The seed of Israel

[robert derrick]

In the LORD shall all the seed of Israel be justified, and shall glory. (Is 45:45)

All the seed of Israel in the Lord are justified with Him. All that are justified with the Lord are in Him and are seed of Israel.

All the seed of Israel are children of the God of Israel. All born of the God of Israel are the seed and children of the Israel of God.

There is no seed of Israel not born the children of the God of Israel, and are neither in Him nor justified with Him.

All Israel of God is now saved, because all that are of Israel are Israel. No more is there any of Israel that are not Israel, because all of Israel are born of the seed of the God of Israel: the Redeemer out of Sion has come, and the prophecy of His coming is fulfilled.

Unless,
The children of the God of Israel are not children of Israel.
The children of God of Israel born of His seed, are not the seed of Israel.
The holy olive tree of the God of Israel is not the Israel of God, or not all grafted into the olive tree of God are come in to the Israel of God.

 

[kcnalp]

Guess where Jesus will return. Israel!

Zechariah 14:1-4 (NKJV)
1 Behold, the day of the LORD is coming, ...
2 For I will gather all the nations to battle against Jerusalem ...
3 Then the LORD will go forth And fight against those nations, As He fights in the day of battle.
4 And in that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, Which faces Jerusalem on the east.

 

[robert derrick]

Guess where Jesus will return. Israel!

Zechariah 14:1-4 (NKJV)
1 Behold, the day of the LORD is coming, ...
2 For I will gather all the nations to battle against Jerusalem ...
3 Then the LORD will go forth And fight against those nations, As He fights in the day of battle.
4 And in that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, Which faces Jerusalem on the east.

Great post! You are able to copy and paste!

And in that day it will be His Israel and His Jerusalem.

Not the nation that is called Israel, nor the Jerusalem that is in bondage with it.

The children of Hagar have nothing to do with the promise of the God of Israel.

I'm thinking the traditional interpretation of prophecy is unthinking copy and past.

 

[kcnalp]

Great post! You are able to copy and paste!

And in that day it will be His Israel and His Jerusalem.

Not the nation that is called Israel, nor the Jerusalem that is in bondage with it.

The children of Hagar have nothing to do with the promise of the God of Israel.

I'm thinking the traditional interpretation of prophecy is unthinking copy and past.

Your imaginary Israel doesn't take the place of Israel. Get a map.

 

[robert derrick]

Guess where Jesus will return. Israel!

Zechariah 14:1-4 (NKJV)
1 Behold, the day of the LORD is coming, ...
2 For I will gather all the nations to battle against Jerusalem ...
3 Then the LORD will go forth And fight against those nations, As He fights in the day of battle.
4 And in that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, Which faces Jerusalem on the east.

Today it is called Israel, but in name only.

When the risen God of Israel stands on Mt Olivet, it will be His Israel indeed.

 

[robert derrick]

Your imaginary Israel doesn't take the place of Israel. Get a map.

You have a map of earth. I have Scripture of God.

Your map doesn't nullify His scripture.

Even as your responds doesn't say anything.

 

[marks]

All the seed of Israel in the Lord are justified with Him. All that are justified with the Lord are in Him and are seed of Israel.

That's not good logic.

All the blue candies are M&M's, so all the M&M's are blue. It doesn't work that way.

All the seed of Israel in the Lord are justified in Him. And all that are not the seed of Israel are also justified in Him.

Much love!

 

[marks]

Guess where Jesus will return. Israel!

Zechariah 14:1-4 (NKJV)
1 Behold, the day of the LORD is coming, ...
2 For I will gather all the nations to battle against Jerusalem ...
3 Then the LORD will go forth And fight against those nations, As He fights in the day of battle.
4 And in that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, Which faces Jerusalem on the east.

And whom shall He save? The children of Jacob.

Much love!

 

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Not the nation that is called Israel, nor the Jerusalem that is in bondage with it.

The children of Hagar have nothing to do with the promise of the God of Israel.

This isn't about who they are, it's about what covenant they are trying to be in. That's the context.

Much love!

 

[Enoch111]

All Israel of God is now saved, because all that are of Israel are Israel. No more is there any of Israel that are not Israel, because all of Israel are born of the seed of the God of Israel: the Redeemer out of Sion has come, and the prophecy of His coming is fulfilled.

You seem to be quite confused about this subject. "The seed of Israel" (which was the new name of Jacob) are the descendants of Jacob/Israel, which are the twelve tribes of Israel. There will come a time when those who are within those twelve tribes will be redeemed, and the land of Israel will be restored and given to them. Kindly study the prophecy of Ezekiel, and related prophecies.

 

[robert derrick]

This isn't about who they are, it's about what covenant they are trying to be in. That's the context.

Much love!

And that is the covenant they are trying to be in: the old first covenant made from the mount in Arabia, which now is Hagar.

They are trying to keep that covenant still, which they still say is God's covenant form the mount, by trying to keep the law of that covenant called that of Moses. With the vail of Moses over their hearts, all they see is an old and vanished covenant and done away law.

It is called the Jews Religion, and is that of bondage in earthly Jerusalem.

They that abide still in unbelief, are still cut off from the seed of promise of Abraham by Isaac. They are now counted for the seed of bondage as Ishmael.

Because they are trying to keep a covenant God, which he now identifies with Hagar.

The people of that covenant are the children of bondage.

 

[marks]

It is called the Jews Religion, and is that of bondage in earthly Jerusalem.

But this isn't of who they are, rather, what they do. You seem to be using "what they do" to define "who they are". They pursue a covenant that is not intended to be pursued in this time. But that doesn't mean they are not God's Chosen Nation.

Much love!

 

[robert derrick]

You seem to be quite confused about this subject. "The seed of Israel" (which was the new name of Jacob) are the descendants of Jacob/Israel, which are the twelve tribes of Israel. There will come a time when those who are within those twelve tribes will be redeemed, and the land of Israel will be restored and given to them. Kindly study the prophecy of Ezekiel, and related prophecies.

In the LORD shall all the seed of Israel be justified, and shall glory. (Is 45:45)

Who are the justified in the Lord? His body. Who glory in the Lord? His body.

All the seed of Israel to be justified in the Lord and glory in Him are His body.

Any Israel after the flesh, is Israel in name only. And any seed of Israel after born of flesh, that is not seed of Abraham as Isaac, are seed in name only.

which are the twelve tribes of Israel.

The 12 tribes of Israel in Rev 7 are not the 12 tribes born of Jacob by flesh and written in stones upon Aaron's breastplate.

Dan is not one of them in Rev 7, and so none of the children born of flesh are there, except the Scripture be broken.

the prophecy of Ezekiel

That prophecy can only be fulfilled, if during His reign on earth, Christ revives the old covenant and law of outward circumcision and sacrifices of blood of bulls and goats for sins.

I'm not saying He won't nor can't, but that is what must first happen.

The sacrifices are not in remembrance of the cross 'looking back' to His crucifixion, but are for the sins of the people yet to be forgiven: the blood of bulls and goats once again shed for sins of the people.

And so, unless and until that times comes, the only children of promise of Israel of God are them grafted into Israel and are justified in Him and give Him glory for it.

 

[robert derrick]

But this isn't of who they are, rather, what they do. You seem to be using "what they do" to define "who they are". They pursue a covenant that is not intended to be pursued in this time. But that doesn't mean they are not God's Chosen Nation.

Much love!

"what they do" to define "who they are".

Which of course is Scriptural teaching of Jesus: For every tree is known by his own fruit.

Jesus prophesied that the green olive tree of God would be known only by it's fruit, and no more claimed by it's birth of flesh and outward circumcision.

God's Chosen Nation.

But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people.

This was the original promise made to the physical seed in Gen 19, who utterly rejected it at the cross.

Uncircumcised unbelievers are not God's chosen nation. Only them circumcised in the spirit inwardly are the chosen nation of Israel of God in natural bodies.

The only way a physical seed with outward circumcision will ever be in covenant with God again, is if the Risen God of Israel revives the first covenant and law of Moses with sacrifices of bulls and of goats for the sins of the people.

Meanwhile, them that were a people are not a people, and them that were not a people are the people of God.

And them that are not a people, that die in their sins of unbelief, will never be a people of God.

 

[robert derrick]

And whom shall He save? The children of Jacob.

Much love!

And who is saved? The children of Israel by faith of Abraham.

Who is not saved? the children of Jacob after the flesh.

Neither shall they ever be saved in unbelief, no more than any other uncircumcised people on earth.

Neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh

 

[robert derrick]

That's not good logic.

All the blue candies are M&M's, so all the M&M's are blue. It doesn't work that way.

All the seed of Israel in the Lord are justified in Him. And all that are not the seed of Israel are also justified in Him.

Much love!

It's a good effort, and I see your point, however:

All blue candies were M&Ms, but not all blue candies are now M&Ms.

For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel.

All the blue candies of Israel after the flesh are not Israel: There are in fact by Scripture some of Israel after the flesh, that are not Israel.

If not Israel, then not children of Israel.

All the seed of Israel in the Lord are justified in Him. And all that are not the seed of Israel are also justified in Him.

That is good logic for them grafted in and them grafted in again: Them that are Israel after the flesh, them that are not Israel after the flesh.

But, Israel after the flesh is in name only, and are not the seed of Israel of promise:

Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

How can one be counted for the seed of Abraham and not the seed of Israel? That would be Ishmael.

How can them that are not counted for the of Abraham be the seed of Israel? Is not Israel the seed of Abraham.

There is the Israel of God, and there is the Israel after the flesh in name only.

Not all them that are Israel after the flesh are Israel, but all them that are grafted into Israel are Israel.

And all the children of Israel are Israel.

 

[marks]

Which of course is Scriptural teaching of Jesus: For every tree is known by his own fruit.

And yet when Israel left God, into their whoredoms, God even divorced Israel, but promised to remarry Her. And this was well before Jesus came "to the lost sheep of Israel", and NOT to the gentiles.

Much love!

 

[marks]

Who is not saved? the children of Jacob after the flesh.

I don't say they were all saved now.

Perhaps revisit my post?

Much love!

 

[marks]

This was the original promise made to the physical seed in Gen 19, who utterly rejected it at the cross.

I cannot understand how others don't see what I see in this passage, that there is literally nothing Israel could do so that God would cast them away from Himself.

Jeremiah 31:35-37 KJV
35) Thus saith the LORD, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The LORD of hosts is his name:
36) If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the LORD, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.
37) Thus saith the LORD; If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the LORD.

So long as the sun and moon and stars are following God's ordinance for them, then Israel will remain a nation before God. If you can measure heaven above, and find the foundations of the earth below, God will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all their bad behavior.

The sun is shining right now, I remember looking at the moon and some stars last night, so by faith in God I know Israel remains a nation before Him today. And no one has taken a tape measure to the sky, so I know God has not cast off all the seed of Israel because all the things they've done.

Much love!

 

[marks]

For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel.

You are here trying to sneak in another equivalency.

There are two uses for "Israel", one being an ethnic group of people, and the other being those who are believing from among that ethnic group. Both uses can be easily demonstrated.

That one group is affirmed to be saved, and the "true Israel" does not negate the existence of the other group, ethnic Israel. And to ethnic Israel God made a number of promises which He will keep, in ironclad language that on it's face denies the possiblity that Israel would do something, even to crucify their Christ, so that God would cast them all away.

Much love!