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They don't just want acceptance...they want to rule the world.

Discussion in 'Current Events & Politics Forum' started by justbyfaith, Nov 2, 2019.

  1. justbyfaith

    justbyfaith Well-Known Member

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    This is what the homosexual agenda is truly about...

    Now there is a transgender person running for a lower office in California, who actually succeeded already at obtaining an office lower than that.

    If the world accepts homosexuality the way that the gay agenda wants, you can be sure that there will eventually be a President who is homosexual or (God forbid) even transgender.

    Romans 1 tells us that those who engage in that lifestyle do so because the Lord has given them over to a reprobate mind...

    So the end result would be the world voting into Presidential office someone with a reprobate mind.

    You don't have to even have a logical mind to understand that such a thing would be disastrous for our country.
     
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    And this hasn't already happened?

    My stance on homosexuality is that it is a sin, but covered by gràce. I have many Christian Brothers, sisters and whatever's that I love and accept despite their sin. As they do me.

    But yea, there is a problem.

    It's destroying women's athletics because men are claiming to be women are competing.

    What's worse, I have seen articles claiming that gals are afraid to go to public restrooms.

    A person's sexual preference doesn't matter to me... But denial of it and demands that I believe a man is a woman is beyond what I can do.

    If this agenda is allowed to continue, it's gonna get worse! I just hope enough girls appreciate a man for what he is, and vice versa. But I am not optimistic.

    I'm 50 years old and married to a real woman. I might be worried if I was 14.
     
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    justbyfaith Well-Known Member

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    Homosexuality is not "covered by grace".

    The biblical view on it is that there are those who once practiced the lifestyle who are "washed, sanctified, justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God..." and that this has to do with the fact that "and such were some of you." (1 Corinthians 6:11).

    Therefore those who are redeemed from it are redeemed from the practice entirely and completely washed of their sin...there is no longer any remnant of the old in them... they are completely regenerated and renewed (see also Titus 3:5).
     
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    It's ever so curious how some people qiluote the Bible to support their stance, but always Cut off one verse short. What does 1 Cor 6:12 say?

    And you miss what Titus 3:5 says. It's a verse that speaks more of Grace and mercy.
     
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    1Co 6:12, All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any.

    Here, Paul is addressing the excuse of the Corinthians wherein they picked up on Paul's teaching and took it overboard to say that they could do anything and there would be no consequences.

    Paul states that while all things may be lawful, all things are not expedient; and that we ought not to do anything that will bring us under its addictive power.

    We are free to do anything that we want; but if we do certain things that are sinful, we won't be free any longer: and would be headed down a path that leads to perdition.

    As for Titus 3:5:

    Tit 3:5, Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

    Yes it is speaking of mercy; but it is saying that through that mercy we are changed from the inside out (regenerated and renewed) so that we are not the same as we used to be. Thus, those who were homosexuals will be homosexuals no more. "And such were some of you."
     
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    2 Cor 2:
    [9] And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.

    A soul is not saved, lest it be Forgiven, and Restored.
    A spirit is not quickened, lest it be Forgiven, Circumcised, cut off, and the Seed of God planted to birth a man, a new spiritual spirit, of a spiritual God.
    A body is not raised in glory, lest it First become DEAD, washed in Jesus' BLOOD, sanctified, justified, covered.

    We Observe homosexuals "exalting" their homosexuality, "flaunting" their pride in their homosexuality, encouraging others to be Proud, and Accepting of their homosexuality.

    However homosexuals are individuals, just like everyone else. They simply have a Different preference for a SEXUAL mate.

    A homosexual, like anyone else, (a drug addict, a thief, a whatever, that Scriptural Precepts teach against)...CAN and DO Believe and Commit their lives TO the Lord.

    Gods Grace and Forgiveness applies to THEM, as it does to any other person who heartfully believes, and confesses.

    WILL homosexuals, thieves, liars, blah, blah, ENTER Jesus' Kingdom? No.

    Why not? Or rather, HOW not?
    Because those who SHALL enter Jesus' Kingdom....SHALL Be "bodily" RAISED in a SPIRITUAL body of Glory...

    Their "natural" FLESH DESIRES, shall be MOOT. Attraction to the Opposite sex, Same sex, drugs, lying, thievery, etc....MOOT.
    Overcome, kaput, By the Power of God.

    So does commitment of an individual MEAN instant change in "their flesh desires" ? No.

    When you Observe...a band-stander promoting homosexuality, thievery, cheating, deception....they can not promote Against the Truth and be FOR the Truth....their standing is clear.

    When you Observe .... a person who is a homosexual, a thief, cheater, etc. and they are NOT promoting, flaunting, waving a banner of pride....most likely are struggling with with own FLESH desires....and very well CAN BE Already IN Christ...

    We can not know a persons inner struggles with homosexuality, compulsion to lie and cheat....But we CAN KNOW THEIR STANDING...IN Christ.

    Regardless of What a persons FLESH does...
    A man IN Christ......
    CAN NEVER Deny or Speak Against Belief IN the Lord God.

    Glory to God,
    Taken
     
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    My guess is the US has already had a few gay or bisexual Presidents. There have been rumors about Washington, Buchanan, Lincoln, and Kennedy. Kennedy was almost certainly bisexual.
     
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    Funny how we try to use (read: abuse) Scripture to justify our personal beliefs. Some people INSIST we can't judge SIN, when in fact we simply can't judge INDIVIDUALS who are outside the church.

    And so although GOD cannot accommodate sin, somehow arguments are presented as though GOD can accommodate sin and even ignore the need for confession and repentance.

    We SHOULD know that sin is unacceptable, and that we can't judge the INDIVIDUAL outside the church, -- but what how should we address it inside the church, -- turn a blind eye; tell them GOD LOVES YOU; pray for them; confront them? Yep, EACH ONE is CORRECT, and the others are INCORRECT depending upon the perspective of an observer. -- NOT!

    GOD has specified how we are to address sin in the church:

    1 Cor. 5:1 It is actually reported that there is immorality among you, and of a kind that is not found even among pagans; for a man is living with his father’s wife. 2 And you are arrogant! Ought you not rather to mourn? Let him who has done this be removed from among you.

    3 For though absent in body I am present in spirit, and as if present, I have already pronounced judgment 4 in the name of the Lord Jesus on the man who has done such a thing. When you are assembled, and my spirit is present, with the power of our Lord Jesus, 5 you are to deliver this man to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.


    But some apparently hold "Social Christianity" above GOD's requirements, and actually condemn the sinner to HELL, rather than to repentance.


    Bobby Jo
     
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    Lies to propagate the homosexual agenda...
     
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    We seem to live in a time where people think they can dismiss anything by stating "it's a lie." You are imitating Trump here. If some news story says something he doesn't like, he says, "Fake news" and hopes people believe him; and many do. You present no evidence. All you can say is "lies."

    Kennedy's very close friendship with an openly gay man was rather well known. Less well known perhaps is how he spent a week with him on his yacht. I first heard about it when I lived in Washington in the 70's. Since then some people have started talking about it more openly.

    JFK may have had gay experiences with friend claims biographer | IrishCentral.com

    There is an article at the Smithsonian about James Buchanan. The author seems to think he wasn't gay; but he gives various details that suggest he easily could have been.

    The 175-Year History of Speculating About President James Buchanan's Bachelorhood | History | Smithsonian Magazine
     
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    If anything JFK wasn't gay but may have experimented with that type of sexuality that God calls an abomination. Same with Buchanan. Those who claim to be gay have no attraction to women at all; I'm pretty certain that both of these men had their women that they loved; and therefore they could not be identified as gay and perhaps not even bisexual; because experimenting with that type of behaviour does not define you as being of that sort. You would have to like it to be of that sort.
     
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    Being saved, cleansed and regenerated does not suddenly, organically change an orientation. Many out there don't care if they have sexual relations with a man or a women, both will do for those (Bi-sexuals), they HAVE a choice. If a man or women who is fully "gay" repents and comes to the Lord, I believe they are to remain celibate and pray for God to give them the strength of mind and body to do just that. Not an easy saying. Sexual orientation is just that, an orientation...doesn't just suddenly CHANGE! They can only be celibate and that is the truth so, go pick on another sin in that group would ya? You come off as HATEFUL of people God LOVES. Do you think their life is easy, staying celibate for the sake of the Lord? Of course not but, His grace is more sufficient than anything and He will make a way, like always! It's no wonder that gay people dislike "Christians" so much, since it is the pet sin to pick apart to the detriment of all the others. You people just want someone to hate and feel all puffed up and self righteous about it. You have no clue.
     
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    I have a close relative whom I love who is of that persuasion; and I certainly do not hate him.

    Most certainly, God lists homosexuality alongside of such sins as fornication, adultery, bestiality, and theft.

    Therefore, if we are going to minimalize the gravity of this behaviour (in question), then we must also minimalize the behaviours that it is listed alongside of.

    The problem with homosexuals is their "pride". They do not even count what they do as being a sin; and in this I would say that they are defecating on the moral values of God's righteous standard.

    The Bible is clear that those who practice homosexuality have been given over to a reprobate mind.

    It is fine and dandy to let their agenda go to the extent that it already has in our culture; but now they want to press it even further. They will not rest until they are actually ruling America.

    And I would say that such a thing is dangerous for our country.

    The question you should ask yourself is, Do I want someone with a reprobate mind to be in charge of the full military power that has been given to the United States?
     
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    Nevertheless, He calls their sin an abomination.

    If they will not be separated from it through faith in the blood of Jesus, know that their sin will be cast into the lake of fire and they along with it.
     
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    God is in the business of doing miracles.

    A homosexual orientation is not based on DNA.

    It develops in most cases because of molestation; and God is able, by His Holy Spirit, to heal the wounds that are caused by such things.

    We are fearfully and wonderfully made. God did not create anyone with an inclination towards such unnatural behaviour. He would be defeating His own purpose.

    The #1 cause of homosexuality in Romans 1 is the lack of being thankful to the Lord; and the #2 cause is buying into the theory of evolution and/or idolatry.
     
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    "Therefore, if we are going to minimalize the gravity of this behaviour (in question), then we must also minimalize the behaviours that it is listed alongside of."

    How have I minimalized ANY sin??

    "The problem with homosexuals is their "pride". They do not even count what they do as being a sin; and in this I would say that they are defecating on the moral values of God's righteous standard."

    Pride is behind most all sin. You can also use the word "people" in the place of "homosexuality".
    You look at the videos that the media show on TV with the Pride Parades and all you will see are the most extreem and in your face people, this is not the norm for gay people as they (the huge majority of them) just want a simple, law abiding right to happiness like every body else takes for granted. Then we have black pride, white power, and all sorts of prideful people out there. The gay's do not understand our God as most Churchs never let them through the doors.

    "It is fine and dandy to let their agenda go to the extent that it already has in our culture; but now they want to press it even further. They will not rest until they are actually ruling America."

    Whatever makes you or anyone else think gays have an "agenda"??? They just want to be left alone, they are not trying to "change" anybody into anything at all! Ooooh...were gonna make your children all gay!!! Please, that is just rediculous. They need prayer not judgement and who are you to be judging those outside the Church anyway?

    As far as reprobate minds...pretty much all of the recently past presidents were quite reprobate, especially the guy in the White House now.
     
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    If I had time right now, I could cite a whole lot of sins that are an abomination to God.
     
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    Why would someone keep "experimenting" with it if they didn't like it the first time?

    I see history isn't your strong subject. You think Buchanan secretly was in love with his black maid? Some people do think that. I doubt however that anyone would say John Kennedy really loved Jackie.
     
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    If you are trying to make Christians look like uneducated bigots, it is working. There is no way I would want to be around you. I find you a complaining and unpleasant person whose goal in life seems to be boss others around and make them miserable. My life might be easier here if I put you on ignore.
     
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    Wow. Awesomely put @Taken
     
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