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The Sons Of God: The Lineage Of Godly Men

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  1. Pariah

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    By His grace, the subject of the sons of God being of the lineage of godly men shall be addressed so as to ward off any false teachings regarding the angels (fallen or otherwise) mingling with the daughters of men. May God cause the increase.Luke 3:38 Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.This is the reference as to why the Old Testament was written in such a way to validate that the people of Israel were of the lineage of God's chosen people. The sons of God holds no other significance to the people of Israel other than of being of the godly lineage. Genesis 3:20 And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.This is a reference to all the living.. before and after the Flood were related to Eve.Malachi 2:10 Have we not all one father? hath not one God created us? why do we deal treacherously every man against his brother, by profaning the covenant of our fathers?This is the reference that Adam is the father of mankind as all of man were related to him before and after the Flood.1 Peter 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.This is the reference that proves there were no other "races" or other "mankind" on that ark except Noah and his family. Only eight souls were saved.Acts 17:26 And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;This is the reference that proves no intermingling by angels or fallen angels has occurred before or after the Flood.God created marriage to be between a man and a woman. He would not unite an angel let alone a fallen angel in marriage and yet the sons of God saw the daughters of men as desireable and took them to be their wives so the sons of God had to be of the lineage of godly men. Offsprings were still men as God ordained and set the parameters in creation for kind to reproduce after their own kind. Man cannot mingle with animals just as angels cannot mingle with women.1 Corinthians 15:38But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body. 39All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds. 40There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another. This is the reference that there is no way a celestial body can mingle with the terrestrial when verse 38 declares that no flesh that is not the same cannot reproduce. Matthew 22:29Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God. 30For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.This is the reference in seeing how as sons of God were taking the daughters of men as wives, they could not have been angels or even fallen angels. If the sons of God were angels, how can that be if they left their "first estate" to take wives as being united by God in doing so and yet that would mean they were fallen, and thus hardly being called the sons of God any more. The first estate reference in Jude is to their home in Heaven, and not to be confused with sexual sins being mentioned as being committed by the rebellious. If any wisdom is to be given by the Lord in this matter, then consider how sexual sins risks our inheritance in the Kingdom of God as comparable to the angels having left their first estate due to siding with Lucifer which has nothing to do with them committing sexual sins as it would be for us that can side with the flesh which involves alot more than just sexual sins in risking our inheritance in Heaven.Galatians 5: 16This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. 17For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. 18But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law. 19Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, 21Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. 22But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, 23Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. 24And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts. 25If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.1 Corinthians 5: 9I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators: 10Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world. 11But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolator, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat. 12For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within? 13But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.1 Corinthians 6: 8Nay, ye do wrong, and defraud, and that your brethren. 9Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. 11And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God. 12All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any. 2 Timothy 2:19Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity. 20But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour. 21If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work.So as we see how God looks down on sexual sins, He would not unite the sons of God with the daaghters of men if the sons of God were angels.Job 1: 1There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was perfect and upright, and one that feared God, and eschewed evil. 2And there were born unto him seven sons and three daughters. 3His substance also was seven thousand sheep, and three thousand camels, and five hundred yoke of oxen, and five hundred she asses, and a very great household; so that this man was the greatest of all the men of the east. 4And his sons went and feasted in their houses, every one his day; and sent and called for their three sisters to eat and to drink with them. 5And it was so, when the days of their feasting were gone about, that Job sent and sanctified them, and rose up early in the morning, and offered burnt offerings according to the number of them all: for Job said, It may be that my sons have sinned, and cursed God in their hearts. Thus did Job continually. 6Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them. 7And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it. 8And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil? Job 2:1Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD. 2And the LORD said unto Satan, From whence comest thou? And Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it. 3And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil? and still he holdeth fast his integrity, although thou movedst me against him, to destroy him without cause. These references is to point out that Job was of the sons of God and as the sons of God presented themselves to the Lord, the Lord referenced Job from among them. There would be no point in referencing Job if he was not among the sons of God presenting themselves to the Lord. How did Job presented himself? Verse 1:8 2:3 declares how he did.How are we to present ourselves?1 Corinthians 6:18Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body. 19What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? 20For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.2 Corinthians 6: 14Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? 15And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? 16And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. 17Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you. 18And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.Galatians 3:14That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith....26For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.This is why the lost books of Enoch were dropped and why the Serpent Seed doctrine is a false teaching. Angels cannot mingle with women, and there was no need for another race in the earth other than Adam's because of sin inheritted by Adam so Satan did not mingle with Eve as if being cursed to do so to produce this "seed" of Cain as if implying Cain came as result of the union between Satan and Eve when the Bible declares this otherwise below.Genesis 4:And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.Sin seperated us from God and thus by the seed of Christ, we are reconciled.Romans 5:8But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. 9Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him. 10For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life. 11And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement. 12Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: 13(For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law. 14Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come. 15But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many. 16And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification. 17For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.) 18Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life. 19For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous. 20Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound: 21That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.So if anyone thinks they are of the seed of Cain, think again. You can be reconciled to God through Jesus Christ the Lord for He is able.I hope the Lord may cause the increase as I apply my faith in correcting out of season by His grace in the hopes He may recover some from going after fables when the Word of God plainly says "no".2 Timothy 4:1I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom; 2Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine. 3For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; 4And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. 5But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry. 6For I am now ready to be offered, and the time of my departure is at hand. 7I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith: 8Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing.
     
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    The sons of God are the fallen Angels that left their first habitat and mated with the daughters of men as Gen 6 says this is scripture for those who understand past lies of men ... It was the reason for the flood ...their was a second influx .. The offspring of this union were giants as again we are told in Gen6 do not fall for those lies of men who try to mislead you that these were the sons of Seth and attempt to change Gods Word. Gen 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare [children] to them, the same [became] mighty men which [were] of old, men of renown. Num 13:33 And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, [which come] of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight. Deu 2:11 Which also were accounted giants, as the Anakims; but the Moabites call them Emims. Deu 2:20 (That also was accounted a land of giants: giants dwelt therein in old time; and the Ammonites call them Zamzummims; Deu 3:11 For only Og king of Bashan remained of the remnant of giants; behold, his bedstead [was] a bedstead of iron; [is] it not in Rabbath of the children of Ammon? nine cubits [was] the length thereof, and four cubits the breadth of it, after the cubit of a man. Deu 3:13 And the rest of Gilead, and all Bashan, [being] the kingdom of Og, gave I unto the half tribe of Manasseh; all the region of Argob, with all Bashan, which was called the land of giants. Jos 12:4 And the coast of Og king of Bashan, [which was] of the remnant of the giants, that dwelt at Ashtaroth and at Edrei, Jos 13:12 All the kingdom of Og in Bashan, which reigned in Ashtaroth and in Edrei, who remained of the remnant of the giants: for these did Moses smite, and cast them out. Jos 15:8 And the border went up by the valley of the son of Hinnom unto the south side of the Jebusite; the same [is] Jerusalem: and the border went up to the top of the mountain that [lieth] before the valley of Hinnom westward, which [is] at the end of the valley of the giants northward: Jos 17:15 And Joshua answered them, If thou [be] a great people, [then] get thee up to the wood [country], and cut down for thyself there in the land of the Perizzites and of the giants, if mount Ephraim be too narrow for thee. Jos 18:16 And the border came down to the end of the mountain that [lieth] before the valley of the son of Hinnom, [and] which [is] in the valley of the giants on the north, and descended to the valley of Hinnom, to the side of Jebusi on the south, and descended to Enrogel,
     
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    And from the COMPANION BIBLE INDEX Appendixes To The Companion Bible "The Sons of GOD" in Genesis 6:2,4. This Is Appendix 23 From The Companion Bible. It is only by the Divine specific act of creation that any created being can be called "a son of God". For that which is "born of the flesh is flesh". God is spirit, and that which is "born of the Spirit is spirit" (John 3:6). Hence Adam is called a "son of God" in Luke 3:38. Those "in Christ" having "the new nature" which is by the direct creation of God (2 Corinthians 5:17. Ehpesians 2:10) can be, and are called "sons of God" (John 1:13. Romans 8:14,15. 1John 3:1).1 This why angels are called "sons of God" in every other place where the exp​ression is used in the Old Testament. Job 1:6; 2:1; 38:7. Psalms 29:1; 89:6. Daniel 3:25. (no article). 2 We have no authority or right to take the exp​ression in Genesis 6:2,4 in any other sense. Moreover, in Genesis 6:2 the Septuagint renders it "angels". Angels are called "spirits" (Psalm 104:4. Hebrews 1:7,14), for spirits are created by God. That there was a fall of the angels is certain from Jude 6. The nature of their fall is clearly stated in the same verse. They left their own (oiketerion). This word occurs only in 2Corinthians 5:2. Jude 6, where it is used of the spiritual (or resurrection) body. The nature of their sin is stated to be "in like manner" to that of the subsequent sins of Sodom and Gomorrha, Jude 7. The time of their fall is given as having taken place "in the days of Noah" (1Peter 3:20. 2Peter 2:7), though there may have been a prior fall which caused the end of "the world that then was" (Genesis 1:1,2. 2Peter 3:6). For this sin they are "reserved unto judgement", 2Peter 2:4, and are "in prison", 1Peter 3:19. Their progeny, called Nephilim (translated "giants"), were monsters of iniquity; and being superhuman in size and character, had to be destroyed (see Appendix 25).This was the one and only object of the Flood. Only Noah and his family had preserved their pedigree pure from Adam (Genesis 6:9 see note on Genesis 6:9). All the rest had become "corrupt" (shachath) destroyed [as Adamites]. The only remedy was to destroy it (defacto), as it had become destroyed (de jure). (It is the same word in verse 17 as in verses 11,12.) See futher under Appendix 25 on the Nephilim. This irruption of fallen angels was Satan's first attempt to prevent the coming of the Seed of the woman foretold in Genesis 3:15. If this could be accomplished, God's Word would have failed, and his own doom would be averted. As soon as it was made known that the Seed of the woman was to come through ABRAHAM, there must have been another irruption, as recorded in Genesis 6:4, "and also after that" (that is to say, after the days of Noah, more than 500 years after the first irruption). The aim of the enemy was to occupy Canaan in advance of Abraham, and so to contest its occupation by his seed. For, when Abraham entered Canaan, we read (Genesis 12:6) "the Canaanite was then (that is to say, already) in the land." In the same chapter (Genesis 12:10-20) we see Satan's next attempt to interfere with Abraham's seed, and frustrate the purpose of God that it should be in "Isaac". This attempt was repeated in 20:1-18. This great conflict may be seen throughout the Bible, and it forms a great and important subject of Biblical study. In each case the human instrument had his own personal interest to serve, while Satan had his own great object in view. Hence God had, in each case, to interfere and avert the evil and the danger, of which His servants and people were wholly ignorant. The following assaults of the great Enemy stand out prominently:- The destruction of the chosen family by famine, Genesis 50:20. The destruction of the male line in Israel, Exodus 1:10,15, etc. Compare to Exodus 2:5. Hebrews 11:23. The destruction of the whole nation in Pharaoh's pursuit, Exodus 14. After David's line was singled out (2Samuel 7), that was the next selected for assault. Satan's first assault was in the union of Jehoram and Athaliah by Jehoshaphat, notwithstanding 2Chronicles 17:1. Jehoram killed off all his brothers (2Chronicles 21:4). The Arabians slew all his children, except Ahaziah (2Chronicles 21:17; 22:1). When Ahaziah died, Athaliah killed "all the seed royal" (2Chronilces 22:10). The babe Joash alone was rescued; and, for six years, the faithfulness of Jehovah's word was at stake (2Chronicles 23:3). Hezekiah was childless, when a double assault was made by the King of Assyria and the King of Terrors (Isaiah 36:1; 38:1). God's faithfulness was appealed to and relied on (Psalm 136). In Captivity, Haman was used to attempt the destruction of the whole nation (Esther 3:6,12,13. Compare 6:1). Joseph's fear was worked on (Matthew 1:18-20). Notwithstanding the fact that he was "a just man", and kept the Law, he did not wish to have Mary stoned to death (Deuteronomy 24:1); hence Joseph determined to divorce her. But God intervened: "Fear not". Herod sought the young Child's life (Matthew 2). At the Temptation, "Cast Thyself down" was Satan's temptation. At Nazareth, again (Luke 4), there was another attempt to cast Him down and destroy Him. The two storms on the Lake were other attempts. At length the cross was reached, and the sepulchre closed; the watch set; and the stone sealed. But "God raised Him from the dead." And now, like another Joash, He is seated and expecting (Hebrews 10:12,13), hidden in the house of God on high; and the members of "the one body" are hidden there "in Him" (Colossians 3:1-3), like another Jehoshaba; and going forth to witness of His coming, like another Jehoiada (2Chronicles 23:3). The irruption of "the fallen angels" ("sons of God") was the first attempt; and was directed against the whole human race. When Abraham was called, then he and his seed were attacked. When David was enthroned, then the royal line was assailed. And when "the Seed of the woman" Himself came, then the storm burst upon Him. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- NOTES 1 The word "offspring" in Acts 17:28 is quite different. It is (genos), which means merely kin or kind, our genus as being originated by God. 2 In Hosea 1:10, it is not beni-ha-Elohim, as here, but beni-el-chai.
     
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    Here is the subject plainly talked about in scriptures about angels being able to mingle with mankind.Matthew 22: 29Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God. 30For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.Do you believe Jesus or not?1 Corinthians 15: 36Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die: 37And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain: 38But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body. 39All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds. 40There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.Seen any fossilized bones of fallen angels? It is because they are celestial: a different body. The bodies they are in cannot die. Terrestrial bodies can. As all flesh is not the same flesh, and to every seed his own body, then the celestial which are not marrying nor given in marriage, and neither are there any seeds after their own kind as a celestial being, even in a fallen state, cannot reproduce between mankind any more than mankind can reproduce with animals. Why? Because God has ordained it.Too much credence has been given to Satan and his fallen angels as interfering in God's plan in creation. For all the bravado, Satan cannot do anything unless God permits it.If Jesus said that angels are not marrying nor given in marriage, then by the union God gives in marriage, the sons of God cannot be angels for them to be able to take the daughters of men as "wives" to be called "wives". Do you really think God is ordaining same sex union even though some sinner is joining them? In God's eyes, they are still not married. Then neither are angels created to not be marrying nor given in marriage would be taking wives as joined to be one flesh by God being how they are not the same flesh. Certainly be not of truth to still call them the sons of God if they be fallen agnels to "take wives" unto themselves and thus why would God join them?Since all life from the womb is of the Lord as children are a heritage from the Lord, nothing can be created outside of Him.No matter how you look at it, there are mounting contradictions in pursuing this "fable". What is plainly written in scriptures reproves this fable as a false teaching.
    You say you respect my view and yet do not appreciate calling your view as false teachings, but yet from your own quotes, you are saying the same thing in regards to the topic.Respect goes both ways, doesn't it? You say my view is a lie, then by the Word of God, I have proven your view is a lie while you only see what you think you see, ignoring what is plainly written to reprove this fable.If no lie is of the truth, then it is obvious that you are the one that needs to take pause and bring this "matter" to the Lord Jesus Christ.I testify that at one time, I had believed in the mingling of fallen angels with men. I was going to wriet a novel on it, but the Lord Jesus told me that He did not want me to serve other gods.Another time, God warned me about being confronted with apostasy of the "holy laughter" movement. I had read something from the Daily Bread or the Upper Room signifying a simple decision: Decide this day Whom you will serve, the Lord Jesus Christ or something else in His name. I said Him of course, but the urgency of the matter was impressed upon me and so I prayed.. "Please help me to do this.." and the urgency left as the peace of God was restored. Sure enough... I almost fell for this "holy laughter" movement as I thank Him for reproving it while I was there as it was happening at my Aunt's community church.So the point is... are you serving the Lord Jesus Christ... or something else in His name? Those that are in the holy laughter movement would say that they are serving Jesus even though the name of the "holy laughter" movement is the hype or the preaching of the coming of the Holy Spirit again on the believers which is contrary to the Gospel of Christ... so look at what you are preaching with Jesus' help... does this really serve Him or does it exalts the First Earth Age or you seemingly having knowledge of it?I have not seen anything out of the Serpent Seed doctrine nor out of the First Earth Age that does anything but sows confusion, taking away the Word of God that Adam knew Eve and gave birth to Cain debunking the whole thing of the Serpent Seed plainly and King James has the earth in the beginning without form first ... and then mentioning void.. meaning empty as celestial do not have seeds as terrestrial does for celestial are not marrying nor given in marriage plainly in the Word of God. I dare say.. for all the bravado about the lies of man, the Word of God plainly puts those fables of the Serpent Seed and the First Earth Age as the lies of man along with Greek gods and Norse gods mingling with mankind.May God cause the increase and deliver you from this labouring in unbelief of favouring fables over what is plainly written in the scriptures as debunking it as well as the evolution theory.
     
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    With all due respect, once a soul is created by God, they are sons of God forever, whether you like it or not. Souls are not made of flesh. Souls are made of spirit. Did not God created Satan? Or did Satan exist out of nothingness? I find it astounding that you continue in your flesh reaction to try to disprove a reality of what God, Christ, His prophet Jeremiah, Isaiah, And His Apostle Peter. I find it astounding that you continue in your flesh reaction to judge one by what God gave His children wisdom. With all due respect, the only person I see confusion is you. The only confusion created is was by your misjudging. Again, you are free to believe whatever you want, but don't ever chastise His children that loves Him and His Words. Your views are just opinions and opinions can't be a fact without prove. All I see is Babbel from you.Suit yourself... trusting a translation. Those who truly loves God and His Words does not trust a translation, but rather only by God. A translation does not give wisdom. Only God does. Men can't give wisdom, only God can.
     
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    And yet you feel free to chasten the other side of the view as a lie of man, but the Bible proves otherwise.Acts 17:26 And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;One blood. Not two blood. Satan did not lie with Eve to produce Cain. Angels did not lie with mankind. Those are the bounds of their habitation.Genesis 4: 1And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.This is the refuting of all Serpent Seed doctrine and angels being the sons of God by the Word of God. You keep speaking of souls and yet you keep flipflipping over as if they are able to become terrestrial and bear seed as if they became flesh. All life from the womb is from the Lord as Eve has declared Cain as a man from the Lord.You guys are making our greatest grandmother an adulterous and a liar. You really want to continue this false teaching when you get to Heaven? If no lie is of the truth, you will not be bringing those lies to Heaven.You guys are having the itching ears for fables and you do not even see that at all. That is astounding. May God correct you of your error before He appears.
     
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    Grandmother? I have no idea who you are talking about "Grandmother". To be honest, you are basing your view against the serpent seed off of one misinterpreted scripture... do you have more than one witness? God doesn't work with one witness. He does not leave us a single scripture then move on a completely different subject. In fact, our Father is so loving that He wanted us to know the Truth by repeating things over and over.As far as "angels" are bound of their habitation.Jude 1:6 - And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.These are the fallen angels that impregnated flesh woman. Rebel against our God, to create a bloodline, which you don't believe anyway. Again, do you have more than one witness other that Genesis 4:1. I got more than one witness. Back to back...With all due respect, you seem to be prideful. In no ways stopping trying to chastise who love God over men!
     
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    I will only comment this one, as far the others, I, no more will be going to throw pearl unto swine. As far Eve being "our greatest grandmother", She listened to Satan over God. So no reason to be my greatest grandmother as she cause her husband to sin with her. And besides, there were other people before Adam and Eve. (Genesis 1:26,27,28,31)As far the other post, you get mad every time God's Words counter you view. It really shows you lack of understanding His words... but I am done arguing with ravening wolves.
     
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    I forgive you for calling me one of those ravening wolves.Well.. to all that read this:Usually when one resorts to name calling, they are the ones getting mad.As it is, God is not ignorant to curse someone to commit adultery, to practically do away with the first marriage. Is that not cause for a divorce? And yet.... some believers are reading too much into the text for the purpose of proving this pet fable of the Serpent Seed doctrine as being true when the Word of God plainly states way after that curse, that Adam knew Eve, she conceived THEN and gave birth to Cain.Just like Jesus said that angels are not marrying nor given in marriage so that means God never united the sons of God if they were angels, fallen or otherwise, to call the daughters of men as wives to be called as wives to them in the Bible, thus they were not angels nor fallen one. One does not call fallen ones the sons of God anymore. No lie is of the truth so only the truth shall be written. So who is ignoring the Word of God? The sons of God were being referenced as those God favours as Israel is of that lineage as God's chosen people. It is God's chosen people reading the scriptures, are they not? So referencing sons of God is referencing a point of lineage favouring the choosing of God's people that are reading the scriptures. Are not the lineages of Jesus traced back as proving points of reference of the favourable lineage?Was it not man that created fables of Greek gods mingling with mankind? Of all the flying accusations to make about what is of man and what is not... angels mingling with mankind is a fable of man. Pray for these folks that believe wholeheartedly in these fables, believers in Christ, cause they need His help. I doubt very much any will be entering Heaven thinking less of Eve as this Serpent Seed is bearing false witness of. No lie is of the truth, and so I have to wonder by what spirit is teaching those that have itching ears for fables? Pride? Vainglorying of knowing or pretending to know something to exalt themselves over others that fail to see?And pride cometh before the fall. As we are called to love one another, let us pray for those ensnared by fables for they serve not the Lord Jesus Christ in this regard, because no one is going to look down on anyone in Heaven.1 Corinthians 1: 29That no flesh should glory in his presence. 30But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption: 31That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.2 Corinthians 3: 21Therefore let no man glory in men. For all things are your's; 22Whether Paul, or Apollos, or Cephas, or the world, or life, or death, or things present, or things to come; all are your's; 23And ye are Christ's; and Christ is God's.Matthew 23:12And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted.
     
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    I never said I respected your view on this subject, exactly, I said you're entitled to it ...I respect your right to have a viewWhat you call fables are the Word of God. That I can not respect nothing personal just can not respect untruths. When you try make his scriptures out as untrue reguardless of what they say to the contrary to hang on to men traditions that just is something I can not respect ...but something I have to accept as happing today...As there is a famine in the land for Gods truth ... Men love their traditions more than their Fathers Words I can not change that. All I can do is point it out. You can not prove scripture wrong and you can not prove what I said as wrong...all you can do is make accusations of fables and deny whats written because men say so. Thats your choice but if we just look at the scriptures without men your veiw can not hold upto the test as with all things when examining them and taking all verses on the subject into account and context it doesnt make the grade ...
     
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    What men are you referring to? Have I quoted any of them?
     
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    Genesis 3:15 "And I will put enmity between thee and the woman and between thy seed and her Seed It shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise His heel."Most "men of God" acknowledge that Genesis 3:15 is talking about the death of Jesus Christ, when He was nailed to the cross for our sins. They recognize that "seed" is referring to the children of the woman "Eve", yet somehow they just want to spiritualize everything else that happened in the Garden of Eden between Eve and the two men [Satan and Adam]. The "seed" in the Hebrew is called "zirmah", and in the Greek it is "sperma". We in the English call it "sperm", and in Strongs Hebrew Dictionary # 2233; "Posterity, carnally, child, fruitful". Friend, it can't be any clearer. The seed of Satan's "posterity" are the "Kenites", while Adam's posterity is in Christ, and of the pure bloodline through Seth.Until you understand what really took place in the Garden of Eden, and why; it will be difficult for you to grow up and mature in the Word of God, and in true Christianity. So Pariah,who do you say is the seed of the serpent?
     
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    Sinners. That is everybody. You do not make physical the seed that leads to Jesus as the spiritula seed and then go physical to seed as to the Kenites. Sin is what seperated us from God and Jesus is the way to be reconicled back to God. It is sin and death that will be the conquered as crushing the head of Satan for causing to come about.If there was such a need to keep the bloodline pure for Christ to come through, then no Kenite would be kept alive. To destroy all life but miss a few, goes to show how poor God's aim is in wiping out wickedness from the face of the earth, but this is what God said of man.. those eight souls that survived the Flood.1 Peter 3:20Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.Genesis 8:20And Noah builded an altar unto the LORD; and took of every clean beast, and of every clean fowl, and offered burnt offerings on the altar. 21And the LORD smelled a sweet savour; and the LORD said in his heart, I will not again curse the ground any more for man's sake; for the imagination of man's heart is evil from his youth; neither will I again smite any more every thing living, as I have done. 22While the earth remaineth, seedtime and harvest, and cold and heat, and summer and winter, and day and night shall not cease.So not only did God only save eight souls, but declared the reason why He did it again... man because of the imagination of man's heart is evil from his youth. Not because of the seed of Cain. I believe God's word as to when and how Cain was born. Adam knew Eve and THEN she conceived and gave birth to Cain. Not before.You guys want that curse from God to be a physical seed and yet you acknowledge the spiritual seed of Christ, but you cannot prove that Satan knew Eve and conceived and gave birth to Cain because that is not written. That is a lie. That is turning from the plain truth in God's words for fables.You cannot prove that more than eight souls were saved on that ark as saying there were Kenites on there thus defeating the purpose of your teaching for wiping the earth by the flood.You cannot prove that the sons of God were angels without making Jesus a liar for saying that the angels are not marrying nor given in marriage... as in they cannot take the daughters of men to be "wives" because God would not join them together for them to call the women wives by the scripture.Genesis 4: 1And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD. 2And she again bare his brother Abel. And Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground.So was Abel also an offspring of Satan? You want to see how reading inbetween the lines can get into trouble?~~~~~~~~~Reader's note... below is a lie done as an illustration of looking for a belief inbetween the lines~~~~~Since Adam knew Eve, Cain is the promised seed whereas Abel... nothing was mentioned as to Adam knowing Eve for bringing Abel about so that must be when Satan knew Eve and brought about Abel. Then Cain, knowing Abel's origin, and the prophecy, took it upon himself to kill his brother, crushing his head with a stone. We can assume that Cain hurt his heel doing so in the process because God's words do not lie, right?Genesis 4:25And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called his name Seth: For God, said she, hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew. 26And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon the name of the LORD. It was only then that Adam is mentioned as knowing Eve again that Seth was born and so there is no need for the promised seed now. Abel was the bad guy. Abel was the offspring of Satan. The serpent's seed has been terminated. Yippee. What need of Christ? The serpent seed has been dealt with! Let us all honour Cain now.~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ End of the illustrious lie ~~~~ feel free to vomit at any time ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~1 Timothy 4:4For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving: 5For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer. 6If thou put the brethren in remembrance of these things, thou shalt be a good minister of Jesus Christ, nourished up in the words of faith and of good doctrine, whereunto thou hast attained. 7But refuse profane and old wives' fables, and exercise thyself rather unto godliness. 8For bodily exercise profiteth little: but godliness is profitable unto all things, having promise of the life that now is, and of that which is to come. 9This is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptation. 10For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe. 11These things command and teach.Will you all heed these words now or do we take more time away from redeeming the time for entertaining ourselves with fables as if we see something hidden and secret that God wants everybody to know, and yet the above verses command otherwise, does He not?
     
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    Pariah,I will respond to your last post shortly but let me ask another question first.Where were you before you were born?
     
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    I am fully aware of the teaching of the first earth age so let me ask another question. If the First Earth Age was necessary for us to exist now, then where were we before the first earth age.And if we did exist before Adam, then how can Jesus say this?John 8:58Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.One should not make God's way our way for understanding how He foreknew us and predestined us.Isaiah 55: 7Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon. 8For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD. 9For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts. 10For as the rain cometh down, and the snow from heaven, and returneth not thither, but watereth the earth, and maketh it bring forth and bud, that it may give seed to the sower, and bread to the eater: 11So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it. 12For ye shall go out with joy, and be led forth with peace: the mountains and the hills shall break forth before you into singing, and all the trees of the field shall clap their hands.John 1: 1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2The same was in the beginning with God. 3All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.God would not have a first earth age to make His words now as proving Him a liar.Isaiah 45:17But Israel shall be saved in the LORD with an everlasting salvation: ye shall not be ashamed nor confounded world without end. 18For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else. 19I have not spoken in secret, in a dark place of the earth: I said not unto the seed of Jacob, Seek ye me in vain: I the LORD speak righteousness, I declare things that are right.The First Earth Age does not need to be for God to foreknew us anymore than for Mary needing to be without sin to give birth to the Saviour for then, that would mean her mother had to be without sin and that would mean there would be another existence before the so called First Earth Age because somewhere else has to be an existence for God to know us to exist again? No on both counts. God foreknewing us and having predestined us is to the power of God being God just as Mary whom sang in her Manificat of needing the Saviour as well ... does not need to be without sin either to give birth to the Saviour. Amen.
     
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    God created all souls at the same time ...The first earth age ..and we were here on earth just as we will be in the future have you not read ALL yes thats ALL will be changed into our incoruptable spirit bidies at the coming of the Lord it was the same body we had in the first earth age ... Its where God foreknows us from its why Satan was rebelling from the first .... There was no flesh untill this age ... 1Cr 15:49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly. 1Cr 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. 1Cr 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 1Cr 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 1Cr 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal [must] put on immortality.
     
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    Ok Pariah,you say the son's of God were not angels and that there was no age before this one.Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them. Job 2:1 Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD. Who are the son's of God in the above verses?Job 38 1Then the LORD answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said, 2Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge? 3Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me. 4Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding. 5Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it? 6Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof; 7When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy? In verse 7 above God tell's Job that the Morning stars and the Son's of God shouted for joy when He created this earth,now if we were not there when He did this then to who were those that shouted?Also whats the difference between these son's of God and the one's in the below verse?Genesis 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.Clearly those mentioned in Job were not flesh men,so who were they?
     
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    Of the lineage of Seth. Is it not a coincidence that both times the sons of God were presenting themselves to the Lord that Noah was being pointed out? It was because Noah was among them. If you recall how the Lord came to visit Cain and Abel when they presented their offerings, then you can see Seth carrying on the tradition by presenting themselves to the Lord by doing righteousness as God was referring to the presentation of Job's in his works. May the Lord help you to see that.
    From verse 3 to 6 was the Lord speaking of His act in creation in laying the foundation thereof and thereby returning to the present in verse 7 in what Job can witness thereof each morning when he and the sons of God shouted for joy when the morning stars ( planets seen in the morning) "sang" together with them in bearing witness of God's creation now.We know God has shifted to witnesses in creation that Job and the sons of God can see when we continue to read after verse 7 of other witnesses in creation.Job 38: 8Or who shut up the sea with doors, when it brake forth, as if it had issued out of the womb? 9When I made the cloud the garment thereof, and thick darkness a swaddlingband for it, 10And brake up for it my decreed place, and set bars and doors, 11And said, Hitherto shalt thou come, but no further: and here shall thy proud waves be stayed?Job can see the boundaries in creation as God has referenced them. God referring to the sons of God of whom Job was a part of, was His way of showing how even Job was a witness with the sons of God in His act of creation in regards to the morning stars when they sang together. If you can know that worship had to have taken place back then as it does now, then we can see how we being a children of God are to be leaning on Christ to present our bodies as holy unto the Lord in the way the sons of God were attempting to do by acts of righteousness as Job went further by being concern on what was on the inside as well and cared for the spiritual state of his family.Job 1: 5And it was so, when the days of their feasting were gone about, that Job sent and sanctified them, and rose up early in the morning, and offered burnt offerings according to the number of them all: for Job said, It may be that my sons have sinned, and cursed God in their hearts. Thus did Job continually.Romans 12:I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service. So what need of angels to present themselves to the Lord? They are perfect.
    By His grace, I have emboldened and underlined your answer for you in that quote. The same means.. they were of mankind. I share this by His grace in the hopes that God may cause the increase. Amen.Ephesians 4:12For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: 13Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ: 14That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive; 15But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:
     
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    What are you talking about it was Job that God pointed out.... Noah wasnt with them did you read the scripture ? You claim these are godly humans hanging out with Satan ? Read the verses.You have presented nothing of fact here just speculation based on nothing I can see ... Prove it that Noah was there wheres you scripture?
     
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