The Protestant faith?

[theefaith]

The Protestant faith?

There is no such thing as Protestant faith!

Only one Gospel!
Only one faith! Eph 4:5 Jude 1:3
The deposit of faith revealed to the apostles by Christ in person not by the “Bible alone”!
One true church founded by Christ on Peter and the apostles and their successors to teach and sanctify all men unto eternal salvation!

Reformed church or theology: reformed faith?

Truth must be revealed by God, and in its fullness in the sacred deposit of faith by Christ to his church! Eph 4:5 Jude 1:3 and must be taught by the church, or proposed for our belief by the apostles!
Matt 28:19-20 Lk 1:4 Jn 20:21 acts 8:31 Rom 1:5 col 2:7 1 Tim 3:15
matt 18:17

Christ and His church are one! acts 9:4 Acts 5:32 Jn 15:1-5

Truth is immutable! Cannot change!

Truth and the church are divine!
They come from God and cannot be in error or imperfect so they cannot change or be reformed by man to say they can is blasphemy and treason against God who revealed them!

And same truths revealed by Christ and taught by the church are always believed and taught from the beginning when Christ taught his church in person! Jude 1:3 the faith once delivered to the saints or the deposit of faith eph 4:5 one faith!

Truth must be revealed by God thru Christ to His church (the apostles Jude 1:3) then must be proposed by the church, (Matt 28:19 gal 3:23) without error by the Holy Spirit! (Jn 16:13)

The evidence of true faith is humble subjection and obedience to Christ & His holy church!

The rule of faith for Christians is Jesus Christ Jn 14:6 and His church! Matt 18:17 acts 2:42 1 Tim 3:15

True Christians cannot listen to the errors of excommunicated heretics, but we listen faithfully to Christ, in the bosom of holy mother church, the only ark of salvation!
1 pet 3:20-21 matt 18:17 matt 16:18-19 matt 28:19-20 Jn 16:13 Jn 20:21-23

2 Thessalonians 1:8
In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:

The Protestant reformation:

They so called reformers had no authority, not one was an apostle!

They rejected the one true church, (and Christ who founded it) and started new churches!

The Bible does say authorize a reformation!

The holy church of Christ is eternal!
Lk 1:32-33

Christ and His church are one! (Acts 9:4 eph 5:32 Jn 15:1-5)

This Apostolic Church never turned from the way of truth nor held any kind of error. It is imperative that nothing of the truths which have been defined be lessened, nothing altered, nothing added, but that they be preserved intact in word and meaning. This is the true rule of faith. Pope Agatho

Matt 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost!

 

[theefaith]

Jesus Christ founded the new covenant church for the salvation of all men! (Jn 1:16-17) Christ is the truth! (Jn 14:6) Christ and his church are one!
(Acts 9;4 eph 5:32)
The church is the pillar of truth
(1 Tim 3:15) that must teach all men (Matt 28:19) without error guided by the Holy Spirit
(Jn 16:13) Thru the grace of God in the sanctification of souls applied in the seven sacraments!

Christ established the sacraments as the primary means of grace!

Sacramental life: Jn 1:16 And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace. Jn 10:10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

Christ founded the church for the salvation of souls!
Teach and sanctify all men unto eternal salvation!
Matt 28:19



now the eternal church is God’s kingdom founded by God the perfect spotless bride of Christ prepared by God from heaven!

how can there be something wrong with his bride???

How can Christ divorce his bride and marry another Protesting, church of rebellion???

The church and the truth is from God and is immutable, it cannot be reformed !!!

matt 16:18 shall not prevail
Jn 8:32 you shall know the truth
Jn 16:13 HS leads the apostles into all truth
Matt 18:17 must hear the church
Lk 10:16 hear the apostles
Jn 10:16 one church
Matt 5:14 light of the world
1 Tim 3:15 pillar of truth

 

[theefaith]

The church is an extension of Christ!

Jesus Christ extends his mission, power, and authority to His church of His apostles!

Even His judging!
Matt 19:28 and 1 cor 6:2
His teaching authority!
Matt 28:19 and Jn 20:21
His power to forgive sins!
Jn 20:23
His being the light of the world!
Matt 5:14
His ministry of reconciliation!
2 cor 5:18
His authority in governing the church and administering the kingdom!
Matt 16:18-19 & 18:18 Jn 21:17
Lk 22:29
Apart from me you can do nothing. Jn 15:5
Acts 2:42 doctrine of the apostles!
So the church is subject to Christ!
Eph 5:24
Christ shares His glory! 2 thes 1:10 rev 12:1

The pillar and foundation of TRUTH!
1 Tim 3:15

The TWO EDGE SWORD!
To proclaim the truth! Matt 28:19
To condemn error! 1 cor 16:22

Jesus Christ founded the new covenant church for the salvation of all men! (Jn 1:16-17) Christ is the truth! (Jn 14:6) Christ and his church are one!
(Acts 9;4 eph 5:32)
The church is the pillar of truth
(1 Tim 3:15) that must teach all men (Matt 28:19) without error guided by the Holy Spirit
(Jn 16:13) Thru the grace of God in the sanctification of souls applied in the seven sacraments!

Jesus Christ continues HIS ministry in His new covenant church thru Peter, the apostles, and their successors with the same mission, power, and authority!
Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Matt 18:17 Acts 1:17 acts 8:31 & 35 acts 9:4 Lk 10:16 Jn 8:32 Jn 13:20 Jn 15:5 Jn 16:13 Jn 20:21-22 eph 2:20 acts 2:42
1 Tim 3:15

Fundamentalism drives a wedge between Christ and his church, separates Christ from His kingdom, and the authority of Christ from the new covenant!

1 Corinthians 16:22
If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema

Extends to the truth and the church

Cos Christ is the truth and His church teaches the truth without error! Jn 14:6 matt 28:19 matt 18:17 1 Tim 3:15 Jn 29:21-23 Jn 16:13

Christ and His church are one! Acts 9:4 eph 5:32

Authority of the Apostles!

What authority does Christ have?
What power does Christ have?
What mission / ministry does Christ have?

Peter, the apostles and their successors have the same authority, power, and mission! Jn 20:21 as my father sent me, even so send I you!

John 17:18
As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.

The apostles are Christ’s successors!
They have authority to send others as well, apostle means one who is sent!

Therefore the apostles have authority to send more apostles or successors!
Apostolic succession!

The nations still need to be taught, disciples still need to be baptized and the church the new covenant kingdom of christ still needs to be governed!

Hebrews 3:1
Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus;

Christ is an apostle, and has authority to send other apostles, the apostles also have this authority, so the apostles continue down thru the centuries as Christ promised! Matt 28:19-20

Keys of authority! And power to bind and loose! Matt 16:18 and Matt 18:18 matt 28:19 Isa 22:21-22

Moral authority:
(Teaching)
Necessity of being taught by Christ:
Two edge sword: defining truth and condemning errors, and Interpreting scripture.

Jurisdictional authority:
(Governing / administering)
Necessity of Peter and the apostles and their successors to govern the holy church.

Spiritual authority:
(Life of Grace)
Sanctifying thru the mass and Sacraments

The apostles teaching is Christ’s teaching, Christ and His church are one! Acts 9:4

Christian rule of faith is not the Bible alone! But the doctrine of the apostles! Acts 2:42


Repeat!
Jesus Christ continues HIS ministry in His new covenant church thru Peter, the apostles, and their successors with the same mission, power, and authority!
Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Acts 1:17 acts 8:31 & 35 Lk 10:16 Jn 8:32 Jn 13:20 Jn 15:5 Jn 16:13 Jn 20:21-22 eph 2:20

 

[Davy]

Yeah, there IS... such a thing as the PROTESTANT FAITH.

To be a PROTESTANT Christian means LEAVING the doctrines and traditions of 'men' devised by 'men' in the Catholic Church, and not by GOD Himself. It essentially means leaving a RELIGIOUS SYSTEM LIKE THE BLIND PHARISEES HAD CREATED OUTSIDE THE BIBLE. This is why the Catholic Church is against the idea of 'Sola Scriptura' (Scripture Only). By denying many Scriptures, they create their 'own' doctrines outside God's Word.

And because the PROTESTANTS called the Catholic Church out for their misdeeds created by 'men' who sought control over the people AND THEIR WEALTH, the Catholic Church began persecuting the Protestants, even murdering them! And for this reason many European Protestants left Catholic persecutions in those countries and fled to the Americas!

And the early founders of the United States were NOT Catholics, but Protestants. The 1st U.S. President that was a Catholic was John F. Kennedy. All before were PROTESTANTS, just like the early U.S. founders. The Catholic Church was first brought to the Americas by the Spaniards in St. Agustine, Fla., which was not then a U.S. colony.

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

theefaith said,
"One true church founded by Christ on Peter and the apostles and their successors to teach and sanctify all men unto eternal salvation!"[/QUOTE\]

Those who believe that Peter is a greater rock that Jesus, are completely in error on the scriptures.
The apostle Peter is not the rock the true church is founded on, Jesus Christ is the greater rock and the true church is founded on this greater rock.
The true church or true congregation is likened to a human body, because it has many members but only one head, just as a human body has. Ephesians 1:22,23 tell us that God made Christ "head over all the church, which is his body." This church is also compared to a virgin girl engaged to Christ, because as a group the members of the true church are to be closely united to Christ, as a wife is to her husband. 2 Corinthians 11:2
Jesus Christ made it clear that he himself is the foundation of the true church when he applied to himself the prophecy of Psalm 118:22 saying: "The stone that the builders rejected is the one that has become the chief cornerstone."(Matthew 21:42-44) The apostle Paul adds his testimony at Ephesians 2:19, 20 that Jesus is the foundation or chief cornerstone. The apostle Paul was very definite about this saying at 1Corinthians 3:11 that no foundation no man can lay, but that which is laid: which is Jesus Christ. I know that Catholics believe the apostle Peter to be the rock that the church is founded on. However it's interesting that Archbishop Kendrick, in the book An Inside View of the Vatican Council (1870), shows that of at least 86 early church "father's," only 17 believed that Peter was the rock the church was founded on.
Also consider Augustine(354-430 C.E.) who was usually referred to as Saint Augustine he at one time believed the church was founded on Peter but later in life he changed that view and instead believed that Jesus is the rock that the church is founded on.
What did Peter himself say on this subject, he stated at 1Peter 2:4-8, "To whom coming, as unto a living stone, disallowed indeed of men, but chosen of God, and precious,
Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.
Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded."
These scriptures show that Peter understood Jesus to be the "chief cornerstone," the "rock" on which the church is built. Peter is just one of the living stones that make up the true church but he isn't the "rock" that the true church is founded on.
It is true that Peter enjoyed fine privileges as an apostle of Christ, but nowhere does Peter indicate that he thought himself as the chief of the apostles, nor do we read anywhere in the scriptures that the other apostles recognized Peter as a "pope" and gave him such honor. There is only one head in the true Church, Jesus Christ and Jesus needs no successors because he's alive forever.(Hebrews 7:23-25)

 

[Nancy]

theefaith said,
"One true church founded by Christ on Peter and the apostles and their successors to teach and sanctify all men unto eternal salvation!"[/QUOTE\]

Those who believe that Peter is a greater rock that Jesus, are completely in error on the scriptures.
The apostle Peter is not the rock the true church is founded on, Jesus Christ is the greater rock and the true church is founded on this greater rock.
The true church or true congregation is likened to a human body, because it has many members but only one head, just as a human body has. Ephesians 1:22,23 tell us that God made Christ "head over all the church, which is his body." This church is also compared to a virgin girl engaged to Christ, because as a group the members of the true church are to be closely united to Christ, as a wife is to her husband. 2 Corinthians 11:2
Jesus Christ made it clear that he himself is the foundation of the true church when he applied to himself the prophecy of Psalm 118:22 saying: "The stone that the builders rejected is the one that has become the chief cornerstone."(Matthew 21:42-44) The apostle Paul adds his testimony at Ephesians 2:19, 20 that Jesus is the foundation or chief cornerstone. The apostle Paul was very definite about this saying at 1Corinthians 3:11 that no foundation no man can lay, but that which is laid: which is Jesus Christ. I know that Catholics believe the apostle Peter to be the rock that the church is founded on. However it's interesting that Archbishop Kendrick, in the book An Inside View of the Vatican Council (1870), shows that of at least 86 early church "father's," only 17 believed that Peter was the rock the church was founded on.
Also consider Augustine(354-430 C.E.) who was usually referred to as Saint Augustine he at one time believed the church was founded on Peter but later in life he changed that view and instead believed that Jesus is the rock that the church is founded on.
What did Peter himself say on this subject, he stated at 1Peter 2:4-8, "To whom coming, as unto a living stone, disallowed indeed of men, but chosen of God, and precious,
Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.
Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded."
These scriptures show that Peter understood Jesus to be the "chief cornerstone," the "rock" on which the church is built. Peter is just one of the living stones that make up the true church but he isn't the "rock" that the true church is founded on.
It is true that Peter enjoyed fine privileges as an apostle of Christ, but nowhere does Peter indicate that he thought himself as the chief of the apostles, nor do we read anywhere in the scriptures that the other apostles recognized Peter as a "pope" and gave him such honor. There is only one head in the true Church, Jesus Christ and Jesus needs no successors because he's alive forever.(Hebrews 7:23-25)

Even in architecture the cornerstone is the first laid.

"In relation to architecture, a cornerstone is traditionally the first stone laid for a structure, with all other stones laid in reference. A cornerstone marks the geographical location by orienting a building in a specific direction. " Architectural Cornerstones: The Meaning, History, and Intent — NewStudio Architecture

Sure seems Christ is THE Great Stone the Church was built on to me, not Peter.

 

[Zao is life]

The Protestant faith?

There is no such thing as Protestant faith!

Only one Gospel!
Only one faith! Eph 4:5 Jude 1:3
The deposit of faith revealed to the apostles by Christ in person not by the “Bible alone”!
One true church founded by Christ on Peter and the apostles and their successors to teach and sanctify all men unto eternal salvation!

Reformed church or theology: reformed faith?

Truth must be revealed by God, and in its fullness in the sacred deposit of faith by Christ to his church! Eph 4:5 Jude 1:3 and must be taught by the church, or proposed for our belief by the apostles!
Matt 28:19-20 Lk 1:4 Jn 20:21 acts 8:31 Rom 1:5 col 2:7 1 Tim 3:15
matt 18:17

Christ and His church are one! acts 9:4 Acts 5:32 Jn 15:1-5

Truth is immutable! Cannot change!

Truth and the church are divine!
They come from God and cannot be in error or imperfect so they cannot change or be reformed by man to say they can is blasphemy and treason against God who revealed them!

And same truths revealed by Christ and taught by the church are always believed and taught from the beginning when Christ taught his church in person! Jude 1:3 the faith once delivered to the saints or the deposit of faith eph 4:5 one faith!

Truth must be revealed by God thru Christ to His church (the apostles Jude 1:3) then must be proposed by the church, (Matt 28:19 gal 3:23) without error by the Holy Spirit! (Jn 16:13)

The evidence of true faith is humble subjection and obedience to Christ & His holy church!

The rule of faith for Christians is Jesus Christ Jn 14:6 and His church! Matt 18:17 acts 2:42 1 Tim 3:15

True Christians cannot listen to the errors of excommunicated heretics, but we listen faithfully to Christ, in the bosom of holy mother church, the only ark of salvation!
1 pet 3:20-21 matt 18:17 matt 16:18-19 matt 28:19-20 Jn 16:13 Jn 20:21-23

2 Thessalonians 1:8
In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:

The Protestant reformation:

They so called reformers had no authority, not one was an apostle!

They rejected the one true church, (and Christ who founded it) and started new churches!

The Bible does say authorize a reformation!

The holy church of Christ is eternal!
Lk 1:32-33

Christ and His church are one! (Acts 9:4 eph 5:32 Jn 15:1-5)

This Apostolic Church never turned from the way of truth nor held any kind of error. It is imperative that nothing of the truths which have been defined be lessened, nothing altered, nothing added, but that they be preserved intact in word and meaning. This is the true rule of faith. Pope Agatho

Matt 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost!

Jesus Christ. The only Ark of salvation. This is immutable!

The church is founded by Christ and is in Christ. This is immutable!

The body of Christ is the one true church This is immutable!:

Ephesians 4:3-6
"Endeavor to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace. There is one body and one Spirit, even as you are called in one hope of your calling, one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father of all, who is above all and through all and in you all."

1 Corinthians 12:13-14
"For by one Spirit we are all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether bond or free, even all were made to drink into one Spirit. For the body is not one member, but many."

Ephesians 2:18-22
"Through Him (Jesus) we both have access by one Spirit to the Father. Now therefore you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints, and of the household of God,

and are built upon the foundation of the apostles (plural) and prophets (plural), Jesus Christ Himself being the chief cornerstone, in whom every building having been fitly framed together, grows into a holy sanctuary in the Lord; in whom you also are built together for a dwelling place of God through the Spirit."

You'd think the names of "successors of the apostles" are in the 12 foundations of new Jerusalem! (Revelation 21).

But it's not the names of any "successors". It's the names of the apostles in the 12 foundations of New Jerusalem. .. and there are twelve foundations. Not "one foundation". Paul says those who say, I am of Peter are as carnal as those who say, "I am of Paul.

No mention of any church that does not exist in the Holy Spirit. No name given except the name of Jesus. No foundations mentioned except the one that was laid by the apostles who established the doctrine when they established the churches (plural), i.e their doctrine which would be cemented in the scriptures. The Holy Bible. And Jesus Christ is the cornerstone, and no other foundation can be laid except Christ.

There is no other authority.

But there is an "instead of" (anti) authority of Christ and of His apostles, twisting the words of Christ and His apostles - those who sow discord wherever they go by telling you to follow them and submit to them - not to Christ and His apostles and the doctrine of Christ and His apostles laid down in the scriptures. Telling you that "all other churches are wrong" and "we are the only true church, the only church that's right. The only church holding the truth. No salvation outside our church", while they twist the Word of God (the marks of a cult).

Ephesians 4:3-6
"Endeavor to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace. There is one body and one Spirit, even as you are called in one hope of your calling, one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father of all, who is above all and through all and in you all."

1 Corinthians 12:13-14
"For by one Spirit we are all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether bond or free, even all were made to drink into one Spirit. For the body is not one member, but many."

Ephesians 2:18-22
"Through Him (through Jesus) we both have access by one Spirit to the Father. Now therefore you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints, and of the household of God.

So though there are 100,000 churches +1 (the Roman and Catholic) church = 100,000,001 churches, there is only one church.

The one church exists in the holy Spirit and was born on the day of Pentecost, and will never die, because it exists in Jesus.

 

[Zao is life]

Those who believe that Peter is a greater rock that Jesus, are completely in error on the scriptures.
The apostle Peter is not the rock the true church is founded on, Jesus Christ is the greater rock and the true church is founded on this greater rock.

The true church or true congregation is likened to a human body, because it has many members but only one head, just as a human body has. Ephesians 1:22,23 tell us that God made Christ "head over all the church, which is his body." This church is also compared to a virgin girl engaged to Christ, because as a group the members of the true church are to be closely united to Christ, as a wife is to her husband. 2 Corinthians 11:2

Jesus Christ made it clear that he himself is the foundation of the true church when he applied to himself the prophecy of Psalm 118:22 saying: "The stone that the builders rejected is the one that has become the chief cornerstone."(Matthew 21:42-44)

The apostle Paul adds his testimony at Ephesians 2:19, 20 that Jesus is the foundation or chief cornerstone. The apostle Paul was very definite about this saying at 1Corinthians 3:11 that no foundation no man can lay, but that which is laid: which is Jesus Christ.

I know that Catholics believe the apostle Peter to be the rock that the church is founded on. However it's interesting that Archbishop Kendrick, in the book An Inside View of the Vatican Council (1870), shows that of at least 86 early church "father's," only 17 believed that Peter was the rock the church was founded on.

Also consider Augustine(354-430 C.E.) who was usually referred to as Saint Augustine he at one time believed the church was founded on Peter but later in life he changed that view and instead believed that Jesus is the rock that the church is founded on.

What did Peter himself say on this subject, he stated at 1Peter 2:4-8,

"To whom coming, as unto a living stone, disallowed indeed of men, but chosen of God, and precious, Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.
Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded."

These scriptures show that Peter understood Jesus to be the "chief cornerstone," the "rock" on which the church is built. Peter is just one of the living stones that make up the true church but he isn't the "rock" that the true church is founded on.

It is true that Peter enjoyed fine privileges as an apostle of Christ, but nowhere does Peter indicate that he thought himself as the chief of the apostles, nor do we read anywhere in the scriptures that the other apostles recognized Peter as a "pope" and gave him such honor.

There is only one head in the true Church, Jesus Christ and Jesus needs no successors because he's alive forever.(Hebrews 7:23-25)

Amen. Preach it brother.