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    Sounds like plain old Trump bashing. Since no one in any Western government is a paragon of virtue, Christians should simply sit on their hands and let the devil take control through the Communists and Leftists.
     
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    Exactly. CNN has gone about as low as any News Network can go. And they are simply a propaganda arm for the Democrats.
     
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    I commented on that writer's article who claims to be a minister and let him know I did a fact check on this and there was nothing. However Ted Cruz popped up being accused of having 5 mistresses which fact check could not confirm.
     
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    The article wasnt about the shortcomings of the president specifically... It wasn't a bash Trump piece. The article was about the willingness for Christians to compromise their own ideals if their agendas were being favoured. You are both correct that no western leader is pristine... And the church had formerly made no bones about criticising them and demanding greater effort and transparency in their performances... Until Trump. Why him? The only difference between Trump, Bush, Clinton, Obama, and others, is that Trump has promised the conservative right political power and influence. My question is... Why does the conservative right want political power and influence? Since when has politics been God's favoured means by which to convert a nation?
     
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    And btw, the article wasnt about CNN either. It was about the responses by Christian women leaders to questions regarding their approval or disapproval of Trumps character. Many Christians around the world are asking the same questions, and are concerned over the same replies.
     
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    Whatever your source was claiming Trump wanted political power and influence is a lie from satan. The reason there are so many attacks against Trump is because one of his campaign promises was to drain the swamp. Political corruption has been around for awhile now and it continues to get worse as politicians are in the pockets of foreign investors and leaders to trade secrets and intel...pay for play....JFK was not a player and was assassinated because of His agenda and policies he wanted to implement.
    Do you ever wonder how a senator with a 2 year term and a 140k a year salary all of a sudden has a net worth of 3mill.
    Biden used his position as VP to get China to do business with his son.
    The "Deep State" is real....it is a band of politicians who are running their own underground government and are selling us out to foreign governments and businesses
    The WikiLeaks founder who hacked Hillary's emails was exposing a ton of dirt on her....and where is he now? The deep state had to shut him up.
    Trump has reinstated prayer in the White House...every morning prayer breakfast....Trump is pro-life....Trump loves our great nation and before running for president he was invited to numerous events of the elite politicians and leaders from both sides hoping to gain his financial support to their campaign. He probably gained alot of info during those years.
    Trump has God's supernatural favor on him and for whatever sins he was guilty of in the past is forgiven and he is seen daily in prayer with religious leaders who keep a hedge of protection around him.
    Trump seeks to abolish abortion....secure our borders and rebuild our infrastructure.....he has no support from either side....only those who voted for him and believe in his agenda to make America Great Again.....foreign countries are starting to show respect to America again.
    Obama nearly depleted our military of personnel and weapons crippling our military to the point if war started out we would lose because their weapons were way outdated in comparison to Russia and China.
    Trump has rebuilt our military, allotted funding for new equipment....fighter jets and tanks. Latest technology in drone and satellite technology.
    Trump has negotiated with businesses to build their products in America....jobs are up, unemployment the lowest ever, stock market (around 12k when election day was here) as soon as he waa elected....stock market started having record highs.
    Trump has implemented the toughest war on opioids ever....laws passed to track the pharmacies dispensing of narcotics.
    You can't get a 30 day supply of narcotics anymore....10 days at a time.
     
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    It wasn't Trump who was referenced as being power hungry... It is those church leaders who are willing to compromise their moral integrity in favour of political power and influence.
    I clearly see many positives in Trump's leadership. I have no doubt that America is way better off with him at the helm than was ever likely to happen with Clinton, or any of the other Republicans for that matter. But the greatness of America isn't too be looked for in military might, financial wealth, or international popularity. Righteousness exaltsa nation. And that righteousness does not come through political means. What America needs is the deep repentant personal heart and soul wrenching hunger and thirst for righteousness that only the holy Spirit can deliver... Neither the church, nor the nation, needs Donald Trump for that.
     
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    Don't forget money too. . . .
     
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    It needs a president who will protect our religious freedoms! They were talking about taking In God We Trust off the coins and bills....because it offends non christians....
    Christianity is under attack and we need leadership who will stand for our right to worship and serve our God who blessed this great nation from the beginning....
    Trump is doing that.
     
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    I get that. Here is another article that speaks to that issue....Religion as a Private Matter
     
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    I haven't felt the least little bit of a threat to my religious freedom.

    Putting "God" on our money also offends me. I associate money with mammon. If we need our money to tell us we trust in God, we're really worse off than I thought. Our churches have failed utterly if that's the case.
     
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    The beginning of the decay of christian values started with the civil war....followed by WW1, then the Great Depression, WW2, and just down the road the Viet Nam war...racism was on the rise as immigrants from all over came and in time demanded their constitutional rights be protected and their religion and culture should be given respect and some even demanded americans conform to their ways....so now our cities are divided by poor or rich, color, culture, religion and the opportunists were quick to monopolize on the supply and demands of a multi-cultured city.....politicians citizen.and as younger generations witnessed the hypocrisy of their Christian peers they began to reject christianity....hence the free spirit generation who rebelled against social dogma, racism, war, and anything that didn't promote peace and brotherly love for one another became the heroes our kids looked up too.....so now the rise of drugs! Big time! TV is now in every home and the world is now hypnotized and influenced by what they perceive as reality.....
    Remember the old dracula and Frankenstein movies? People believed they really existed.
    News was reported factually but Nevertheless it was mostly depressing. Nothing but war, disease, murder, politics.
    Mobs began to enter the US and setting up territories to control for the sale of cocaine... politicians and cops could be paid off....racketeering and bootlegging! The black market is now thriving and guns could be bought by anyone of any age if ya had the dough....drastic rise in homicides, EVIL has risen to a level we could never see coming in just 1 decade.
    The assassination of JFK stirred many Americans to begin to suspect their government or rather their elected leaders of corruption. So election campaigns began to become smear campaigns against the 2 major parties. And the constituents on both sides began to hate each other for their political differences. So now if your neighbor is a Democrat and you are Republican the battle was on....and these very same neighbors used to attend church together.....smh....and the Pastors began preaching sermons that caused even more confusion and division by condemning other faiths of false doctrine....so now we are in the 70's and we have full blown division politically and religiously.
    How could it get worse? Madame O'Hare....an atheist who filled a complaint stating she was being denied her freedom of religious beliefs and her children were being forced to adhere to the Christian beliefs in school. Her case went all the way to the Supreme Court who ruled in her favor and ordered all public state funded schools to cease prayer and bible reading in classes.
    Wonder where the Christians were during this time......oh yeah they were letting God take care of it....
    Also in the 70's the explosion of technology began with the invention of the desk top computers with the dos program....
    Aids and other new forms of diseases started infecting every race and culture.
    Hollywood has introduced R rated movies.....violent content, blood, sex, and drugs!
    Money is neither good or evil it is just a means with which we can accurately buy and sell what we have need of.....and let's not make this the subject of what I was saying....the intent of my post was to alert whoever wants to read it of what is happening.
     
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    UH OH...someone stepped up to POINT OUT...men are flawed?

    LOL...!!

    when is a supposed "minister" going to STAND UP and STAND WITH THE TRUTH, instead of being lead by naysayers?

    LAWS were created FOR the LAWLESS.
    As a guide, a direction.

    Marriage of ONE man and ONE woman...
    Pretty confidant Trump is One man and participated in a Marriage with ONE Woman, several times.

    Scripture says...
    1 Tim 5:
    [8] But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.

    Pretty confidant Trump has PROVIDED for His Wive(s) and Children.

    WORSE than an UNBeLIeVeR (infidel)...YIPES....HOW MANY Americans, who Claim to be (Converted) Christians...
    DO NOT PRIVIDE FOR THEIR OWN? But instead PAWN off their CHILDREN to be PROVIDED FOR BY a "daddy" government?

    NOT a Secret, all men are born IN Corrupt flesh...

    NOT a Secret, Every Law given the Hebrews/tribes/Jews...were designed for a Greater Purpose....Teaching men....through relationships BETWEEN men....IN PREPARATION for men to HAVE a PERMANENT RELAtIONSHIP with God.

    Not a Secret, men are flawed...However the BIG Picture is men and women get married to people that are NOT LIKEMINDED...NOT LIkE-HEARTED, NOT LIKE-SPIRITED....and depart that relationship....in seach FOR another who IS LIKE-MINDED, LIKE-HEARTED, LIKE-SPIRITED....

    Doesn't the Lord God Himself...WANT US TO DEPART FROM those who ARE NOT LIKE God HIMSELF?

    Isn't the BIG Picture REALLY ABOUT, a man Becoming LIKE God....and Learning "ONCE" a relationship IS FORMED Between A man and Thee Lord God....it is FOREVER?

    Think about it...Scripture itself, says...should two (a man and a woman) part ways...write the bill of divorcement.

    And there IS no marriages of Men and women in Gods Kingdom.

    Really...should men and woman PRETeND to the World they are VIRTUOUS, being called by Titles that IMPLY celibacy and then behind closed doors rape little boys...become pregnant and put the child in an orphanage...? IS THAT taking care of ones own? Eh no!

    Ladies as Guests of "CNN" who have portrayed themselves "on a moral high ground"....sorry gals...you have the same natural flesh like everyone else....corrupt and flawed!

    When Trump does NOT take care of His own....and YOU become compelled by law to TAKE CARE OF and PAY for Trumps personal choices....YOU MIGHT have a Valid complaint....

    When YOU HEAR TRUMP SPEAKING AGAINST GOD....YOU MIGHT have a Valid complaint...

    UNTIL THEN...take a lesson from Jesus...Put away your stones...

    And you might take another lesson from Scripture....BE A CHEERFUL GIVER.

    When is the LAST TIME "YOU" worked, earned, and GAVE YOUR Salary Away?

    President Trump does that every Quarter when he is PAID for BEING the POTUS.

    How refreshing to have a President who is NOT constantly bartering away the Peoples Wealth in exchange for money to stuff in their personal POCKETS!

    Glory to God,
    Taken
     
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    And not one church filed an amicus brief in that case. At the time churches didn't feel they needed school teachers to teach children how to pray. It sounds to me as if maybe you don't want religious freedom, you want the government to impose your religious ideas. As Kennedy said at the time, everyone is free to pray at any time. That remains true too.
    You seemed to think God should be on our money. I asked what the point would be? Just so we can pretend we're a Christian nation? Idle displays of piety are not going to fix America's problems.

    In other places Christians are actually being killed for their beliefs. I think I have it pretty good.
     
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    Focus on the emphasis of what I am addressing...removing all content of God in the public view. It isn't about "money" it's about "in God We Trust"....which is offensive to non Christians.
     
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    I think it's not having religion in things the government pays for. Churches are still free to do what they want. So are you and so am I. If the government's paying for something, then we get on touchy territory. European countries had done that, and look at the millions of people who died when Protestants were fighting Catholics.

    Think about the Inquisition too. There a Catholic king had just conquered Spain and he was afraid of Muslims and Jews. Heresy became a secular crime as well as a religious one. The Inquisition would grill people; and if they found them guilty a second time, they turned them over to state which burned them while priests offered them Communion. I don't religion and politics mix too well. Jesus said his kingdom was not of this world, it doesn't depend on armies and policemen. Christianity becomes something else when the government gets involved.

    The colonies (with one exception I think) had different state religions. They wanted to form a union, and that meant there couldn't be a federal church or most of the states wouldn't have joined.
     
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