’s line who inadvertently killed his son Tubal-Cain in a hunting incident.[10])

    Noah
    Lamech, of course, is the father of Noah, which is derived from nacham, “to bring relief or comfort”, as Lamech himself explains in Genesis 5:29.

    The Composite List
    Now let’s put it all together:

    Hebrew English
    Adam Man
    Seth Appointed
    Enosh Mortal
    Kenan Sorrow;
    Mahalalel The Blessed God
    Jared Shall come down
    Enoch Teaching
    Methuselah His death shall bring
    Lamech The Despairing
    Noah Rest, or comfort.
    That’s rather remarkable:

    Man (is) appointed mortal sorrow; (but) the Blessed God shall come down teaching (that) His death shall bring (the) despairing rest.

    Here’s the Gospel hidden within a genealogy in Genesis!

    (You will never convince me that a group of Jewish rabbis conspired to hide the Christian Gospel right here in a genealogy within their venerated Torah!)
     
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    The plan of redemption is also written in the constellations names first given to the Hebrew from God (Virgo, leo, Pisces.)

    Think about it.
     
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    The Hebrew “Mazzaroth” has nothing to do with astrology. Rather, it is a tool that uses the stars to tell a story.

    In this article, we’re going to look at the Mazzaroth, the Hebrew name for the zodiac. Many scholars believe the word zodiac comes from the Greek zidiakòs kýklos meaning “a circle of little animals.” The Sanskrit root word sodi, though, means “the way” and reflects the Middle East understanding of the zodiac.

    The Mazzaroth has nothing to do with astrology or any attempt to tell our futures based on the stars. Rather, the Mazzaroth is a tool that uses the stars to tell a story.

    The Hebrews knew their constellations. They were not to worship the stars, but the first chapter of Genesis states that when God created the heavenly bodies, He did so for several reasons. He said, “…Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years.”[1]
     
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    The Seed of the Virgin
    The first sign of the Mazzaroth is known best by her Latin name Virgo—the Virgin. In the Mazzaroth, the Hebrew name of this constellation is Bethulah, which also means Virgin, and she holds a branch in her hand (see graphic, left).

    That’s interesting. Why is the Virgin holding a branch in her hand? The brightest star in the constellation is Spica, Latin for “ear of grain.” The Hebrew name for the star, Tsemech, means “branch” as does the Arabic name, Al Zimach. In Egyptian, the star is Aspolia—“the seed.”

    There are 20 Hebrew words that can mean “branch.” Tsemach is consistently associated with the Messiah—the Branch who will sprout up out of the root of David (Isaiah 4:2, Jeremiah 23:5, Zechariah 3:8). The reference to the grain is interesting. In the Gospel of John, Jesus says:

    “Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.”

    John 12:24

    If we can’t track the Hebrew names, the Arabic is usually very close, because the languages are similar. In Arabic, the whole constellation is called The Branch, and the other bright stars in the constellation are Zavijaveh, “gloriously beautiful” and Al Mureddin, “who shall have dominion” (Psalm 72:8). In Chaldean, this last star is Vindemiatrix, “son who cometh.”

    Bethulah/Virgo corresponds beautifully with Genesis 3:15 and Isaiah 7:14, the first Biblical prophecy of the coming Messiah, born of the seed of the woman, born of a virgin.
     
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    Anyone who wishes to see more google Dr Chuck Missler (signs of the zodiac)
     
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    I think most of "missing" what the Bible intends, comes mainly from us not using the brains God gave us.
     
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    Does this have a physical meaning as well as a spiritual one? Can the sky teach us anything?

    Psalm 19:1 The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.

    I was struck when reading about the cherubim how they related to certain constellations, namely what are called the fixed signs of the zodiac.

    The four fixed signs are Taurus the Bull, Leo the Lion, Scorpio the Scorpion, and Aquarius the Man (Pot in the Hindu system since Aquarius is the water bearer).

    Three of the four were clear at once. The calf corresponded to the bull; the lion was the same and so was the man. What then about the scorpion?
    Well, right next to Scorpio is another constellation called Aquila the Eagle, so that corresponds to the eagle in the cherubim.
     
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    Does it connect with "Bethlehem" the "house of bread"? I think so.

    Also note that the opposite sign which forms a kind of polarity the way north and south poles do in a magnet is Pisces the fish. Bread and fishes? Again, I think so.
     
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    Bread and fishe? How about chicken wings barbecue spare ribs and chip? How about soda and helping list souls? How about weeds and rates? Or souls that believe on Jesus and God? Again you think so but sadly fail to see darkness and darkness.
     
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    Waiting on him. Thank You for this!
     
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    In the beginning in genesis Jesus divided a body of water from top to bottom with the sky, and from the water below made to appear the earth. This is literal and it is the world that lies about what's above the sky which is water. Space as you hear it in the world is a lie from man.
     
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    Then why bother? Why should anyone sane person waste their time over fantasies or fairy tales.
     
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