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Davy

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Just when... is wheat harvest time? It's usually in May for the first harvest, but June-August for the summer harvest. Summer harvest is when our Lord Jesus referred to the fig harvest time in His Olivet discourse when He comes to gather His saints (Luke 21:30-31).

In Mark 13:14-18, our Lord Jesus warned those in Jerusalem when they see the "abomination of desolation" idol setup there according to the Book of Daniel, to get out of Judea. He then gave a warning for those 'with child' followed by praying you're flight is not in the winter...

Mark 13:17-18
17 But woe to them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
18 And pray ye that your flight be not in the winter.
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Apostle Luke gives a more serious version...

Luke 21:23
23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.
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He then referred to summer time harvest with the fig tree parable being the time of His coming and manifesting of the kingdom of God...

Luke 21:30-31
30 When they now shoot forth, ye see and know of your own selves that summer is now nigh at hand.
31 So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand.
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Since He referred to summer with the fig harvest in those same chapters, what's that pray your flight be not in the winter idea? One cannot just say, "Oh, that just means pray that His coming to gather us won't be in the winter." Really? is that what He truly meant? No, not really.

Childbirth is a blessing from The LORD GOD. Per Apostle Paul, Christ's Church is not appointed to God's wrath. The word for "wrath" in the Luke 21:23 verse is about the future event of God's wrath upon the wicked in most all New Testament examples (Strong's no.3709). So why would our Lord Jesus warn about that 'wrath' for those of His that are 'with child' for that end of the tribulation just before His 2nd coming? And why would He point to praying their flight is not in the winter, when He showed HARVEST time for His coming is in the SUMMER?

The Answer:

The answer is found in the Luke 23:26-30 Scripture.

Women in Jerusalem were weeping for Lord Jesus as He was being led to His crucifixion. He turned to them and said to not weep for Him, but instead for themselves, and for their children, because the day would come when they shall say, "... Blessed are the barren, and the wombs that never bare, and the paps which never gave suck." (Luke 23:29). Let's read the Luke 21:23 warning He gave again about those just prior to His coming that are "with child"...

Luke 21:23
23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.
KJV


Our Lord Jesus was proclaiming a parable He first gave in Isaiah 54 which uses the idea of a woman's womb to symbolize either a chaste virgin or a harlot found with child. In 2 Corinthians 11:1-4, Apostle Paul also used this parable saying he wanted to present us to Christ as "a chaste virgin". So if one thinks this warning our Lord Jesus gave in His Olivet discourse is simply about literal pregnant women during the tribulation, they need to think again, for our Lord Jesus was teaching us to not be deceived by the coming pseudo-Christ who will appear in Jerusalem first playing God, and instead wait for our Lord Jesus' coming afterwards to destroy that false one.

This is why He said pray your flight be not in the winter, because winter represents the time of the "untimely figs" that literally grow in the winter and fall off in the spring. Summer harvest time is when Jesus comes to gather His harvest. So if you're gathered in symbolic winter, then it means you are gathered early by the coming Antichrist who comes first. Those gathered early will be like the symbolic harlot found "with child", and God's wrath will be upon those deceived by the Antichrist that fall away to him instead.
 

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Addressing the OP, good topic and I follow your analogy you gave, but not saying that you're right or wrong, but consider this. the wicked will be gathered first, scripture, Matthew 13:30 "Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn." so the tares are gather first correct.

now as for the "flight in winter". which as you stated is symbolic, I agree. but consider this in sysbolism. what happens in winter? things get cold, and things get Hard, and or Stiff correct, now lets apply this analogy in the spiritual arena. HARD hearts, STIFF neckes, COLD feet. other words the refusal to REPENT, or CHANGE our ways. being hardhearted and stillnecked, and having cold feet in not willing to move from one's OLD BELIEFS, to a NEW Covenant of Change. other word frozen in the same old way. unwilling to change, or repent. a flight is to move, as you said, not physically, but a move, or change in the spirit.

Just something to consider.

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Addressing the OP, good topic and I follow your analogy you gave, but not saying that you're right or wrong, but consider this. the wicked will be gathered first, scripture, Matthew 13:30 "Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn." so the tares are gather first correct.

now as for the "flight in winter". which as you stated is symbolic, I agree. but consider this in sysbolism. what happens in winter? things get cold, and things get Hard, and or Stiff correct, now lets apply this analogy in the spiritual arena. HARD hearts, STIFF neckes, COLD feet. other words the refusal to REPENT, or CHANGE our ways. being hardhearted and stillnecked, and having cold feet in not willing to move from one's OLD BELIEFS, to a NEW Covenant of Change. other word frozen in the same old way. unwilling to change, or repent. a flight is to move, as you said, not physically, but a move, or change in the spirit.

Just something to consider.

PICJAG.

That event Jesus gave in His parable of the tares doesn't mention His 1,000 year reign of Rev.20 that begins at His return. We can see in Zechariah 14 that not all those of the armies that come up against Jerusalem at the end are destroyed, as those left during Christ's reign will be required to come up to Jerusalem to worship The King (Jesus) and keep the feast of tabernacles.

Zech 14:16-17
16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.
KJV


That shows the "tares" won't all be immediately destroyed on the day of His 2nd coming.

Also, Paul showed in 1 Thessalonians 4 about Christ's coming to gather His Church, which parallels what our Lord Jesus showed in His Olivet discourse about gathering the saints on the day of His coming. And if that's not enough proof, the Revelation 3:9 verse shows the "synagogue of Satan" will bow before the feet of Christ's elect in worship (of Christ), which has never happened yet, and won't until after Christ's return.
 

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That event Jesus gave in His parable of the tares doesn't mention His 1,000 year reign of Rev.20 that begins at His return. We can see in Zechariah 14 that not all those of the armies that come up against Jerusalem at the end are destroyed, as those left during Christ's reign will be required to come up to Jerusalem to worship The King (Jesus) and keep the feast of tabernacles.

Zech 14:16-17
16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.
KJV


That shows the "tares" won't all be immediately destroyed on the day of His 2nd coming.

Also, Paul showed in 1 Thessalonians 4 about Christ's coming to gather His Church, which parallels what our Lord Jesus showed in His Olivet discourse about gathering the saints on the day of His coming. And if that's not enough proof, the Revelation 3:9 verse shows the "synagogue of Satan" will bow before the feet of Christ's elect in worship (of Christ), which has never happened yet, and won't until after Christ's return.
Nor AM I speaking to the battle of armageddon but his return. for those who are his, (Spiritual), will be gathered, but those who are not his are gathered to ... be BURNED.

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now as for the "flight in winter". which as you stated is symbolic, I agree. but consider this in sysbolism. what happens in winter? things get cold, and things get Hard, and or Stiff correct, now lets apply this analogy in the spiritual arena. HARD hearts, STIFF neckes, COLD feet. other words the refusal to REPENT, or CHANGE our ways. being hardhearted and stillnecked, and having cold feet in not willing to move from one's OLD BELIEFS, to a NEW Covenant of Change. other word frozen in the same old way. unwilling to change, or repent. a flight is to move, as you said, not physically, but a move, or change in the spirit.

Just something to consider.

PICJAG.

Yet our Lord Jesus was using His parable first given in Isaiah 54, which is about spiritual harlotry with the idea of woman's womb being a major factor in that. The Isaiah 54 parable is about the 'barren' woman who remained barren without child being blessed with more children than the married wife. That's impossible if it were meant literally. It's a parable. And it's about either remaining a chaste virgin waiting on Christ, or instead becoming a spiritual harlot and found with child when Jesus comes.

The idea is like Jesus is our Husband (an actual part of the parable), gone away on a long trip, and we are to remain chaste, waiting on His return. The idea of our remaining a chaste virgin like Apostle Paul said, is by remaining in the Faith waiting on His return. So one of the main factors in the parable is about NOT waiting, and the appearance of a false one that tries to take His place. And when our true Lord Jesus does appear, those not chaste have been found playing the harlot, and are 'with child'. That's the actual meaning of the 'with child' parable He gave.

1. Antichrist-pseudoMessiah who comes first - go with him, become a spiritual harlot and found with child (spiritual sense) when Jesus comes later.
2. Lord Jesus Who comes later - 'wait' on Him, be found a spiritually chaste virgin, and barren without child, and Blessed when He finds you waiting on Him.

It's really as simple as that.
 

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Nor AM I speaking to the battle of armageddon but his return. for those who are his, (Spiritual), will be gathered, but those who are not his are gathered to ... be BURNED.

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The only ones destroyed on the day of His 2nd coming are the 7,000 mentioned in Revelation 11 on the 7th trumpet. But those do not represent the "tares" of Matthew 13.

The "tares" represent the false Jews, the crept in unawares of Jude 1.

And again, Zechariah 14 factors into the future reign by Christ beginning at His 2nd coming, and it showing the continued existence of the tares.
 

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thanks for the reply. barren as without the Spirit, hence NO FRUIT? sysblism......

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The only ones destroyed on the day of His 2nd coming are the 7,000 mentioned in Revelation 11 on the 7th trumpet. But those do not represent the "tares" of Matthew 13.

The "tares" represent the false Jews, the crept in unawares of Jude 1.

And again, Zechariah 14 factors into the future reign by Christ beginning at His 2nd coming, and it showing the continued existence of the tares.
thanks for the reply, or is it the sheep and the goats?

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thanks for the reply. barren as without the Spirit, hence NO FRUIT? sysblism......

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No, not really. The idea in the parable of being 'barren' is about being a chaste virgin waiting on Christ. The idea of the word "barren" is about a womb that does not bare children.

Luke 23:28-30
28 But Jesus turning unto them said, "Daughters of Jerusalem, weep not for me, but weep for yourselves, and for your children.

29 For, behold, the days are coming, in the which they shall say, 'Blessed are the barren, and the wombs that never bare, and the paps which never gave suck.'


30 Then shall they begin to say to the mountains, 'Fall on us'; and to the hills, 'Cover us.'"

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Those parts in red is what those who fell away to the Antichrist will be saying when Jesus returns and finds they did not remain chaste. The whole matter revolves around the Biblical concept of the coming Antichrist trying to play The Christ in Jerusalem at the end, and cause the deceived to worship him instead.
 

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No, not really. The idea in the parable of being 'barren' is about being a chaste virgin waiting on Christ. The idea of the word "barren" is about a womb that does not bare children.
are you sure? listen, Hosea 9:14 "Give them, O LORD: what wilt thou give? give them a miscarrying womb and dry breasts."

why? LISTEN,

Isaiah 28:9 "Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts."
Isaiah 28:10 "For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:"
Isaiah 28:11 "For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people."
Isaiah 28:12 "To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear."
Isaiah 28:13 "But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken."

PICJAG.
 

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thanks for the reply, or is it the sheep and the goats?

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It's the symbolic goats. It's these...

Rev 3:9
9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
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That's about the false Jews, those who crept in among the house of Judah back in the Old Testament. It was primarily those which wanted to murder our Lord Jesus, and influenced the people to have Him crucified. The last verse of Zechariah 14 tells us at the future time when Christ's reign happens after His return, then there will be no more the Canaanite in the house of God. The scribes of Israel per 1 Chronicles 2:55 were the Kenites which was a people that originated among the nations of Canaan. The job of Israel's scribes was to keep copies of God's Word in order from generation to generation. By the time of Jesus' 1st coming, many of the Canaanites which Israel failed to destroy per God's commandment had become temple workers (Nethinims), some of them became priests. By the time of Christ's 1st coming the religious sects of Israel had become corrupted. The only sect of the time not mentioned in God's Word were the Essenes who lived in the desert, which some think John the Baptist was a member of.
 

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are you sure? listen, Hosea 9:14 "Give them, O LORD: what wilt thou give? give them a miscarrying womb and dry breasts."

why? LISTEN,

Isaiah 28:9 "Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts."
Isaiah 28:10 "For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:"
Isaiah 28:11 "For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people."
Isaiah 28:12 "To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear."
Isaiah 28:13 "But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken."

PICJAG.

That Isaiah 28 Scripture is about those among God's people that reject His Word line upon line. They refuse to study it line upon line, precept upon precept. And God wrote it that way so those would fall backward in it, His Word becoming a stone of stumbling to them. That is about those which Jesus said 'to them it is not given' in Matthew 13 when His disciples asked Him why He spoke to the multitudes in parables. It's about the idea of eyes to see, and ears to hear.

That is not the same subject of Isaiah 54, where the 'Blessed are the barren' parable originates.
 

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That Isaiah 28 Scripture is about those among God's people that reject His Word line upon line. They refuse to study it line upon line, precept upon precept. And God wrote it that way so those would fall backward in it, His Word becoming a stone of stumbling to them. That is about those which Jesus said 'to them it is not given' in Matthew 13 when His disciples asked Him why He spoke to the multitudes in parables. It's about the idea of eyes to see, and ears to hear.

That is not the same subject of Isaiah 54, where the 'Blessed are the barren' parable originates.
that's ok,

be blessed,

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Mark 13:17-18
17 But woe to them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
18 And pray ye that your flight be not in the winter.
KJV
I see this warning as a prophecy for the yet to happen; Day of the Lords fiery wrath, the Sixth seal worldwide disaster.
I also believe that this harvest of the godless in all of the holy Land, will come during a Northern winter.

Psalms 68:14 When the Almighty routs the kings in the Land, snow will fall on Mt Zalmon.
Mt Zalmon is either Mt Hebron or near it; in Northern Israel.
Psalms 68 makes interesting reading; verses 1-3 say the Lord will melt His enemies like wax, then the righteous will rejoice as they travel to and live in all of the holy Land. Psalms 68:17-35 tells this story.
 

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I see this warning as a prophecy for the yet to happen; Day of the Lords fiery wrath, the Sixth seal worldwide disaster.
I also believe that this harvest of the godless in all of the holy Land, will come during a Northern winter.

Psalms 68:14 When the Almighty routs the kings in the Land, snow will fall on Mt Zalmon.
Mt Zalmon is either Mt Hebron or near it; in Northern Israel.
Psalms 68 makes interesting reading; verses 1-3 say the Lord will melt His enemies like wax, then the righteous will rejoice as they travel to and live in all of the holy Land. Psalms 68:17-35 tells this story.

Our Lord Jesus linked the time of summer as the time of His coming with the parable of the fig tree. But with His warning to those 'with child', He warned against their flight being in winter. Thus we are to contrast 'winter' there in the symbolic sense with summer, not in the literal sense. Both the time of summer and winter there in Luke 21 are meant as symbolic times linked to the parable of the fig tree.

This is why the 6th Seal is actually in 2 parts, the first being about Satan and his host cast out of the heavenly down to earth for the tribulation as "untimely figs"...

Rev 6:13
13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

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This is why our Lord Jesus warned about fleeing in winter, because symbolic winter is what is meant. It's in relation to being gathered by the pseudo-Christ who comes first in symbolic winter as those "untimely figs". The winter fig grows in the winter and falls off in the spring. It's an early fig, not the summer fig.

I can't make it any more plain than that.
 

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I can't make it any more plain than that.
and it remains a confusion!

You have mixed up the fleeing of the Christians from the Romans, in 66 AD; with the Sixth Seal event, yet to happen.
When it is know what the Lord will use on His terrible Day of fiery wrath, then all the prophesies about that Day, will be literally fulfilled. Satan is not cast out of heaven until 1260 days before Jesus Returns. Revelation 12:6-9
 

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and it remains a confusion!

You have mixed up the fleeing of the Christians from the Romans, in 66 AD; with the Sixth Seal event, yet to happen.
When it is know what the Lord will use on His terrible Day of fiery wrath, then all the prophesies about that Day, will be literally fulfilled. Satan is not cast out of heaven until 1260 days before Jesus Returns. Revelation 12:6-9

It's not confusing if you know where both our Lord Jesus and Apostle Paul were pulling from with the idea of being presented to our true Husband as a chaste virgin, and remaining spiritually barren and without child from the Antichrist...

2 Cor 11:2
2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one Husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.
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And the events in Christ's Olivet discourse were not given for 70 A.D. when the Romans sacked Jerusalem. Christ's Olivet discourse are the seven main Signs of the end in His Revelation.
 

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It's not confusing if you know where both our Lord Jesus and Apostle Paul were pulling from with the idea of being presented to our true Husband as a chaste virgin, and remaining spiritually barren and without child from the Antichrist...

2 Cor 11:2
2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one Husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.
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And the events in Christ's Olivet discourse were not given for 70 A.D. when the Romans sacked Jerusalem. Christ's Olivet discourse are the seven main Signs of the end in His Revelation.
More mixed up ideas!
The Bride is not presented to Christ until Jesus Returns. Revelation 19:9-11

The OD, in Matthew 24, refers to both the Roman conquest and to end times.
Certainly, Matthew 24:21-22 refers to the Sixth seal worldwide disaster. Then Matthew 24:29 refers to the Great Trib of the 7 Trumpets and the 7 Bowls, after them; Jesus will Return.
 

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More mixed up ideas!
The Bride is not presented to Christ until Jesus Returns. Revelation 19:9-11

The OD, in Matthew 24, refers to both the Roman conquest and to end times.
Certainly, Matthew 24:21-22 refers to the Sixth seal worldwide disaster. Then Matthew 24:29 refers to the Great Trib of the 7 Trumpets and the 7 Bowls, after them; Jesus will Return.

Amazing how you keep skirting the actual Scriptures in question which I have shown, 2 Cor.11, Luke 23:27-30, Isaiah 54, Luke 21:22-23.