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The Woman Who Rides the Beast

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    My father had this video and i started to watch it.. and it is very interesting.. but i wanted to know is it beleivable?The video talks about how the women who rides the beat is Mary... and she is an idle to the Catholics which is going to hurt them by following her.... im not sure if thats exactly how it goes.. im 16 but i know alot.. ive seen 25+ videos so its hard to remember them all
     
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    Hi ZalakiGood to have you on our board you have brought up a very interesting subject.If I remember right I beleive you are partcialy right I beleive the woman represents the false religious systems that will be mislead by the anti-christ,but let me do some research to refresh my absent mindness before you take this to heart.
     
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    Hi ZalakiGood to have you on our board you have brought up a very interesting subject.If I remember right I beleive you are partcialy right I beleive the woman represents the false religious systems that will be mislead by the anti-christ,but let me do some research to refresh my absent mindness before you take this to heart.
    ok kool i tryed researching it a little but had no luck bcus i didnt know where to look...
     
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    Excellent question indeed!The woman that you are refering to can be found in Revelation 17:Revelation 17:3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.Revelation 17:4And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:If you go on down to the end of Revelation 17, the Bible tells us more about her:Revelation 17:18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.She's also referred to as the "whore" in several verses. I think this is important to note because, as you probably already know, there is the common use of the bride and groom as a metaphor for Christ and his church.Revelation 21:9-10 And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife. And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,I think that it's safe to say that we can look into the whore/woman metaphor a little more deeply and kriss hit that nail on the head. The idea of a whore is an opposite to that of a bride? Why?Exodus 34:16And thou take of their daughters unto thy sons, and their daughters go a whoring after their gods, and make thy sons go a whoring after their gods.The whore is the group that sets itself up to worship the antichrist just as the bride worships the One True Lord. Now, this could be the Catholic Church, but I am not of that opinion because I believe it more directly describes those who worship the antichrist and it just isn't going to be any single specific group.Let me know if I can clarify anything else or get you pointed in the right direction. Certainly, the best thing you can do is to simply read Revelation 17 and formulate your own interpretation. I'm just here to help you along.
     
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    Thanks swampfox
     
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    I believe that the woman on the beast, is the sin nature of man. This nature came unto man when excepting the lie of Satan (The Beast) This woman (Nature of sin) Has been riding on the lie of the beast. However, the beast will turn against this nature of the woman so that man will turn to the beast for ones needs. To worship the anti-Christ. Mans greed / pride is torn from his control (as if he truly ever had it)to the control of the Anti-christ. Just a thought / my opinion only
     
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    Here's a tract That I've put together and if its the Lord's will I'll be handing them out as pamphlets in the near future. Perhaps this may answer a few questionsHint #1 Did you know countless of millions were killed throughout a bloody 600 year period under Papal Rome? Look into the history of the Papal Inquisitions and SEE FOR YOURSELF!Revelation 17:1-6 “And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters: With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication. So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication: And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.”Hint #2 Did you know Rome has always been known as the city on sevens hills?Revelation 17:9 “And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which on which the woman sitteth.”Hint # 3 Did you know Roman Catholicism boasts about 1.1 Billion Members?Revelation 17:15 “And he saith unto me, The waters, which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.”Hint #4 Are you aware that Catholicism has been the center of world-wide scandals for years?Sexual abuse, money laundering, murder, etc.Revelation 18:2 “And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Bablyon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.”Hint #5 Are you are that the Vatican controls the most powerful political and religious organization in the world?Revelation 17:8 “ And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.”Hint #6 Are You aware that the Roman Catholic Church has been behind all major wars throughout the world since it came into existence?Revelation 18:24 “And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.”Hint #7 Are you aware of the countless billions in assets the Roman Catholic Church has world-wide?Revelation 18:3 “For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.”Revelation 18:7 “How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow.”Hint #8 Are you aware of the blasphemies made by the Catholic Church?"The Pope and God are the same, so he has all power in Heaven and earth." Pope Pius V, quoted in Barclay, Chapter XXVII, p. 218, "Cities Petrus Bertanous".“We hold upon this earth the place of God Almighty." SOURCE: Pope Leo XIII Encyclical letter, June 20, 1894"The pope is of so great dignity and so exalted that he is not a mere man, but AS IT WERE GOD, and the vicar of God." SOURCE: The Catholic Encyclopedia, Vol. VI, p.48Revelation 17:3 “So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.”WHAT IS GOD GOING TO DO TO HER?Revelation 18:8 “Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her.”GOD’S WARNINGRevelation 18:4-5 “And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues. For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.”Quick FactsAbout 75% of the rites and ceremonies of the Roman Church are of pagan originMORE THAN 400 YEARS AFTER CHRIST!The worship of Mary, the mother of Jesus, and the use of the term, "Mother of God", as applied to her, originated in the Council of Ephesus in....431 ADMORE THAN 700 YEARS AFTER CHRIST! The worship of the cross, images, and relics were authorized by Hadrian I in 788ADMORE THAN 1200YEARS AFTER CHRIST! Confession of sins to the priest at least once a year was instituted by Pope Innocent III, in the Lateran Council, in the year 1215God Bless!
     
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    Let us read what God says this has nothing to do with the catholic chuch Rev.17:7 And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns. God will tell us the secret of who the harlot is and what the beast she is riding represents. 8The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is. The beast that rises out of the bottomless pit is Satan.(perdition means utterly destroyed only Satan has been judged to utter destruction) 9And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth. The "Mountains" are seven nations, or dominions. They are areas of land, and all seven dominions comprise the entire earth. They will make up Satan's earthly kingdom. A "kingdom" is "a king and his domain". The "woman", or this false religion will sit and rule over all seven of these dominions. "She" is the religion of Satan, and the eighth verse told us it is Satan [the beast] that will sit over the woman. The city that Antichrist rules his New religious system from is not Rome, it is a NEW one world religion system (the wwhore) physically called Jerusalem it is where the two wittness's lie dead in the street for 3 days, ect. Where Christ foot touches down all the action is in Jerusalem Antichrist rules from Jerusalem. It is only man that has put an interptation of Rome here not God 10And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space. We are speaking of an entity here... Satan! 11And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition. The son of perdition which is Satan... The seven kings are the roles that Satan plays throughout time from the beginning. 12And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast. The ten kings who have not yet risen to power; but they will be appointed to their kingdoms for a brief time to reign with the religious beast. 13These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast. They will all sign a treaty giving their power and strength to the beast... He controls them! 14These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful. Together they will wage war against the Lamb, and the Lamb will conquer them; for the Lamb is the King of Kings and Lord of Lords. 15And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues. The waters which the woman is sitting on represent masses of people of every race and nation... Billions who are deceived! Those who play church, attending once a week and then back to their everyday lives and old grind, never learning the truth of God's Word. 16And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire. Reference: (Revelation 18:8-9) 17For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled. God will put a plan into their minds, a plan that will carry out His purpose. IT WILL HAPPEN AS IT IS WRITTEN! 18And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth. That woman represents the "great city" that will rule over the kings of the earth .This city is symbolic for Babylon that is confusion of the Antichrist (Satans ) religious system "Mystery Babylon" ....which physically is ruled from Jerusalem
     
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    Here's a tract That I've put together and if its the Lord's will I'll be handing them out as pamphlets in the near future. Perhaps this may answer a few questionsHint #1 Did you know countless of millions were killed throughout a bloody 600 year period under Papal Rome? Look into the history of the Papal Inquisitions and SEE FOR YOURSELF!Revelation 17:1-6 “And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters: With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication. So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication: And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.”Hint #2 Did you know Rome has always been known as the city on sevens hills?Revelation 17:9 “And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which on which the woman sitteth.”Hint # 3 Did you know Roman Catholicism boasts about 1.1 Billion Members?Revelation 17:15 “And he saith unto me, The waters, which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.”Hint #4 Are you aware that Catholicism has been the center of world-wide scandals for years?Sexual abuse, money laundering, murder, etc.Revelation 18:2 “And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Bablyon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.”Hint #5 Are you are that the Vatican controls the most powerful political and religious organization in the world?Revelation 17:8 “ And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.”Hint #6 Are You aware that the Roman Catholic Church has been behind all major wars throughout the world since it came into existence?Revelation 18:24 “And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.”Hint #7 Are you aware of the countless billions in assets the Roman Catholic Church has world-wide?Revelation 18:3 “For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.”Revelation 18:7 “How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow.”Hint #8 Are you aware of the blasphemies made by the Catholic Church?"The Pope and God are the same, so he has all power in Heaven and earth." Pope Pius V, quoted in Barclay, Chapter XXVII, p. 218, "Cities Petrus Bertanous".“We hold upon this earth the place of God Almighty." SOURCE: Pope Leo XIII Encyclical letter, June 20, 1894"The pope is of so great dignity and so exalted that he is not a mere man, but AS IT WERE GOD, and the vicar of God." SOURCE: The Catholic Encyclopedia, Vol. VI, p.48Revelation 17:3 “So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.”WHAT IS GOD GOING TO DO TO HER?Revelation 18:8 “Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her.”GOD’S WARNINGRevelation 18:4-5 “And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues. For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.”Quick FactsAbout 75% of the rites and ceremonies of the Roman Church are of pagan originMORE THAN 400 YEARS AFTER CHRIST!The worship of Mary, the mother of Jesus, and the use of the term, "Mother of God", as applied to her, originated in the Council of Ephesus in....431 ADMORE THAN 700 YEARS AFTER CHRIST! The worship of the cross, images, and relics were authorized by Hadrian I in 788ADMORE THAN 1200YEARS AFTER CHRIST! Confession of sins to the priest at least once a year was instituted by Pope Innocent III, in the Lateran Council, in the year 1215God Bless!
    I'm with you on this one! I'm convinced now more than ever that Rome/Roman Church are part of the Beast kingdoms that the prophet Daniel wrote about and the Apostle John in the book of Revelation. They are still powerful today as we are under the New World Order(Mystery Babylon).....the religious, political and economical stronghold over the world and its leaders today. Even the United States with God's people has fallen under it's influence.Rome never really died. "It was the mortal wound that healed and the world was amazed."Here's more on that subject from an interesting website.http://www.aloha.net/~mikesch/dragon.htmDid you know that there is a book entitled, "The Richest Man in Babylon"?http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Richest_M...n_Babylon_(book)I've known a few Roman Catholics throughout my life, and one day, one of them was carrying this book. I asked, "where did you get that"? He said, "It is required reading among Catholics. Most dioceses carry this book in their libraries. Now that was a real eye-opener! My husband and I had bought that book a couple of years earlier. It was a great read. It explains how our modern economic system is based on that ancient Babylonian money system. And it was Roman Catholic Church that began the usury money system around 500 years ago with the help of the Medici Family.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediciYes, Rome still holds great power over our world today. The Vatican sits on the greatest cache of wealth in the world. It's members are estimated as high as 200 million people!The other interesting thing is how the Pope is elected, the same way that Caesar was elected in Rome.But instead of statues of the gods, now statues of the saints line the Vatican walls.Instead of the Vestil Virgins, we have nuns.Instead of Eunuchs, we have priests who vow celebacy.Caesar was worshipped as a "god". Now the Pope is also worshipped as God. The Pope's very name, "Vicarious Filli Dei", means "vicar of the Son of God", or "stand-in for God". This name is written over the Pope's Secret Chambers.Jesus said, Matthew 24:26 "Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not."What great religion came out of the desert? Islam.What great religion has a ruler in the "secret chambers"? Roman Catholicism. The Pope is elected in the secret chambers. Jesus knew of this and warned us about these two great religions that would have have great influence in our world today.Jesus also warned us of the "wolves in sheep's clothing". Of course, Rome's name comes from the legend of the She-Wolf who raised two boys, Romulus and Remus. When Rome took on the "form" of Christianity, it became, "the wolf in sheep's clothing".There is so much on this subject, it is staggering! I find it hard to believe that some people have a hard time believing that "Rome" still influences our world today.Kim
     
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    Let us read what God says this has nothing to do with the catholic chuch Rev.17:7 And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns. God will tell us the secret of who the harlot is and what the beast she is riding represents. 8The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is. The beast that rises out of the bottomless pit is Satan.(perdition means utterly destroyed only Satan has been judged to utter destruction) 9And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth. The "Mountains" are seven nations, or dominions. They are areas of land, and all seven dominions comprise the entire earth. They will make up Satan's earthly kingdom. A "kingdom" is "a king and his domain". The "woman", or this false religion will sit and rule over all seven of these dominions. "She" is the religion of Satan, and the eighth verse told us it is Satan [the beast] that will sit over the woman. The city that Antichrist rules his New religious system from is not Rome, it is a NEW one world religion system (the wwhore) physically called Jerusalem it is where the two wittness's lie dead in the street for 3 days, ect. Where Christ foot touches down all the action is in Jerusalem Antichrist rules from Jerusalem. It is only man that has put an interptation of Rome here not God 10And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space. We are speaking of an entity here... Satan! 11And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition. The son of perdition which is Satan... The seven kings are the roles that Satan plays throughout time from the beginning. 12And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast. The ten kings who have not yet risen to power; but they will be appointed to their kingdoms for a brief time to reign with the religious beast. 13These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast. They will all sign a treaty giving their power and strength to the beast... He controls them! 14These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful. Together they will wage war against the Lamb, and the Lamb will conquer them; for the Lamb is the King of Kings and Lord of Lords. 15And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues. The waters which the woman is sitting on represent masses of people of every race and nation... Billions who are deceived! Those who play church, attending once a week and then back to their everyday lives and old grind, never learning the truth of God's Word. 16And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire. Reference: (Revelation 18:8-9) 17For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled. God will put a plan into their minds, a plan that will carry out His purpose. IT WILL HAPPEN AS IT IS WRITTEN! 18And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth. That woman represents the "great city" that will rule over the kings of the earth .This city is symbolic for Babylon that is confusion of the Antichrist (Satans ) religious system "Mystery Babylon" ....which physically is ruled from Jerusalem
    There's more than enough information to prove that the woman is indeed the Roman Catholic Church. I recommend "A Woman Rides the Beast," by Dave Hunt and "The Two Babylons," By Alexander Hislop. I do not recommend their doctrinal teachings, but the evidence presented in these two books will definitely provide you with a new understanding.I personally find that its completely undeniable in terms of her identity, but I see the points that you are making and understand why you see it from a different view point. Heres the link To Hislops Book, Its completely free to read [url="http://www.biblebelievers.com/babylon/]http://www.biblebelievers.com/babylon/[/url]I dont think theres a link to Hunt's book, so perhaps you'd may have to search for it at a library. There's also many books on the Papal Inquistions that tie in with the verse Revelation*17:6 "And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration."Look into the ties that The Vatican has had with political assasinations of world leaders such as Abraham Lincoln and JFK. There are quotes that Lincoln himself made concerning the Jesuits that you may find startling. Also look into the ties that the Vatican had with Hitler. Heres a site that will explain things more carefully, again I do not recommend their doctinal teachings just their historical information based on the Catholic Church. http://www.vaticanassassins.org/The Roman Catholic Church is behind many if not most of the major wars that have occured throughout history since her existence. Perhaps those links will clarify this.Revelation*18:24 "And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth."
     
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    ONELORD.ONEFAITH, Kim,Both of your posts are good, I believe the RC will have a lot of questions to answer when Christ returns. I also believe it, the RC, is being and will be used by Satan to deceive many of God's children. I don't believe it is the only church that is being used to deceive. Many of the other Christian churches are guilty of teaching false doctrine (tradition of man). There are seven churches listed in Revelation, only two are approved by Christ. They are all Christian assemblies, ἐκκλησία ekklēsia, five fall short. A couple of them are fairly soundly condemned.
     
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    I'm with you on this one! I'm convinced now more than ever that Rome/Roman Church are part of the Beast kingdoms that the prophet Daniel wrote about and the Apostle John in the book of Revelation. They are still powerful today as we are under the New World Order(Mystery Babylon).....the religious, political and economical stronghold over the world and its leaders today. Even the United States with God's people has fallen under it's influence.Rome never really died. "It was the mortal wound that healed and the world was amazed."Here's more on that subject from an interesting website.http://www.aloha.net/~mikesch/dragon.htmDid you know that there is a book entitled, "The Richest Man in Babylon"?http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Richest_M...n_Babylon_(book)I've known a few Roman Catholics throughout my life, and one day, one of them was carrying this book. I asked, "where did you get that"? He said, "It is required reading among Catholics. Most dioceses carry this book in their libraries. Now that was a real eye-opener! My husband and I had bought that book a couple of years earlier. It was a great read. It explains how our modern economic system is based on that ancient Babylonian money system. And it was Roman Catholic Church that began the usury money system around 500 years ago with the help of the Medici Family.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediciYes, Rome still holds great power over our world today. The Vatican sits on the greatest cache of wealth in the world. It's members are estimated as high as 200 million people!The other interesting thing is how the Pope is elected, the same way that Caesar was elected in Rome.But instead of statues of the gods, now statues of the saints line the Vatican walls.Instead of the Vestil Virgins, we have nuns.Instead of Eunuchs, we have priests who vow celebacy.Caesar was worshipped as a "god". Now the Pope is also worshipped as God. The Pope's very name, "Vicarious Filli Dei", means "vicar of the Son of God", or "stand-in for God". This name is written over the Pope's Secret Chambers.Jesus said, Matthew 24:26 "Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not."What great religion came out of the desert? Islam.What great religion has a ruler in the "secret chambers"? Roman Catholicism. The Pope is elected in the secret chambers. Jesus knew of this and warned us about these two great religions that would have have great influence in our world today.Jesus also warned us of the "wolves in sheep's clothing". Of course, Rome's name comes from the legend of the She-Wolf who raised two boys, Romulus and Remus. When Rome took on the "form" of Christianity, it became, "the wolf in sheep's clothing".There is so much on this subject, it is staggering! I find it hard to believe that some people have a hard time believing that "Rome" still influences our world today.Kim
    Please give scripture that say anything about Rome or the catholic church as opposed to all the other false religions ?
     
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    Read these verses carefully, they describe the characteristics of a powerful church. Which consists of many riches and much wealth. The Roman Catholic Church is the most powerful and wealthiest "religous" organization in the world. Revelation*18:12 The merchandise of gold, and silver, and precious stones, and of pearls, and fine linen, and purple, and silk, and scarlet, and all thyine wood, and all manner vessels of ivory, and all manner vessels of most precious wood, and of brass, and iron, and marble,Revelation*18:13 "And cinnamon, and odours, and ointments, and frankincense, and wine, and oil, and fine flour, and wheat, and beasts, and sheep, and horses, and chariots, and slaves, and souls of men."Revelation*18:14 "And the fruits that thy soul lusted after are departed from thee, and all things which were dainty and goodly are departed from thee, and thou shalt find them no more at all."Revelation*18:15 "The merchants of these things, which were made rich by her, shall stand afar off for the fear of her torment, weeping and wailing,"Revelation*18:16 "And saying, Alas, alas, that great city, that was clothed in fine linen, and purple, and scarlet, and decked with gold, and precious stones, and pearls!"Revelation*18:17 "For in one hour so great riches is come to nought. And every shipmaster, and all the company in ships, and sailors, and as many as trade by sea, stood afar off,"Revelation*18:18 "And cried when they saw the smoke of her burning, saying, What city is like unto this great city!"Revelation*18:19 "And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas, that great city, wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her costliness! for in one hour is she made desolate."Revelation*18:20 "Rejoice over her, thou heaven, and ye holy apostles and prophets; for God hath avenged you on her."Revelation*18:21 "And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all."Revelation*18:22 "And the voice of harpers, and musicians, and of pipers, and trumpeters, shall be heard no more at all in thee; and no craftsman, of whatsoever craft he be, shall be found any more in thee; and the sound of a millstone shall be heard no more at all in thee;"Read the letters in bold, who else is refered to as the bridegroom in scriptureand what is the bride? Revelation*18:23 "And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived."This is speaking about Christ and his body. Now of course the Catholic church isnt the "True Church" as Pope Benedict has claimed recently. But the understanding is this, that the organization that is being spoken of here, has incorporated Christianity into its structure. Now, in terms of sorceries, exorcisms, stigmata, bleeding and crying statues/idols, and demonic apparitions of Mary (in closed in areas and in the sky), would these not be categorized as something that would certainly deceive those that do not have some spiritual discernment? Jeremiah*10:2 "Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them."Isaiah*66:4 "I also will choose their delusions, and will bring their fears upon them; because when I called, none did answer; when I spake, they did not hear: but they did evil before mine eyes, and chose that in which I delighted not."
     
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    They are describing a religion that doesnt exist yet A one world religious system that includes all the World Muslim, Christain Jew this is Antichrist religion that he controls you are trying to make a church fit that is only a part of the whole Anti christ cause a delusion upon the world all religions all peoples there isnt a single verse here that God says this is Catholics its just mans speculation. This is mans ideas not Gods Word. This is called a Harlot religion not a single church THIS IS A WORLD RELIGION RULED FROM JERUSALEM
     
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    Rev 2:1 Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write; These things saith he that holdeth the seven stars in his right hand, who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks; Rev 2:2 I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars: Rev 2:3 And hast borne, and hast patience, and for my name's sake hast laboured, and hast not fainted. Rev 2:4 Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love. Rev 2:5 Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent. Rev 2:6 But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate. Rev 2:7 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God. Rev 2:8 And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive; Rev 2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan. Rev 2:10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life. Rev 2:11 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death. Rev 2:12 And to the angel of the church in Pergamos write; These things saith he which hath the sharp sword with two edges; Rev 2:13 I know thy works, and where thou dwellest, even where Satan's seat is: and thou holdest fast my name, and hast not denied my faith, even in those days wherein Antipas was my faithful martyr, who was slain among you, where Satan dwelleth. Rev 2:14 But I have a few things against thee, because thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a stumblingblock before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication. Rev 2:15 So hast thou also them that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitans, which thing I hate. Rev 2:16 Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth. Rev 2:17 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it. Rev 2:18 And unto the angel of the church in Thyatira write; These things saith the Son of God, who hath his eyes like unto a flame of fire, and his feet are like fine brass; Rev 2:19 I know thy works, and charity, and service, and faith, and thy patience, and thy works; and the last to be more than the first. Rev 2:20 Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols. Rev 2:21 And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not. Rev 2:22 Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds. Rev 2:23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works. Rev 2:24 But unto you I say, and unto the rest in Thyatira, as many as have not this doctrine, and which have not known the depths of Satan, as they speak; I will put upon you none other burden. Rev 2:25 But that which ye have already hold fast till I come. Rev 2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations: Rev 2:27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father. Rev 2:28 And I will give him the morning star. Rev 2:29 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches. Rev 3:1 And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write; These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars; I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead. Rev 3:2 Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die: for I have not found thy works perfect before God. Rev 3:3 Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee. Rev 3:4 Thou hast a few names even in Sardis which have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with me in white: for they are worthy. Rev 3:5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels. Rev 3:6 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches. Rev 3:7 And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write; These things saith he that is holy, he that is true, he that hath the key of David, he that openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth; Rev 3:8 I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name. Rev 3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee. Rev 3:10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth. Rev 3:11 Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown. Rev 3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name. Rev 3:13 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches. Rev 3:14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God; Rev 3:15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. Rev 3:16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth. Rev 3:17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked: Rev 3:18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see. Rev 3:19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent. Rev 3:20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me. Rev 3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne. Rev 3:22 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches. Religion is one of the four hidden dynasties being used by the antichrist.
     
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    ONELORD.ONEFAITH, Kim,Both of your posts are good, I believe the RC will have a lot of questions to answer when Christ returns. I also believe it, the RC, is being and will be used by Satan to deceive many of God's children. I don't believe it is the only church that is being used to deceive. Many of the other Christian churches are guilty of teaching false doctrine (tradition of man). There are seven churches listed in Revelation, only two are approved by Christ. They are all Christian assemblies, ἐκκλησία ekklēsia, five fall short. A couple of them are fairly soundly condemned.
    Yes, Tom,I agree, their are "other" churches claiming to be "Christian" who are now following after the "Beast and the False Prophet". Most of them have incorporated the same "pagan" rituals as the RC.The whole point of the Roman Church being pulled out, is that it has the most influence over the world right now. It not only has power religiously, but politically, and economically as well.As we know, "Mystery Babylon" has influence over "all the kings and the merchants of the world". "The Whore with Golden Cup in her hand" as shown on the coinage of the Vatican in the link I provided above.It was the RC who started this world banking system we have today with Medici Family. It was the RC who persecuted and murdered millions of thousands of Christians throughout history (after Rome). It was the RC who ruled politically for hundreds of years.The "Rapture" theology was started with Jesuit Priests around 500 years ago. Many Evangelical, Dispensationalist Christians don't realize that the Rapture has it's roots in Roman Catholicism. It didn't start with Darby or Schofield or even with the little girl in Scotland.It was the Pope who even met with Hitler on various occasions during WWII. Hitler was born a Roman Catholic according to his book, "Mein Kampf". I was told as a child that the Papacy doesn't have the power it once had. But that simply wasn't true. Our presidents meet with the Pope every year to consult on world affairs. He is still as influential as he was hundreds of years ago and worshipped by millions of people worldwide as the "Saviour".The Vatican even invests in the world stock markets.Even now those that were once Protestant are meeting once again with the Pope who wishes to bring all the Protestants back under the "wing" of the Roman Church. They still preach today that they are the "One and True Church of God". Pope Benedict was quoted as saying this just last year!Kim
     
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    Rev 2:1 Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write; These things saith he that holdeth the seven stars in his right hand, who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks; Rev 2:2 I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars: Rev 2:3 And hast borne, and hast patience, and for my name's sake hast laboured, and hast not fainted. Rev 2:4 Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love. Rev 2:5 Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent. Rev 2:6 But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate. Rev 2:7 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God. Rev 2:8 And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive; Rev 2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan. Rev 2:10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life. Rev 2:11 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death. Rev 2:12 And to the angel of the church in Pergamos write; These things saith he which hath the sharp sword with two edges; Rev 2:13 I know thy works, and where thou dwellest, even where Satan's seat is: and thou holdest fast my name, and hast not denied my faith, even in those days wherein Antipas was my faithful martyr, who was slain among you, where Satan dwelleth. Rev 2:14 But I have a few things against thee, because thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a stumblingblock before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication. Rev 2:15 So hast thou also them that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitans, which thing I hate. Rev 2:16 Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth. Rev 2:17 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it. Rev 2:18 And unto the angel of the church in Thyatira write; These things saith the Son of God, who hath his eyes like unto a flame of fire, and his feet are like fine brass; Rev 2:19 I know thy works, and charity, and service, and faith, and thy patience, and thy works; and the last to be more than the first. Rev 2:20 Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols. Rev 2:21 And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not. Rev 2:22 Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds. Rev 2:23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works. Rev 2:24 But unto you I say, and unto the rest in Thyatira, as many as have not this doctrine, and which have not known the depths of Satan, as they speak; I will put upon you none other burden. Rev 2:25 But that which ye have already hold fast till I come. Rev 2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations: Rev 2:27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father. Rev 2:28 And I will give him the morning star. Rev 2:29 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches. Rev 3:1 And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write; These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars; I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead. Rev 3:2 Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die: for I have not found thy works perfect before God. Rev 3:3 Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee. Rev 3:4 Thou hast a few names even in Sardis which have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with me in white: for they are worthy. Rev 3:5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels. Rev 3:6 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches. Rev 3:7 And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write; These things saith he that is holy, he that is true, he that hath the key of David, he that openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth; Rev 3:8 I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name. Rev 3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee. Rev 3:10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth. Rev 3:11 Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown. Rev 3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name. Rev 3:13 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches. Rev 3:14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God; Rev 3:15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. Rev 3:16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth. Rev 3:17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked: Rev 3:18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see. Rev 3:19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent. Rev 3:20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me. Rev 3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne. Rev 3:22 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches. Religion is one of the four hidden dynasties being used by the antichrist.
    The Popes are a dynstsy of antichrists, but as for four hidden dynasties I have never heard of such a thing.
     
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    There are many types of Antchrist through out the bible and history but they are only types of the ONE to come that is SATAN he rules from Jerusalem will claim to be Christ himself not just a pope as I said God says this is a World delusion Alll peoples nations and Tongues are deluted not just Christian
     
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    Again you are trying to make mens ideas fit Gods Word no one is defending the catholic church they have many abominations so do Muslims, Jehova wittness's mormons and on and on But the point here is what does God and scripture say. God says its a Harlot religion that All Men the whole world will follow just because one religion is worse than others doesnt mean its the Harlot religion. But hey guys believe what you like but I'm telling you God never says its the catholic church he never even say its a Christian church ? He says its a Religion of the beast a Harlot religious system Ruled by Antichrist (Satan) claiming to be christ standing in the holy of holies ( where he ought not) in Jerusalem Killing the two wittness's in Jerusalem there isnt a single thing in Gods Word about catholics or Rome being this Harlot religion. I'll follow God you are free to believe men if it suits you. You havent a single verse in Gods Word that says this yet you chose to believe it Men following men be my guest.
     
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