The Rich Man and Lazarus- What Guilt is Laid on the Rich Man?

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Seeding Loving

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about the parable of the Rich Man and Lazarus

the rich man wanted Lazarus to come to the grave and quench or ease the burning of the grave where the rich was rotting and decaying.

a great chasm / breach was set or established so that living cannot communicate with nor contact the dead neither can the dead pass to us.

an - impassable place between the dead and the living
Jesus was making it clear " AS THE ENTIRE POINT " . . . . . . . - that - If someone would hear not even hear Moses nor the prophets, - neither will they be persuaded, even by someone whom had risen from the dead.

So how is the Catholic Mary or one of the Catholic Saints going to be able to persuade someone in this tormentous place once they are dead

Jesus was saying that it was impossible to persuade someone headed and destined and going to destruction who will not hear the word of God from the prophets and historical bible such as Moses and Abraham !

Yet Roman Catholics claim that Jesus was wrong and that people in this place can be saved by praying to a Saint !


similarly

Roman Catholics claim that Jesus later revealed to the Popes that there is another way to find salvation by ignoring Jesus and the New Testament and just have a Roman Catholic Saint pray for a sinners entrance into heaven.
 

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So how is the Catholic Mary or one of the Catholic Saints going to be able to persuade someone in this tormentous place once they are dead

Jesus was saying that it was impossible to persuade someone headed and destined and going to destruction who will not hear the word of God from the prophets and historical bible such as Moses and Abraham !

Yet Roman Catholics claim that Jesus was wrong and that people in this place can be saved by praying to a Saint !


similarly

Roman Catholics claim that Jesus later revealed to the Popes that there is another way to find salvation by ignoring Jesus and the New Testament and just have a Roman Catholic Saint pray for a sinners entrance into heaven.

Good point.

One the catholics cannot overcome as they continue to reject God's Word and instead seek extra biblical writings and beliefs
 

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The Catholic Faith System completely rejects all Old Testament religious customs and traditions -

it is only the Apocrypha that Catholicism incorporates and directly applies as " direct exact duplicated application "

Meaning = the very exact prescribed religious rite, ritual, ceremony, observance and custom found in the Apocrypha are directly transferred and copied over from the Apocrypha and applied specifically in the Catholic Church

…...the prayers for the dead
…...and even praying to the dead
…...and purgatory

these Apocrypha practices are not a part of Old Testament religious practice but are from the Apocrypha alone.....

just exactly as - praying for the dead, praying to the dead and purgatory are directly applied in the Apocrypha itself - just exactly as these religious applications are originally practiced in the Apocrypha itself, these same exact religious Apocrypha teachings and applications are copied and transferred directly into the Catholic Church.

this is a duplicated direct application - a mimicked of the original purpose - and applied specifically for the original purpose of
praying for the dead, applied specifically for the original purpose of praying to the dead
and applied specifically for the original purpose of purgatory

this is not the same for the Old Testament where the same practices are partly and similarly copied over into Catholicism - such as burning incense, pots and cups and vessels of gold and silver are used and even the eating of unleavened bread and also the wearing of robes and headwear and a wide variety and array of decorative plates, liturgical speech, linens, candles, censers and boxes and linens and altars
all of these other Old Testament religious rites, rituals, ceremonies, observance and custom such as unleavened bread are not applied in the same way and for the same exact purpose in their direct application and are not mimicked or applied specifically for the original purpose as prescribed in the Old Testament. .......Only the religious traditions and ceremony found in the Apocrypha are what the Catholic Church copies and transfers directly into the Catholic System to be applied as " ...: direct transference :"... in the same exact and precise way and for the same exact method and purpose as in their " : ORIGINAL DIRECT APPLICATION :" and - specifically for the original purpose as prescribed in the same exact way as performed in the Apocrypha.

Nothing from the Old Testament is incorporated into the Catholic Faith System and applied as direct application, applied specifically for the original purpose ……... : AN ORIGINAL DIRECT APPLICATION :" and - specifically for the original purpose as exactly in the Apocrypha.
 

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if there was a spiritual world and elements of reality that truly existed such as the story of Lazarus and the rich man, there is nothing from Bible nor Hebrew tradition that is signifying this as true and realistic.... Jesus applied parables and metaphors allegories and lessons as simple narratives featuring human characters —designed to teach a moral, religious principle, or practical lesson through comparison

Rome is taking this simply parable method that Jesus used and taking some from here and some from there, things that are not a part of the Bible, - as if Traditions of Paganism complete the Bible and as if Gods message in the Bible alone cannot complete, ......... the elements we see in the pagan, heathen world are what Catholicism demands God intends that we mimic, duplicate and apply and incorporate.
 
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