The salvation journey.

[Faither]

The salvation journey is a sort of process. It starts with the life, work and sacrifice Christ did while on earth, This is Grace. His work on Calvary cannot be imitated, added onto, or made better in any way.

Salvation is by Grace through Faith.
Salvation is by that free unmerited favor, "through a correct response" Faith.

So with this understanding that a completed work has been done, "FINISHED", how do we respond to that free gift?

This starts a process that i would like to go through step by step, from the very beginning. I'm not promoting steps or phases, those are the words I'm using to highlight each specific happening.

Here is the first thing we must agree on.
At the very start of the salvation journey, we are all in the same state of being. And that is we are born into this world and have been bought and paid for by the work of Jesus Christ on Calvary, This is Grace. At this beginning stage, although we are under Grace "we do not have the Spirit of Christ inside us yet."

Do you agree with this opening understanding?

This is basic a basic understanding, but want to establish a place of agreement by anyone who wants to discuss this honestly.

 

[Cassandra]

By Spirit of Christ, do you mean the Holy Spirit?

Or are you equating the Spirit of Christ with sanctification?

 

[Faither]

By Spirit of Christ, do you mean the Holy Spirit?

Or are you equating the Spirit of Christ with sanctification?

I understand the "Spirit of Christ" and the Holy Spirit to be the same.

 

[Faither]

By Spirit of Christ, do you mean the Holy Spirit?

Or are you equating the Spirit of Christ with sanctification?

At the start of the salvation journey, we all start without the Spirit of Christ sealed in us yet.

agree or disagree?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

The salvation journey is a sort of process. It starts with the life, work and sacrifice Christ did while on earth, This is Grace. His work on Calvary cannot be imitated, added onto, or made better in any way.

Salvation is by Grace through Faith.
Salvation is by that free unmerited favor, "through a correct response" Faith.

So with this understanding that a completed work has been done, "FINISHED", how do we respond to that free gift?

This starts a process that i would like to go through step by step, from the very beginning. I'm not promoting steps or phases, those are the words I'm using to highlight each specific happening.

Here is the first thing we must agree on.
At the very start of the salvation journey, we are all in the same state of being. And that is we are born into this world and have been bought and paid for by the work of Jesus Christ on Calvary, This is Grace. At this beginning stage, although we are under Grace "we do not have the Spirit of Christ inside us yet."

Do you agree with this opening understanding?

This is basic a basic understanding, but want to establish a place of agreement by anyone who wants to discuss this honestly.

I disagree

The world is not under grace, they are under pretty much law. While grace has paid for them to come under grace, God will not force it on anyone.

A non believer is in a condemned state (he who believes is not condemned, he who does not believe is condemned already
A non believer is dead in his or her sin
A non believer needs to be born again
A non believer must chose to receive the gift of salvation. or continue to live n unbelief, in essence, reject the gift of salvation and remain in a condemned state

People under grace are no longer in a condemned state. They have passed from death to life. they have been born again. They are saved by grace through faith

 

[Eternally Grateful]

At the start of the salvation journey, we all start without the Spirit of Christ sealed in us yet.

agree or disagree?

The moment one is saved, they are given the seal of the spirit as a pledge UNTIL the day of redemption

 

[Faither]

The moment one is saved, they are given the seal of the spirit as a pledge UNTIL the day of redemption

Sorry EG, Thats not the question.

 

[Faither]

The salvation journey is a sort of process. It starts with the life, work and sacrifice Christ did while on earth, This is Grace. His work on Calvary cannot be imitated, added onto, or made better in any way.

Salvation is by Grace through Faith.
Salvation is by that free unmerited favor, "through a correct response" Faith.

So with this understanding that a completed work has been done, "FINISHED", how do we respond to that free gift?

This starts a process that i would like to go through step by step, from the very beginning. I'm not promoting steps or phases, those are the words I'm using to highlight each specific happening.

Here is the first thing we must agree on.
At the very start of the salvation journey, we are all in the same state of being. And that is we are born into this world and have been bought and paid for by the work of Jesus Christ on Calvary, This is Grace. At this beginning stage, although we are under Grace "we do not have the Spirit of Christ inside us yet."

Do you agree with this opening understanding?

This is basic a basic understanding, but want to establish a place of agreement by anyone who wants to discuss this honestly.

I will give an opportunity for several people to respond.

 

[Faither]

I disagree

The world is not under grace, they are under pretty much law. While grace has paid for them to come under grace, God will not force it on anyone.

A non believer is in a condemned state (he who believes is not condemned, he who does not believe is condemned already
A non believer is dead in his or her sin
A non believer needs to be born again
A non believer must chose to receive the gift of salvation. or continue to live n unbelief, in essence, reject the gift of salvation and remain in a condemned state

People under grace are no longer in a condemned state. They have passed from death to life. they have been born again. They are saved by grace through faith

My point is we all start at a place where we are apart of the field Christ has purchased, but at this point, we haven't received the Spirit f Christ yet.

Try not to jump ahead.

 

[Faither]

By Spirit of Christ, do you mean the Holy Spirit?

Or are you equating the Spirit of Christ with sanctification?

Do you agree with this starting point?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Sorry EG, Thats not the question.

Sorry,

You stated that we begin salvation with the spirit of Christ sealed in us. I was just stating the factual statement of what that means

 

[Eternally Grateful]

My point is we all start at a place where we are apart of the field Christ has purchased, but at this point, we haven't received the Spirit f Christ yet.

Try not to jump ahead.

Not trying to jump ahead, Just trying to get the facts straight.

You said we begin under a state of grace before we are saved, that's not true.

We are under a state of condemnation before we are saved. If we do not get this right. we may mess up the rest of the salvation process.

 

[Cassandra]

My point is we all start at a place where we are apart of the field Christ has purchased, but at this point, we haven't received the Spirit f Christ yet.

Try not to jump ahead.

Evidently, you think not.
I want to watch the thread unfold. I don't know where you are going with this unless you are going to speak of baptism.
Or something else.

 

[Faither]

Not trying to jump ahead, Just trying to get the facts straight.

You said we begin under a state of grace before we are saved, that's not true.

We are under a state of condemnation before we are saved. If we do not get this right. we may mess up the rest of the salvation process.

Your misrepresenting what I've said. I'm going to put you on ignore for this thread, sorry EG.

 

[Faither]

Evidently, you think not.
I want to watch the thread unfold. I don't know where you are going with this unless you are going to speak of baptism.
Or something else.

Ok Cassandra, thanks for an honest reply.

I'm hoping Ernest chimes in.

 

[Cassandra]

Your misrepresenting what I've said. I'm going to put you on ignore for this thread, sorry EG.

Why are ya doing that to EG ? If it is not the right answer, then it is no answer? Are we supposed to puppet something back? Are you asking for discussion, or is this a lecture?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Your misrepresenting what I've said. I'm going to put you on ignore for this thread, sorry EG.

Then you can correct me and show me how I misrepresented what you said. You used the word spirit and seal. What other seal could you be talking about?

I was actually saying it to help you and show you what the word says

To just put me on ignore is rude.

if that's the way your gonna be I hope everyone puts this thread on ignore. Because it shows your not open.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Why are ya doing that to EG ? If it is not the right answer, then it is no answer? Are we supposed to puppet something back? Are you asking for discussion, or is this a lecture?

If I misunderstood him he could have corrected me or showed me how I misunderstood him.

That's what discussions do. we discuss back and forth.

 

[Faither]

Why are ya doing that to EG ? If it is not the right answer, then it is no answer? Are we supposed to puppet something back? Are you asking for discussion, or is this a lecture?

I'm looking for an honest discussion.

 

[Faither]

The salvation journey is a sort of process. It starts with the life, work and sacrifice Christ did while on earth, This is Grace. His work on Calvary cannot be imitated, added onto, or made better in any way.

Salvation is by Grace through Faith.
Salvation is by that free unmerited favor, "through a correct response" Faith.

So with this understanding that a completed work has been done, "FINISHED", how do we respond to that free gift?

This starts a process that i would like to go through step by step, from the very beginning. I'm not promoting steps or phases, those are the words I'm using to highlight each specific happening.

Here is the first thing we must agree on.
At the very start of the salvation journey, we are all in the same state of being. And that is we are born into this world and have been bought and paid for by the work of Jesus Christ on Calvary, This is Grace. At this beginning stage, although we are under Grace "we do not have the Spirit of Christ inside us yet."

Do you agree with this opening understanding?

This is basic a basic understanding, but want to establish a place of agreement by anyone who wants to discuss this honestly.

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