The True Sabbath and the Millennial Rest Foreshadowed

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This study explains why the weekly Sabbath is no longer observed and what it actually foreshadowed. The study can be found in English here The True Sabbath and the Millennial Rest Foreshadowed | Wisdom of God or in Spanish here El Verdadero Sábado y el Descanso Milenario Prefigurado | Sabiduria de Dios . Let us begin a discussion on these matters.

I don't think your link properly explains why the Sabbath was changed. How about a look at historical evidences;

"Unquestionably the first law, either ecclesiastical or civil, by which the sabbatical observance of Sunday is known to have been ordained is the sabbatical edict of Constantine, A.D. 32I."
Chambers' Encyclopaedia, Article "Sunday."

"On the Venerable Day of the Sun ["venerabili die Solis"--the sacred day of the Sun] let the magistrates and people residing in cities rest, and let all workshops be closed. In the country, however, persons engaged in agriculture may freely and lawfully continue their pursuits; because it often happens that another day is not so suitable for grain-sowing or for vine-planting; lest by neglecting the proper moment for such operations the bounty of heaven should be lost--Given the 7th day of March, [A.D. 321], Crispus and Constantine being consuls each of them for the second time."
The First Sunday Law of Constantine 1, in "Codex Justinianus," lib. 3, tit. 12, 3; trans. in Phillip Schaff "History of the Christian Church," Vol. 3, p. 380.

"The Council of Laodicea - forbids Christians from judaizing and resting on the Sabbath day, preferring the Lord's day, and so far as possible resting as Christians."
Encyclopaedia Britannica, 1899 Edition, Vol. XXIII, page 654.

"Christians shall not Judaize and be idle on Saturday [in the original: "sabbato" shall not be idle on the Sabbath], but shall work on that day; but the Lord's day they shall especially honour, and as being Christians, shall, if possible, do no work on that day. If, however, they are found Judaizing, they shall be shut out from Christ."
Council of Laodicea, c. A.D. 337, Canon 29, quoted in C.J. Hefele, "A History of the Councils of the Church," Vol. 2, p. 316.

It would appear that the Sabbath was changed by a commandment of men. What do you suppose Christ thinks about men changing his Fathers commandments?;

Mat 15:1 Then came to Jesus scribes and Pharisees, which were of Jerusalem, saying, 2 Why do your disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? for they do not wash their hands when they eat bread. 3 But he answered and said to them, Why do you also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition? 4 For God commanded, saying, Honor your father and mother: and, He who curses father or mother, let him die the death. 5 But you say, Whoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatever you might be profited by me; 6 And does not honor his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus you have made the commandment of God of no effect by your tradition. 7 You hypocrites, well did Isaiah prophesy of you, saying, 8 This people draws near to me with their mouth, and honors me with their lips; but their heart is far from me. 9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
 

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I don't think your link properly explains why the Sabbath was changed. How about a look at historical evidences;

"Unquestionably the first law, either ecclesiastical or civil, by which the sabbatical observance of Sunday is known to have been ordained is the sabbatical edict of Constantine, A.D. 32I."
Chambers' Encyclopaedia, Article "Sunday."

"On the Venerable Day of the Sun ["venerabili die Solis"--the sacred day of the Sun] let the magistrates and people residing in cities rest, and let all workshops be closed. In the country, however, persons engaged in agriculture may freely and lawfully continue their pursuits; because it often happens that another day is not so suitable for grain-sowing or for vine-planting; lest by neglecting the proper moment for such operations the bounty of heaven should be lost--Given the 7th day of March, [A.D. 321], Crispus and Constantine being consuls each of them for the second time."
The First Sunday Law of Constantine 1, in "Codex Justinianus," lib. 3, tit. 12, 3; trans. in Phillip Schaff "History of the Christian Church," Vol. 3, p. 380.

"The Council of Laodicea - forbids Christians from judaizing and resting on the Sabbath day, preferring the Lord's day, and so far as possible resting as Christians."
Encyclopaedia Britannica, 1899 Edition, Vol. XXIII, page 654.

"Christians shall not Judaize and be idle on Saturday [in the original: "sabbato" shall not be idle on the Sabbath], but shall work on that day; but the Lord's day they shall especially honour, and as being Christians, shall, if possible, do no work on that day. If, however, they are found Judaizing, they shall be shut out from Christ."
Council of Laodicea, c. A.D. 337, Canon 29, quoted in C.J. Hefele, "A History of the Councils of the Church," Vol. 2, p. 316.

It would appear that the Sabbath was changed by a commandment of men. What do you suppose Christ thinks about men changing his Fathers commandments?;

Mat 15:1 Then came to Jesus scribes and Pharisees, which were of Jerusalem, saying, 2 Why do your disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? for they do not wash their hands when they eat bread. 3 But he answered and said to them, Why do you also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition? 4 For God commanded, saying, Honor your father and mother: and, He who curses father or mother, let him die the death. 5 But you say, Whoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatever you might be profited by me; 6 And does not honor his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus you have made the commandment of God of no effect by your tradition. 7 You hypocrites, well did Isaiah prophesy of you, saying, 8 This people draws near to me with their mouth, and honors me with their lips; but their heart is far from me. 9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

The teaching to not observe the weekly Sabbath, which is scriptural, is not an endorsement to then observe the Sabbath on Sunday, for that in itself is a sin, for the Sabbath is from Friday 6pm to Saturday 6pm. If a man is to observe the Sabbath, then he must observe it in its appointed time.
 

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The teaching to not observe the weekly Sabbath, which is scriptural, is not an endorsement to then observe the Sabbath on Sunday, for that in itself is a sin, for the Sabbath is from Friday 6pm to Saturday 6pm. If a man is to observe the Sabbath, then he must observe it in its appointed time.

The teaching "to not observe the weekly Sabbath" is not scriptural.
The rules for how the 7th day Sabbath is to be observed was better defined by Christ who is Lord even of the Sabbath day. Christ himself observed his fathers Sabbath always and countered the man made rules devised by the religious leaders since the original command which simply stated;

Exodus 20:8Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: 10But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates...

Y'shua customarily kept the Sabbath. He taught in synagogues and explained that the Sabbath was not supposed to be a burden, but rather a blessing. Because the Jews recognized that Jerusalem had been destroyed and their ancestors carried into captivity for Sabbath breaking, some built a hedge of rules around the Sabbath which tried to dictate its observance in minute detail. They made the strict keeping of the Sabbath according to their rules more important than the well-being of human beings: Y'shua constantly clashed with the religious leaders on account of this as He did the Father's will and implemented the Sabbath in the right context and not according to the legalistic interpretation of the Pharisees.
Hebrew Roots/Neglected Commandments/Sabbath/Apologetics/History - Wikibooks, open books for an open world
 

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The teaching "to not observe the weekly Sabbath" is not scriptural.
The rules for how the 7th day Sabbath is to be observed was better defined by Christ who is Lord even of the Sabbath day. Christ himself observed his fathers Sabbath always and countered the man made rules devised by the religious leaders since the original command which simply stated;

Exodus 20:8Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: 10But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates...

Y'shua customarily kept the Sabbath. He taught in synagogues and explained that the Sabbath was not supposed to be a burden, but rather a blessing. Because the Jews recognized that Jerusalem had been destroyed and their ancestors carried into captivity for Sabbath breaking, some built a hedge of rules around the Sabbath which tried to dictate its observance in minute detail. They made the strict keeping of the Sabbath according to their rules more important than the well-being of human beings: Y'shua constantly clashed with the religious leaders on account of this as He did the Father's will and implemented the Sabbath in the right context and not according to the legalistic interpretation of the Pharisees.
Hebrew Roots/Neglected Commandments/Sabbath/Apologetics/History - Wikibooks, open books for an open world

Clearly you have not read the gospels, nor the Law, to see that the priests and also the disciples profaned the Sabbath, yet were guitless,

At that time Jesus went through the grainfields on the Sabbath. His disciples were hungry, and they began to pluck heads of grain and to eat... Or have you not read in the Law how on the Sabbath the priests in the temple profane the Sabbath and are guiltless? (Matthew 12:1-5 [ESV])

Profaning the Sabbath is not observing the Sabbath, for one is not permitted to gather grain on the Sabbath, just as this man was not even permitted to gather wood,

While the people of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man gathering sticks on the Sabbath day... And the LORD said to Moses, “The man shall be put to death; all the congregation shall stone him with stones outside the camp.” (Numbers 15:32-35 [ESV])

And you are not even permitted to light a fire on the Sabbath,

You shall kindle no fire in all your dwelling places on the Sabbath day.” (Exodus 35:3 [ESV])

And this is because the Sabbath is but a shadow of the true Sabbath, the millennial one thousand year Sabbath, and whoever enters this rest will fulfill the Sabbath. And this is why Paul wrote,

One person considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike. Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind. (Romans 14:5 [NIV])

Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ. (Colossians 2:16-17 [NIV])

So what I am saying is indeed scriptural. You say it is not scriptural because you are blinded by your own deception preventing you from understanding these scriptures.
 

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Clearly you have not read the gospels, nor the Law, to see that the priests and also the disciples profaned the Sabbath, yet were guitless,.

I am quite well read on the scriptures. Your OP talks about why the weekly Sabbath is no longer observed and I first showed you why the seventh day Sabbath wasn't being observed and then you asserted that it has to do not with the time of observance but rather method which is why I then showed you that method of observance is based on the spirit of the law not the minute details as the scribes and pharisee's had assumed but, the fact that Christ showed the people that the method of observation did not have to follow the man made traditions of the Jewish elders he has never said that obeying the intent of his Fathers Sabbath was done away with. Christ and most of the churches who resulted from his ministry observed the seventh day Sabbath according to the command intent well into 200 A.D.

At that time Jesus went through the grainfields on the Sabbath. His disciples were hungry, and they began to pluck heads of grain and to eat... Or have you not read in the Law how on the Sabbath the priests in the temple profane the Sabbath and are guiltless? (Matthew 12:1-5 [ESV])
Profaning the Sabbath is not observing the Sabbath, for one is not permitted to gather grain on the Sabbath,

To understand the meaning of how to properly observe the Fathers Sabbath one must also see how Christ defined it;

Matt 12:10And, behold, there was a man which had his hand withered. And they asked him, saying, Is it lawful to heal on the sabbath days? that they might accuse him. 11And he said unto them, What man shall there be among you, that shall have one sheep, and if it fall into a pit on the sabbath day, will he not lay hold on it, and lift it out? 12How much then is a man better than a sheep? Wherefore it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days.

It is lawful to do well on the Sabbath days..... What Christ stated was not that we were released from observing his fathers commandment but that actions that are for good fall within the scope of the original intent of the 4th commandment otherwise he could have simply stated that that commandment no longer applies right?. In order for something to be termed lawful (as he stated it) there would in fact need to be a law in effect for it be applicable to and Christ has correctly defined what types of lawful actions are acceptable during the observance of not working on the Fathers eternally fixed 7th day of rest. It is ok to do good during the observance of rest on the Sabbath day.
It is NOT ok to no longer observe the intent of the Fathers command and just do whatever you feel like on his holy day.

Here is an example of what Christ meant about the intent of the Sabbath day command.
There was a tornado in Kansas and some people were buried in debris so some men broke into a hardware store and stole some tools to help dig out the survivors. These men broke the law of breaking and entering as well as stealing in order to do good and they were held blameless within the scope of our laws however, at any other time they would not be held blameless right?

So what I am saying is indeed scriptural. You say it is not scriptural because you are blinded by your own deception preventing you from understanding these scriptures.

So lashing out at others verbally when there is a disagreement is a Christian method of discussing the word of God?
 
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I am quite well read on the scriptures. Your OP talks about why the weekly Sabbath is no longer observed and I first showed you why the seventh day Sabbath wasn't being observed and then you asserted that it has to do not with the time of observance but rather method which is why I then showed you that method of observance is based on the spirit of the law not the minute details as the scribes and pharisee's had assumed but, the fact that Christ showed the people that the method of observation did not have to follow the man made traditions of the Jewish elders he has never said that obeying the intent of his Fathers Sabbath was done away with. Christ and most of the churches who resulted from his ministry observed the seventh day Sabbath according to the command intent well into 200 A.D.



To understand the meaning of how to properly observe the Fathers Sabbath one must also see how Christ defined it;

Matt 12:10And, behold, there was a man which had his hand withered. And they asked him, saying, Is it lawful to heal on the sabbath days? that they might accuse him. 11And he said unto them, What man shall there be among you, that shall have one sheep, and if it fall into a pit on the sabbath day, will he not lay hold on it, and lift it out? 12How much then is a man better than a sheep? Wherefore it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days.

It is lawful to do well on the Sabbath days..... What Christ stated was not that we were released from observing his fathers commandment but that actions that are for good fall within the scope of the original intent of the 4th commandment otherwise he could have simply stated that that commandment no longer applies right?. In order for something to be termed lawful (as he stated it) there would in fact need to be a law in effect for it be applicable to and Christ has correctly defined what types of lawful actions are acceptable during the observance of not working on the Fathers eternally fixed 7th day of rest. It is ok to do good during the observance of rest on the Sabbath day.
It is NOT ok to no longer observe the intent of the Fathers command and just do whatever you feel like on his holy day.

Here is an example of what Christ meant about the intent of the Sabbath day command.
There was a tornado in Kansas and some people were buried in debris so some men broke into a hardware store and stole some tool to help dig out the survivors. These men broke the law of breaking and entering as well as stealing in order to do good and they were held blameless within the scope of our laws however, at any other time they would not be held blameless right?



So lashing out at others verbally when there is a disagreement is a Christian method of discussing the word of God?

Of course I am going "lash out" to someone who is teaching error. And it's not out of hate, but out of love, that you may realize your own error and come to the understanding of the truth,

Yet count him not as an enemy, but admonish him as a brother. (1 Thessalonians 3:15 [KJV])

"'Do not hate a fellow Israelite in your heart. Rebuke your neighbor frankly so you will not share in their guilt. (Leviticus 19:17 [NIV])

Now, the problem with many of you is that you go from the extreme where catholics completely discard the Sabbath, and have replaced it with Sunday, which is a sin, to the other extreme obligating people to observe the Sabbath, telling them that they are sinning if they do not, which is also a sin. And even you yourselves do not observe the Sabbath as is commanded, so not only are you in sin, but also in hypocrisy. Tell me, do you drive your car on the Sabbath? Do you pump gas on the Sabbath? Do you go grocery shopping on the Sabbath? Do you turn on your lights on the Sabbath? Do you wash your clothes on the Sabbath? All these things involve the kind of "work" that is forbidden by the Law. If you wish to observe the Sabbath, then observe it as was commanded, and in its proper time, and not in your own hypocritical way of observing where you think observing the Sabbath is simply not working your 9-5 job and going to church, while you do "work" in other ways that essentially break the Sabbath. And then by your own hypocritical way of observing the Sabbath, you think you have achieved greater righteousness and obedience to God than those who do not, when it is clear from scripture that there were men who profaned the Sabbath, yet were still without guilt. Its complete foolishness.

Whoever has lesser belief and thinks he must still observe the Sabbath, then let him observe it, to the Lord, but let him not judge he who is of greater belief that knows that the Sabbath is but a shadow of the true Sabbath, the millennial rest of Jesus Christ. And let him who is of greater belief not judge he who is of lesser belief. I do not judge anyone who observes the Sabbath, and in fact, I encourage it for it is good for a man to rest after 6 days of work, but what I will not permit are those who observe Sabbaths to judge those who do not, and neither did the apostle Paul.
 

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This study explains why the weekly Sabbath is no longer observed and what it actually foreshadowed. The study can be found in English here The True Sabbath and the Millennial Rest Foreshadowed | Wisdom of God or in Spanish here El Verdadero Sábado y el Descanso Milenario Prefigurado | Sabiduria de Dios . Let us begin a discussion on these matters.

The Sabbath day rest won't be experienced by all created men until after the day of the Lord destroys Satan ( false prophet ) and the beast. Those of us servants who testified to the knowledge of God called Christ learn how we're created and how we'll experience life after the day of the Lord when all men enter eternal life without ever being deceived by the "tree of the knowledge of good and evil" again.
 

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The Sabbath day rest won't be experienced by all created men until after the day of the Lord destroys Satan ( false prophet ) and the beast. Those of us servants who testified to the knowledge of God called Christ learn how we're created and how we'll experience life after the day of the Lord when all men enter eternal life without ever being deceived by the "tree of the knowledge of good and evil" again.

You are correct that not all men will enter into the millennial Sabbath, in which case on the day of the Lord, which is another term that means the second coming of Jesus Christ, is when the millennial Sabbath will begin, and whoever have been chosen will enter this rest with aeonial life. The remaining portion of mankind, whoever was found written in the Book of Life, after Satan has been destroyed after the time of the millennial rest is completed, will enter into the new heaven and new earth, and receive aeonial life when they eat of the tree of life there. The tree of knowledge of good and evil is not a deception, but rather, it was the serpent who deceived the woman to eat of this true, where man then attained knowledge of good and evil, that was known only to angels beforehand.
 

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Of course I am going "lash out" to someone who is teaching error. And it's not out of hate, but out of love, that you may realize your own error and come to the understanding of the truth,
Yet count him not as an enemy, but admonish him as a brother. (1 Thessalonians 3:15 [KJV])
"'Do not hate a fellow Israelite in your heart. Rebuke your neighbor frankly so you will not share in their guilt. (Leviticus 19:17 [NIV]).

Accusation and admonishment are different things;
admonish
1 A: to indicate duties or obligations to
b : to express warning or disapproval to especially in a gentle, earnest, or solicitous manner were admonished for being late
2 : to give friendly earnest advice or encouragement to admonished them to be careful


This is admonishing.

Now, the problem with many of you is that you go from the extreme where catholics completely discard the Sabbath, and have replaced it with Sunday, which is a sin, to the other extreme obligating people to observe the Sabbath, telling them that they are sinning if they do not, which is also a sin. And even you yourselves do not observe the Sabbath as is commanded, so not only are you in sin, but also in hypocrisy. Tell me, do you drive your car on the Sabbath?.

The question about the Sabbath method of observation has no dependency on whether the one speaking about it is observing it. The question is to determine what is expected by Christ and the Father.

In order to determine what is correct one must consult scripture and as I pointed out Christ defined what was an acceptable and lawful exception to the law of the Sabbath so, unless you can show that the Sabbath no longer has any requirement backed by scripture then lashing out at anyone who disagrees with you accomplishes nothing. Our beliefs are based on scripture with proper exegesis and unless you have absolute proof for your interpretation then the possibility remains that you could be wrong and even though I believe you are wrong I am not lashing out at all, i'm simply showing you the relevant scriptures and historical facts.
 
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You are correct that not all men will enter into the millennial Sabbath, in which case on the day of the Lord, which is another term that means the second coming of Jesus Christ, is when the millennial Sabbath will begin, and whoever have been chosen will enter this rest with aeonial life. The remaining portion of mankind, whoever was found written in the Book of Life, after Satan has been destroyed after the time of the millennial rest is completed, will enter into the new heaven and new earth, and receive aeonial life when they eat of the tree of life there. The tree of knowledge of good and evil is not a deception, but rather, it was the serpent who deceived the woman to eat of this true, where man then attained knowledge of good and evil, that was known only to angels beforehand.

It's obvious you don't have a clue what the prophecies are about.
 

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Keep in mind that most outside references are interpretations as well and are also subject to error. Think of how many sects of Christianity are out there and how many interpretations there are and then consider this scripture;
Matt 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

If there are few that find the right path then it is likely that most major sects have something quite wrong with them. The kind of stuff that seems so right but inherently diverts the seeker to fail. God has stated that the traditions of men has been a major failing point throughout history even for the Jewish people whom he chose to carry his word to the world so, how many traditions of men do you follow and believe are true? Question your foundations.
 

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I have been reading your link and I have found a piece of information that I had not made a connection with yet. The killing of the first born of the Egyptians by "evil angels" was something that I had not made a connection with.
I also find it interesting that you have correctly discerned that the seal, people will be marked with is the holy spirit and that you also have discerned that both body and soul will die at their end.

I do see a point of disagreement with the lava flows concept because a body will not actually float on lava. You would not sink into the molten rock but the 1200 or so degrees of heat would essentially cause the 80% water in your flesh to turn to steam and the other 20% would essentially be turned to ash, so there would be nothing for a worm to eat. I would say you need to look for a rationale that allows for what the scripture does portray. God is the master architect of physics and he designed how everything will work together. We can only understand his physics by observation.
 

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I have been reading your link and I have found a piece of information that I had not made a connection with yet. The killing of the first born of the Egyptians by "evil angels" was something that I had not made a connection with.
I also find it interesting that you have correctly discerned that the seal, people will be marked with is the holy spirit and that you also have discerned that both body and soul will die at their end.

I do see a point of disagreement with the lava flows concept because a body will not actually float on lava. You would not sink into the molten rock but the 1200 or so degrees of heat would essentially cause the 80% water in your flesh to turn to steam and the other 20% would essentially be turned to ash, so there would be nothing for a worm to eat. I would say you need to look for a rationale that allows for what the scripture does portray. God is the master architect of physics and he designed how everything will work together. We can only understand his physics by observation.

I perceive you are a man of understanding. I have studied lava flows, and you can read some of these articles to see for yourself that a man will indeed float on the surface of lava, especially if the lava has cooled and crusted at the surface, whilst still remaining extremely hot below a crust to burn a body that is thrown on it. Then, multiply that times billions of bodies thrown there, so there will absolutely be bodies on the surface rotting with worms on them,

The Right (and Wrong) Way to Die When You Fall Into Lava | WIRED
Would You Really Sink If You Fell into a Volcano?
 

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I perceive you are a man of understanding. I have studied lava flows, and you can read some of these articles to see for yourself that a man will indeed float on the surface of lava, especially if the lava has cooled and crusted at the surface, whilst still remaining extremely hot below a crust to burn a body that is thrown on it. Then, multiply that times billions of bodies thrown there, so there will absolutely be bodies on the surface rotting with worms on them,

This would be the alternate problem. If there was a crusted type by the time bodies hit the lava then it would not have the appearance of the lake described in the scriptures. There is one other point about this that the spirit has brought to my mind last night... A normal earthly fire cannot kill the soul so, based on this I would say that the only fire that could perform both destructions is the very presence of God himself.

I humbly offer these scriptures;
Nahum 1:6 Who can stand before His indignation? Who can endure the burning of His anger? His wrath is poured out like fire And the rocks are broken up by Him.

Deuteronomy 4:24 "For the LORD your God is a consuming fire, a jealous God.

Jeremiah 4:4 "Circumcise yourselves to the LORD And remove the foreskins of your heart, Men of Judah and inhabitants of Jerusalem, Or else My wrath will go forth like fire And burn with none to quench it, Because of the evil of your deeds."

Malachi 3:2 "But who can endure the day of His coming? And who can stand when He appears? For He is like a refiner's fire and like fullers' soap.

There is one small point that appears to be unreconciled though since i'm fairly certain that sulfur is not part of the fire spoken of in the above verses and it is in this verse;

Revelation 21:8 But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.”