The Truth of Genesis

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DPMartin

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literal yes, your idea what a day is to the Creator and Judge no.

who's telling this creation story to whom ever sustained it until Moses documented it? or maybe the Lord told Moses directly. ether way the only One that was there for all six days was the Lord God, wasn't it?

also the days couldn't be by the measurement of the earth's rotation and or revolutions around the sun. the sun didn't exist as the "sun" until some time in the fourth day. and still there's no proof even after that that there was 24 hr's in a day and even 365 days in a year.
 

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literal yes, your idea what a day is to the Creator and Judge no.

who's telling this creation story to whom ever sustained it until Moses documented it? or maybe the Lord told Moses directly. ether way the only One that was there for all six days was the Lord God, wasn't it?

also the days couldn't be by the measurement of the earth's rotation and or revolutions around the sun. the sun didn't exist as the "sun" until some time in the fourth day. and still there's no proof even after that that there was 24 hr's in a day and even 365 days in a year.
Except God said it was a day. Evening and morning. A literal day.
 

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Is Genesis 1 literal? Was it 24 hour days? I contend that yes, absolutely.
There is no question that Genesis 1-3 (as well as the rest of that book) was to be understood in its plain literal sense. Each day was bounded by evening and morning (the Hebrew reckoning for days from sunset to sunset). Therefore those days were 24 hours days, and this is confirmed by the Ten Commandments.

The Day-Age Theory, the Gap Theory, and the theory of evolution are all man-made ideas which opposed direct and immediate creation by God.

Furthermore, Genesis 1 and 2 need to be harmonized properly in order to see the sequence of events.
 

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There is no question that Genesis 1-3 (as well as the rest of that book) was to be understood in its plain literal sense. Each day was bounded by evening and morning (the Hebrew reckoning for days from sunset to sunset). Therefore those days were 24 hours days, and this is confirmed by the Ten Commandments.
Exactly
 

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Except God said it was a day. Evening and morning. A literal day.

are you for real?


2Pe_3:8  But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

here now you can say a day is a thousand years, where as Peter says "as a" not "is a". the day isn't according to you its according to the Creator.
 
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are you for real?


2Pe_3:8  But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

here now you can say a day is a thousand years, where as Peter says "as a" not "is a". the day isn't according to you its according to the Creator.
First, that is a simile. It does not say, as you pointed out that a year IS 1000 years.

Second, it ignores the fact Scripture says evening and morning.
 

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There is no question that Genesis 1-3 (as well as the rest of that book) was to be understood in its plain literal sense. Each day was bounded by evening and morning (the Hebrew reckoning for days from sunset to sunset). Therefore those days were 24 hours days, and this is confirmed by the Ten Commandments.

The Day-Age Theory, the Gap Theory, and the theory of evolution are all man-made ideas which opposed direct and immediate creation by God.

Furthermore, Genesis 1 and 2 need to be harmonized properly in order to see the sequence of events.

I also point out that scripture was not originally divided by numbered chapters and numbered verses. The topic of Genesis 1:1 does not end until Genesis 2:3

And then another topic began in Genesis 2:4 regarding where all the generations of mankind had come from which is why it went into detail of the creation of man and woman on the sixth day. Genesis 2:5 is proof that this is a flashback on the sixth day when testifying that there was not a man yet to till the ground.
 
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2Pe_3:8  But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
This should not be taken out of context to suggest that it took 6,000 years to create the world. All it is telling us that as far as God is concerned, time is meaningless.

But He also knows that time has meaning for mankind therefore we read this (Gen 1:14): And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years.
 
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This should not be taken out of context to suggest that it took 6,000 years to create the world. All it is telling us that as far as God is concerned, time is meaningless.

But He also knows that time has meaning for mankind therefore we read this (Gen 1:14): And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years.
The problem is people turn to science for an explanation science can't give.
 
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I also point out that scripture was not originally divided by numbered chapters and numbered verses.
Here is how the first two chapters should be harmonized:

PART I

INTRODUCTION

2:4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,
1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.


DAY 1
1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
1:4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.

1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day. [Note: this is a 24 hour day]

DAY 2
1:6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
1:7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.

1:8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day. [Note: this is a 24 hour day]

DAY 3
1:9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry landappear: and it was so.
1:10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it wasgood.
1:11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
2:5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.
2:6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.
1:12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seedwas in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

1:13 And the evening and the morning were the third day. [Note: this is a 24 hour day]

DAY 4
1:14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
1:15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
1:16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
1:17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
1:18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.

1:19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day. [Note: this is a 24 hour day]

DAY 5
1:20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
1:21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
1:22 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.

1:23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day. [Note: this is a 24 hour day]
 
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This should not be taken out of context to suggest that it took 6,000 years to create the world. All it is telling us that as far as God is concerned, time is meaningless.

But He also knows that time has meaning for mankind therefore we read this (Gen 1:14): And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years.
Does this also mean there’s a sun and moon in hell?
 

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PART II

DAY 6
1:24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
1:25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
1:30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.
1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
2:8 And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.
2:9 And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
2:10 And a river went out of Eden to water the garden; and from thence it was parted, and became into four heads.
2:11 The name of the first is Pison: that is it which compasseth the whole land of Havilah, where there is gold;
2:12 And the gold of that land is good: there is bdellium and the onyx stone.
2:13 And the name of the second river is Gihon: the same is it that compasseth the whole land of Ethiopia.
2:14 And the name of the third river is Hiddekel: that is it which goeth toward the east of Assyria. And the fourth riveris Euphrates.
2:15 And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.
1:29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
2:16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
2:18 And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.
2:19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.
2:20 And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him.
2:21 And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;
2:22 And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.
2:23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.
2:24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.
2:25 And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.
1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

1:31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day. [Note: this is a 24 hour day]
2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.

DAY 7
2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
 
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This should not be taken out of context to suggest that it took 6,000 years to create the world. All it is telling us that as far as God is concerned, time is meaningless.

correct