The Strong Delusion, 2 Thessalonians 2:11

[Truth7t7]

(The Strong Delusion)

(2 Thessalonians) 2:9-12KJV
9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

(Revelation) 13:11-14KJV
11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

(Revelation) 19:20KJV
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

 

[GISMYS_7]

Raptured believers (those caught up) will not be here trying to stay alive under anti-christ rule! PTL. We are counted worthy to escape because of faith and grace.

 

[Truth7t7]

Raptured believers (those caught up) will not be here trying to stay alive under anti-christ rule! PTL. We are counted worthy to escape because of faith and grace.

No such thing as a pre-trib rapture found in scripture, a fairy tale of John N. Darby and C.I. Scofield, better known as dispensationalism

The Church will be present on earth to witness the great tribulation, and second coming of Jesus Christ in the heavens, just as Luke 21:25-28 "Clearly" teaches below, there will be no (Pre-Trib Rapture) as dispensationalism falsely teaches, dont be deceived

Luke 21:25-28KJV
25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

 

[Timtofly]

The Second Coming is prior to the GT. Are you saying the rapture is not at the Second Coming?

The GT is during the Trumpets and Thunders. Christ and His 144k disciples are here during these events pointed out by John. If the 144k are here being protected from harm, then Christ is here. These 144k are wherever the Lamb is.

4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.

The church is in Paradise, the temple of God.

15 Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.

 

[Truth7t7]

The Second Coming is prior to the GT. Are you saying the rapture is not at the Second Coming?

The GT is during the Trumpets and Thunders. Christ and His 144k disciples are here during these events pointed out by John. If the 144k are here being protected from harm, then Christ is here. These 144k are wherever the Lamb is.

4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.

The church is in Paradise, the temple of God.

15 Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.

The Second Coming is "Prior" to the tribulation?

Your eschatology is a fairy tale, and that's a minor statement, in reality not worthy of a response

 

[Michiah-Imla]

A PRE-TRIB rapture only works once scriptures are forced into a flawed theological box called Dispensationalism.

 

[Truth7t7]

A PRE-TRIB rapture only works once scriptures are forced into a flawed theological box called Dispensationalism.

I Agree, not one scripture teaches of a (Pre-Trib) rapture of the church to heaven, not one

The Church will be present on earth to witness the great tribulation, and second coming of Jesus Christ in the heavens, just as Luke 21:25-28 "Clearly" teaches below, there will be no (Pre-Trib Rapture) as dispensationalism falsely teaches, dont be deceived

Luke 21:25-28KJV
25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

 

[Oseas]

Here is ANOTHER strong delusion and apostate preachings among the believers and in the Churches.

The expression "rapture" is not preached by the Word of GOD, in fact, the archaic theory of the Rapture is preached by en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_MacDonald. It is an invention, it's a devilish tares sowed among the believers in Christ JESUS, based in a dream and false vision of a woman called Margareth McDonald around year 1.830.

By the Word of GOD, the tares will be burnt with everlasting fire.

 

[n2thelight]

Raptured believers (those caught up) will not be here trying to stay alive under anti-christ rule! PTL. We are counted worthy to escape because of faith and grace.

Do you understand that the anti Christ is satan pretending to be Christ ?
Do you understand that you will either have the mark or the Seal

What may I ask are you escaping?

What you mean trying to stay alive ? you think satan going around killing people and even if he did , which is not the case ,what makes you different from the millions of Christians who have died for Christ?

Do you understand the tribulation of satan is all about deception ?

 

[Timtofly]

The Second Coming is "Prior" to the tribulation?

Your eschatology is a fairy tale, and that's a minor statement, in reality not worthy of a response

Just the Scriptures read as given. Your interpretation is what makes God's Word look like a fairy tale. You lean too much on your own understanding.

 

[Truth7t7]

Just the Scriptures read as given. Your interpretation is what makes God's Word look like a fairy tale. You lean too much on your own understanding.

Your claim of the second coming before the tribulation is a fairy tale, enough said

 

[Timtofly]

Your claim of the second coming before the tribulation is a fairy tale, enough said

You did not even define the tribulation. You did not even quote me correctly. There is constant tribulation on earth. Just saying before or after tribulation is meaningless, and you claim meaningless tribulation. The 42 months of Satan is not the GT. The tribulation of those days is not the GT. If Jesus had said He was coming after the GT, He would have stated the GT. He did not, but said those days. Do you not consider the first 4 Seals as any type of tribulation at all? 25% of 8 billion people killed during war, famine, plague, and wild beast is not tribulation in your private view of God's Word? The 6th Seal does come after the 4th Seal, at least as written. Some think John was writing a mystery novel out of sequence, instead of revealing Christ to any reader of any age and thinking ability.

How many people have to die to make a GT?

 

[Stumpmaster]

11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

The strong delusion sent by God renders those who despise the truth of the Gospel beyond redemption.

 

[n2thelight]

You may find some of the same answers here

Strong Delussion

I did this topic a while ago ,but more than happy to do so again

 

[n2thelight]

There are two tribulations one of satan at 666 and one of Christ at 777

 

[Stumpmaster]

You may find some of the same answers here

Strong Delussion

I did this topic a while ago ,but more than happy to do so again

Typo Alert: Should be "Delusion".

 

[n2thelight]

Typo Alert: Should be "Delusion".

Thanks

 

[n2thelight]

The strong delusion sent by God renders those who despise the truth of the Gospel beyond redemption.

No He sends it for their own good, not that they despise the truth it's that they can't seem to understand it and therefore are deceived .The deception is that of satan pretending to be Christ

 

[Stumpmaster]

No He sends it for their own good, not that they despise the truth it's that they can't seem to understand it and therefore are deceived .The deception is that of satan pretending to be Christ

They do not share the LOVE of the Gospel truth that the saints have. In fact they despise it, and favour things like Marxism and secular humanism, which are strong delusions.

 

[Truth7t7]

The strong delusion sent by God renders those who despise the truth of the Gospel beyond redemption.

I Agree 100%

(The Strong Delusion)

(2 Thessalonians) 2:9-12KJV
9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

(Revelation) 13:11-14KJV
11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

(Revelation) 19:20KJV
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.