This world and the wicked are going up in a puff of smoke when Jesus come - thus negating Premil

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There is a constant tension throughout the New Testament in regard to the imperfection of this age and the perfection of the age to come, the temporal nature of our current age and the eternal character of the age to come. Scripture deals a lot with the imperfection and suffering of this age and this world and is particularly highlighting the fact that this creation is not what God designed it to be. The theme is both consistent and well-defined.

But when Jesus comes He removes the old temporal corrupt arrangement and replaces it with a new perfect eternal arrangement. He will destroy anyone that does not belong to Him. He is coming to resurrect man, judge man, exercise perfect judgment, reward every man according to his works, glorify the redeemed and glorify all creation. He is introducing perfection forever. He will introduce a totally righteous and just arrangement devoid of all rebellion.

Job testified in Job 14:12-14, So man lieth down, and riseth not: till the heavens be no more, they shall not awake, nor be raised out of their sleep. O that thou wouldest hide me in the grave, that thou wouldest keep me secret, until thy wrath be past, that thou wouldest appoint me a set time, and remember me! If a man die, shall he live again? all the days of my appointed time will I wait, till my change come.”

Job is (by his own confession) including himself in the resurrection in view. He clearly identifies the great hope of the resurrection of the dead (which expressly here includes himself – an Old Testament saint) and places it at the time when the heavens (and therefore the current earth) pass away and consequently witness the appearance of the New Jerusalem at the last day. The word translated “till” here is the Hebrew word ad that is consistently interpreted “unto” or “even unto” elsewhere throughout the Old Testament. Therefore, we can rightly understand this passage as saying: “So man lieth down, and riseth not: even unto the heavens be no more.”

This earth has been gradually degenerating since the Fall. That is why people lived a lot longer at the beginning and why the earth would have probably produced a great deal more bountifully. Because of its degenerating state, creation will be regenerated and brought back to its pristine state. We see that in Psalm 102:25-27, which predicts, “Of old hast thou laid the foundation of the earth: and the heavens are the work of thy hands. They shall perish, but thou shalt endure: yea, all of them shall wax old like a garment; as a vesture shalt thou change them, and they shall be changed: But thou art the same, and thy years shall have no end.”

This earth is depicted in Scripture as gradually decaying to such a stage that it needs replaced. The surface of this earth is metaphorically likened unto a well-worn overcoat that needs replaced with a brand-new spotless garment. This is shown throughout the sacred pages to occur at the second coming. Christ is not going to replace the current tattered earthly coat with another deteriorating coat, as Premillennialists imagine. No! But rather a new perfected garment.

Jesus says of His coming in Matthew 24:35-39: Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming [Gr. parousia] of the Son of man be. For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming [Gr. parousia] of the Son of man be.”

The removal of the current heaven and earth is here connected to the coming of the Lord. After telling us that “heaven and earth shall pass away” Jesus immediately tells us: “of that day and hour knoweth no man.” This final day that is approaching is coming unexpectedly. This fits in with the “thief in the night” scenario found elsewhere in Scripture. It would seem to confirm that the day that Christ returns is the day when the current corrupt natural order (both the creature and creation) is gloriously changed. The wicked and all corruption are destroyed when Jesus comes. The Lord here identifies the passing away of “heaven and earth” with “the coming of the Son of man.”

Christ describes this day as an unanticipated day for many – one that will find many unprepared. For those who are playing at religion they will be caught on. They will face the same punishment as the “hypocrite” when He comes: “there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.” The wicked are an all-inclusive group; they include every Christ-rejecter – from the religious professors to the outright profane hypocrites. They will all be caught in the destruction when they are left behind and the “heaven and earth ... pass away.”

The coming of the Lord is presented as the closing day of time and history. It is a day that sees the final and total destruction of the wicked. In fact, after presenting the events that preceded the flood of Noah’s day that saw the obliteration of the wicked, Christ highlights the fact that the judgment “took them all away.” He then likens it to the day of His return, explaining, “so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.” All these associated elements are carefully brought together to demonstrate the climactic nature of Christ’s return.

Jesus said in Mark 13:24-26, 31-32: “But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken. And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and gloryHeaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away. But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.”

Christ speaks of “the days of Noe” (plural), speaking of the days that preceded the destruction of all the wicked. He then spoke of “the day” (singular), speaking of the actual day when the wicked were wiped. This contrast between “the days” and “day” is common in Scripture and is presented in order that we can distinguish between “the lasts days” of time and “the last day” of time, that ushers in the end. The actual day that Noah entered into the ark "the flood came, and took them all away." It was therefore an individual day that God closed the door of the Ark and by doing so damned all those that were left behind. The same will occur when our ark – Christ – arrives at the second coming.

Jesus said in Luke 21:25-27, 33-36: “And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring; Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken. And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great gloryHeaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away. And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares. For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth. Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.”

Christ is exhorting His listeners here to be ready for His return, and that He will pour out his wrath upon all mankind who are not prepared, ready and rescued. He shows that this is the final event that sees the heavens and the earth shall pass away.

He is coming to rescue us and change us. We will look at that in more detail as we progress.

Can you see what happens to heaven and earth when Jesus comes? Can you see what happens to believers when Jesus comes? Can you see what happened to the wicked when Jesus comes?

They are destroyed by fire. The rebellion of the wicked is finally eliminated forever.
 
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The wrath of God is sudden and totally destructive. No one survives as this passage tells us. I Thessalonians 5:2-7 the enormity of this climactic event: the day of the Lord will come (or appear or arrive) as a thief in the night. For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness. Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober. For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night. But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation. For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ.”
  1. Do you literally believe Christ is coming suddenly and unexpectedly "as a thief in the night" as the Bible says (1 Thessalonians 5:2)?
  2. Do you literally believe the wicked will experience "sudden destruction" from His appearance as the Bible says (1 Thessalonians 5:3)?
  3. Do you literally believe the wicked "shall not escape" as the Bible says (1 Thessalonians 5:3)?
The “wrath” of God is here linked with the “sudden destruction” that befalls those that are in the dark when Jesus comes. Significantly the whole context of this reading is the destruction of those who abide in darkness and the rescue of those who are in light. There is no third group that is half enlightened. Despite the destruction that hits all left behind the writers reassures the believer that they will escape this awful fate.

I Thessalonians 5:2-7 confirms that it isn’t just Christ’s coming that is sudden but also the destruction that accompanies. Likening Christ’s return to “a thief in the night” capably serves to impress the surprising nature of His coming for the lost. It shows that the wicked are caught abruptly in their folly at the apocalypse. The “sudden destruction” is so impactful that none escape. That is explicit in the narrative. Furthermore, we learn that the speed that the pain of childbirth hits a woman will be like the destruction of the wicked. It is not saying that 'the whole child-birth experience is like the coming of the Lord' which would be needed to allow for the Premil understanding. After all, they have to stretch the judgment out over centuries, but it is not found in this text. In doing this they diminish the sudden nature of the destruction.

The coming of Christ is here (as 2 Peter 3) likened to the appearance of “a thief in the night.” Moreover, the narrative demonstrates that the judgment that accompanies this climactic event is instantaneous and that it involves “sudden destruction.” Its focus is directed fully and entirely upon the sum-total of the wicked, not merely a percentage of them. This group that is referred to as “they” who “shall not escape” relates to the aggregate Christ-rejecting community alive at His return. They are later described as those who are “of the night” and “of darkness.” It is they alone that experience immediate and “sudden destruction” which “cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child”; and “they shall [assuredly] not escape.” This climactic event pulls down the curtain on time and concludes the affairs of this life.
 

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II Thessalonians 1:7-10 says, the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, in flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power; When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) IN THAT DAY.”

How could the wicked survive this? It is impossible!

Amils take this literal! This is complete, wholesale, and total destruction - for those left behind. There are no survivors! There are no goats left to enter into the supposed Premil future millennium!!!

How does anyone left behind survive this? What unsaved person is exempt from this description “them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ”?

Christ appears at His Second Advent “in flaming fire” with the purpose of taking “vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ.” There is hence absolutely no provision made for unbelievers surviving this all-consummating event. The destruction of the total wicked comes from the actual appearance of Christ at the time of the Second coming. Expressly, it is “the presence of the Lord” and “the glory of his power” that causes the destruction of the wicked at the end. It is clearly not a thousand years after the Lord’s appearing as the Premillennialist would try and argue. Neither is there any exceptions, no allowance is made for natural Israel or for the so-called ‘sheep nations’, as Premillennialists try to do.
 
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As you quoted, Mark’s says the stars will fall. This fits with Isaiah who speaks of the heavens “rolling up like a scroll.” Revelation 6 has a similar description. These descriptions are why I simply cannot except a millennial age following the second coming of Christ. It seems to me that not only earth but also earths solar system will be destroyed at his coming.
 

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As you quoted, Mark’s says the stars will fall. This fits with Isaiah who speaks of the heavens “rolling up like a scroll.” Revelation 6 has a similar description. These descriptions are why I simply cannot except a millennial age following the second coming of Christ. It seems to me that not only earth but also earths solar system will be destroyed at his coming.

So true! Well put! The climactic detail here and the all-inclusive rescue and destruction described, totally negates the Premil reasoning. It forbids a future sin-curse goat-infested death-blighted millennium.
 
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God's Plan to redeem humans and the earth, is a staged process; from Adam to Abraham. then Jesus and now the Church Age. Soon to come will be the events leading up to the glorious Return of Jesus. when He will lead the world, a time of peace and prosperity, without sin until the end of that thousand years, when Satan will be released for a short while.
Then comes the final Judgment and the spiritual Eternal state.

This is the scenario as given to us in the Bible, any other dreams and schemes are wrong and cannot happen.
 
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God's Plan to redeem humans and the earth, is a staged process; from Adam to Abraham. then Jesus and now the Church Age. Soon to come will be the events leading up to the glorious Return of Jesus. when He will lead the world, a time of peace and prosperity, without sin until the end of that thousand years, when Satan will be released for a short while.
Then comes the final Judgment and the spiritual Eternal state.

This is the scenario as given to us in the Bible, any other dreams and schemes are wrong and cannot happen.

Instead of just presenting your personal opinion, discuss the clear Scripture above that shows that the destruction mentioned occurs when (1) Jesus arrives/comes, it emanates from His very "presence," and it is is wholesale and "sudden" - none escape. Premils have no answer for that. Every aspect of their teaching contradicts this. That is why they cannot talk about these passages - they expose the Premil theory.
 

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They have happy lions and lambs, and bad goats getting hit over the heads with iron rods. ;)

Yes, until their millennium of unparalleled peace and submission to Jesus where the lion and the lamb finally rest together in unity and love and where the glorified saints enjoy final bliss is destroyed by the roar of the Premil slaughter trucks pulling up to take these same innocent sheep to Jerusalem for slaughter, because the cross was not enough for them. How cruel and pointless! Then after a thousand literal years of supposed perfect peace and harmony where Jesus rules with a rod of iron, the millennial inheritors turn en-masse to Satan in their billions as the sand of the sea. It is this false picture and misplacement of Revelation 20 that Premil portrays that doesn't add up.
 

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The Premil theory can only survive by avoiding clear and repeat climactic Scripture. They have no answer to it. That is why they avoid threads like this like the plague. This is why Amils have to repeat their posts so often. It is impossible to get Premils to acknowledge and address this truth.

Revelation 19:11-16, “And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall shepherd them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.”

A plain reading of the passage before us reveals that Christ is coming back with wrath to execute judgment and destroy all those left behind. He is not going to reward men for their rebellion by leading them unto the glorified new earth. Neither is Christ coming to engage in some ill-fated war against evil for a thousand years – that is not remotely in the text. The King of kings and Lord of lords will not have to fight for victory. He already won that decisively at the cross.

He is going to obliterate the wicked when He comes not reward them as you do and welcome them into your so-called future millennium. He will smash them to shivers. There is no one left to populate your supposed future millennium. I have already showed you this and you have skipped around it. I will repeat:

Revelation 19 is climactic. It is the end of the world and the end of the wicked. It therefore forbids the Premil paradigm.
Christ is seen pouring out His wrath without mixture upon the nations as He smites them in His fury witha sharp swordthat comes out of his mouth.” What is the result of this act? It shall “smite the nations” that have missed the catching away. This is what awaits the nations. They are going to be smitten. The word for “smite” in this text is the Greek word patasso, which means to strike with a weapon or to smite fatally. It means to smite down, cut down, to kill, slay.

Let us be clear: He is Coming to smite down the nations, not corral them into some sin-cursed, goat-infested, death-blighted millennial age. It says that he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.” This is not a pretty sight. This is not loose talk by God. This is not something that the nations should look forward to. What awaits the nations that have rejected Christ is utter destruction and devastation. The nations left behind are totally destroyed. Christ destroys them by the very utterance of His mouth.

The two words interpreted “fierceness” and “wrath” here are thumos and orge which are regularly employed in the New Testament to mean ‘fierceness, indignation, wrath and vengeance’. The word orge carries the additional meaning of ‘violent passion’. Clearly the Lord is not happy with those left behind. Like those left behind in Noah’s day and Sodom they face an awful end, as they receive the reward of their rejection of Christ.

The picture being portrayed here is that of the grapes being crushed by the vineyard worker making wine – only trodden in righteous anger. The reference to “the winepress” is symbolic language denoting the fate of the wicked when Christ appears – that is why it is called “the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.” The Christ-rejecter misses the catching away, and is consequently trampled underfoot like grapes being crushed in a winepress. The grapes are the disobedient of all nations. How can these rebels possibly escape such a furious end? True judgment and righteousness has now arrived in the form of Christ and the glorified saints. Like every other Second Coming passage, this is climactic language describing the final end of rebellious man.

It is hard to think how the Holy Spirit could have used more cogent illustrations to show the annihilation of the wicked. Rather than showing their gracious preservation from the wrath of God they are actually seen to be the focus of His awful fury at His return. Rather than being welcomed into some supposed glorious future millennial kingdom the ungodly are shown to be decimated at the second coming. The wicked are likened unto grapes that are crushed in the vineyard and a clay pot that is broken to bits when found to be flawed and unusable. How can anyone impute blessing upon the recipients of this fiery destruction? How could anyone turn the wrath of the Lord upon the wicked in Revelation 2 and 19 into some kind of spiritual blessing?
 
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Revelation 19:17-18 continues, “I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God; That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great. And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army. And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone. The loipoy (or remaining ones) those left behind were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.”

Please see that the wicked are destroyed by the sword of His voice. This is complete wholesale total destruction - for those left behind. There are no survivors!

The feasting part of the marriage supper of the Lamb is a symbolism depicted the destruction of the wicked. Why can this not be a symbolic depiction of the return of Christ and the events that accompany it (including the destruction of the wicked)?

The first part of the narrative outlines a detailed account of the assignment given to “the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven” by the heavenly messenger. The “fowls” are instructed to “come and gather” themselves “together unto the supper of the great God” in order that they would “eat”:

The flesh of kings,
The flesh of captains,
The flesh of mighty men,
The flesh of horses, them that sit on them,
The flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.

This passage powerfully and solemnly reveals the full extent of the devastation that is to be focused upon the wicked on the day of God’s wrath. In perfect keeping with the rest of Scripture, this narrative graphically shows us that the destruction that occurs will be immediate, absolute and total and that, at this stage – after “the marriage of the Lamb” (Rev 19:7) – everyone left behind will be completely consumed; the birds of heaven filling themselves with “the flesh of all men.” Significantly, the suffix “both free and bond, both small and great” is added in order to fully impress the enormity and all-inclusive nature of this feast.

The whole thrust of this reading surrounds a climactic end to the world. Like the rest of Scripture, it records the complete rescue of the saints in the “marriage of the lamb” and the complete destruction of the wicked when the fowls consume the entire wicked left behind. The passage makes no allowance for goats-survivors in this great destruction passage or mortals squeezing into a supposed future millennium. This reading seems to fit in with the scriptural pattern of an all-consummating Coming - all the wicked being consumed.

The second coming of the Lord Jesus Christ will be a unique day in the annals of human history and unprecedented in its all-consummating character. Obviously, no other day has ever seen the end of the world and the final complete defeat of every last enemy of righteousness, truth and Almighty God. Neither has any other day seen the destruction of all wickedness by way of fire before. Notwithstanding, the Lord draws our specific attention to two notable days in human history to compare it with, and to fully illustrate the character and finality of this all-consummating day. These two particular days are familiar to most and are found in Holy Writ (both in the Old Testament), and give us an unparalleled insight into the nature, extent and detail of judgment on that impending last day. While, evidently there is no previous individual bygone historic example of a total global annihilation of the wicked by fire, these two individual days, when joined together, vividly portray what will occur on the final day of time. These two former days being (1) the day that Noah entered into the ark and (2) the day that Lot was rescued out of Sodom.
 

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The coming of the Lord is presented as the closing day of time and history.
Well that is a FALSE impression. There will be many events on earth after the Second Coming of Christ. But too many people make a mishmash of Bible prophecy and thus there is much confusion. Time and history will not stop at that point at all.
 
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Well that is a FALSE impression. There will be many events on earth after the Second Coming of Christ. But too many people make a mishmash of Bible prophecy and thus there is much confusion. Time and history will not stop at that point at all.

Not true. The second coming is the end.
  • There will be a connection between the glorification of man and the glorification of creation at the end, just like there was a connection between the fall of man and the fall of creation at the beginning.
  • What was introduced at the beginning will be concluded at the end. One is the antithesis of the other. All of time and history can be found in between these two particular events.
  • The Greek word eschatos means end, last, farthest or final. The word telos means the termination, completion or that by which a thing is finished.
  • Scripture identifies “the end” with “the coming of the Lord” when Jesus arrives in majesty and glory.
  • Scripture shows “the last day” to also be the day when Jesus returns.
  • One will only truly understand “the last day” (singular) if one understands when “the last days” (plural) are.
  • The Lord always rescues His people before pouring out His final judgment upon man.
  • The description that accompanies the Lord’s return is fiery comprehensive, and sudden. No one survives.
  • To inherit the incorrupt age to come, God has to suitably change us into incorrupt beings. Basically, He is going to perfect us so that we are qualified to inherit the perfect world to come.
 
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the destruction mentioned occurs when (1) Jesus arrives/comes, it emanates from His very "presence," and it is is wholesale and "sudden" - none escape.
You conflate the Sixth Seal with the glorious Return:

We are plainly told that the Sixth Seal is the wrath of God and the Lamb. Rev 6:16-17
We are also plainly told that Jesus simply kills the attacking armies at Armageddon, by the Sword of His Word. He also uses an earthquake and hailstones. Revelation 16:18-21
There is no fire or dramatic cosmic signs at the Return, whereas the Day of wrath prophesies, describe dramatic things in the sun, moon, space objects and our atmosphere.
The second coming is the end.
That the glorious Return of Jesus is NOT the end, is easily proved. He comes to Jerusalem, specifically; to the Mt of Olives, Zechariah 14:4, and He gathers His own people to Him, Matthew 24:30-31. He then commences His time of Rulership, as opposed to His first Advent as a suffering servant. It was the many Prophesies about His Kingdom that confused the 1st Century Jews. They will be fulfilled and there is not much time left, before it all happens.
 

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When Jesus returns 7th trump, the wicked go to sheol, its holding place for the spirtualty dead or wicked. Luke chapter 16, thiers two sides of the Gulf. Neither side can cross over. Paradise on one side and sheol the other side. Revelation chapter 20, the wicked, those found unworthy, will go with satan into lake of fire, at the end of millennium. I documented this. Proverbs 5:22. His own iniquities shall take the wicked himself, And he shall be Holden with the cords of his sins. The wicked destroy themselves.
 

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You conflate the Sixth Seal with the glorious Return:

We are plainly told that the Sixth Seal is the wrath of God and the Lamb. Rev 6:16-17
We are also plainly told that Jesus simply kills the attacking armies at Armageddon, by the Sword of His Word. He also uses an earthquake and hailstones. Revelation 16:18-21
There is no fire or dramatic cosmic signs at the Return, whereas the Day of wrath prophesies, describe dramatic things in the sun, moon, space objects and our atmosphere.

That the glorious Return of Jesus is NOT the end, is easily proved. He comes to Jerusalem, specifically; to the Mt of Olives, Zechariah 14:4, and He gathers His own people to Him, Matthew 24:30-31. He then commences His time of Rulership, as opposed to His first Advent as a suffering servant. It was the many Prophesies about His Kingdom that confused the 1st Century Jews. They will be fulfilled and there is not much time left, before it all happens.

Here we go again - avoiding the scriptural texts before us. Premils avoid these as if they are not in the Word and do not say what they say. The bad news for Premil is: they are and they forbid Premil. You then misinterpret other clear Scripture to support your claims. That is your theology in a nutshell. Anyway, the sixth seal is the end of the world. It is over. No one survives. Whatever angle we look at SCripture it negates Premil. That is why Premils avoid threads like this.
 

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Be sure to tell Him that in this spirit-only reign of yours over heaven and earth.


Both times.


True. Not just to condemn as some falsely teach and hope for, and are eager to watch Him from the sidelines execute them all.



I just wonder which of the two you look forward to most.

And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days.

Jesus Christ comes to save as much flesh as He can. Your prophesied christ comes to destroy as much flesh as he can:

The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

Hello! Now is the day of salvation, the only day of salvation. There is not salvation after the coming of Christ. There are no wicked left as the Op shows and as you so habitually sidestep. The day of salvation has been ongoing since the Fall (Isaiah 49:8 and 2 Corinthians 6:2). It is the “acceptable time” or “acceptable year” (Isaiah 49:8, 61:2, Luke 4:19) to be saved. “Today” is an age of grace the only day to respond to His voice (Hebrews 3:7-8, 4:7). There is no other day of hope after this day for salvation.

The second coming brings a close to the day of salvation. Repeated Scripture shows that now is the only day of salvation. After showing us the destruction of this earth, the works that are in it, the heavens, the elements when Jesus comes, and after describing the longsuffering of God in the days of Noah before the destruction of all the wicked, Peter responds to the mockers scoffing at the apparent delay in Christ's return: “the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation” (2 Peter 3:15). See also Romans 2:4. He was reaffirming that salvation is limited to this side of the second coming. A sign of the end is that the Gospel must “be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come" (Matthew 24:14). The second coming brings the curtain down on the great commission. Once the ark door closes it is too late (Matthew 25:10-13, 28:19-20 and Act 3:19-21). At the end of this age (or literally, the consummation of the age), the time of God’s grace will finally be complete.
 

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the sixth seal is the end of the world. It is over. No one survives
Who among us shall dwell or live with this everlasting fire? Isaiah 33:14

He is not speaking to the wicked. They will be as the burning of lime and thorns cut up. He is not speaking to the children of disobedience. They are of the synagogue of Satan. God is speaking about the third group: the overcomers, a group of people who are going to walk through the fire. God's people do not live in fear of what is coming upon the earth. We should be looking forward to it. Praise God!

Peter writes that we should be:
Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat. 2 Peter 3:12

It is our day of freedom! We should be tired of the bondage and the pressures the world has put on us. We should be looking for His appearing that we may see Him as He is. Isaiah asks:" . . .who shall dwell with the everlasting fire?"

Isaiah proceeds to answer his own question:
The person who behaves righteously, and speaks the truth; he that refuses to be enriched by oppression, that refuses bribes, that stops his ears from hearing of blood, and closes his eyes from seeing evil. It is them who shall dwell in high places: in the safety of the mountains, their food and water shall be sure. Their eyes will see the King in His beauty: they will see the land that is very far off. Isaiah 33:15- 17

Isaiah speaks of the people with a vision that see the Promised Land. These who walk righteously and speak truthfully. They stop their ears from hearing of war and bloodshed and close their eyes from the seeing of evil. These are a people that have set a guard on their eyes and their mouth.

Isaiah is speaking of violence. Our society is filled with violence. All the media and entertainment are full of violence. It seems everywhere we look there is evil; T-shirts that children wear with Satanic symbols, the grocery store check-out lines, all the smut magazines glaring you in the face. These kinds of things need to be shut out of our lives.

Those who are going to walk through the fire have made a covenant as Job did:

I made a covenant with mine eyes; why then should I think upon a girl? Job 31:1

Isaiah made a promise to those who will walk through the fire,

You will walk thru fire and it will not harm you. Isaiah 42:2

Malachi further states this, after the Day; burning like a furnace comes:

But unto you that fear My name shall the Sun of Righteousness arise with healing in His wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall."
Malachi 4:1-2
God's people will be completely taken care of.

Jesus stated, "I am come to send fire on the earth . . ." Luke 12:49
Just as the flood covered the earth, so will this fire cover the whole earth. Zephaniah 3:8, Isaiah 66:15-17

There are three groups of people and the effects of the "Day of Fire" will differ for each. The first group contains a vast multitude. There are less in the second group and very few in the third group. Every individual has a choice to make as to what group they are going to be in. We can be in a safe place or we can be of the first group and die. This depends on our personal relationship with God. We still have some time left to get our lives in order, but it must be done quickly.

"Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought you to be in all holy conversation and godliness? 2 Peter 3:11

What manner of person ought you to be? Today is a good day to ask ourselves where we are going to be in the Day of Fire. What is it going to mean to us? Is it going to be a day of judgment? Is it going to be a day of cleansing? Or is it going to be a day of overcoming and freedom?

If we are looking for our religion to get us through, it will not. It is not religion, but relationship that God is looking for.

God is looking for a sold-out people who are not looking around to see if the world is approving what they are doing. God is looking for a people who are going on, with head held high, and are true Christians.

We have God's promise that if we seek Him, we will find Him. The time of preparation is almost over. Those who are prepared will enter in. Those who are not prepared will be cast out. Ask yourself this question today:

WILL I BE ABLE TO STAND ON THE DAY OF FIRE?
by George Kirkpatrick
 

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Who among us shall dwell or live with this everlasting fire? Isaiah 33:14

He is not speaking to the wicked. They will be as the burning of lime and thorns cut up. He is not speaking to the children of disobedience. They are of the synagogue of Satan. God is speaking about the third group: the overcomers, a group of people who are going to walk through the fire. God's people do not live in fear of what is coming upon the earth. We should be looking forward to it. Praise God!

Peter writes that we should be:
Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat. 2 Peter 3:12

It is our day of freedom! We should be tired of the bondage and the pressures the world has put on us. We should be looking for His appearing that we may see Him as He is. Isaiah asks:" . . .who shall dwell with the everlasting fire?"

Isaiah proceeds to answer his own question:
The person who behaves righteously, and speaks the truth; he that refuses to be enriched by oppression, that refuses bribes, that stops his ears from hearing of blood, and closes his eyes from seeing evil. It is them who shall dwell in high places: in the safety of the mountains, their food and water shall be sure. Their eyes will see the King in His beauty: they will see the land that is very far off. Isaiah 33:15- 17

Isaiah speaks of the people with a vision that see the Promised Land. These who walk righteously and speak truthfully. They stop their ears from hearing of war and bloodshed and close their eyes from the seeing of evil. These are a people that have set a guard on their eyes and their mouth.

Isaiah is speaking of violence. Our society is filled with violence. All the media and entertainment are full of violence. It seems everywhere we look there is evil; T-shirts that children wear with Satanic symbols, the grocery store check-out lines, all the smut magazines glaring you in the face. These kinds of things need to be shut out of our lives.

Those who are going to walk through the fire have made a covenant as Job did:

I made a covenant with mine eyes; why then should I think upon a girl? Job 31:1

Isaiah made a promise to those who will walk through the fire,

You will walk thru fire and it will not harm you. Isaiah 42:2

Malachi further states this, after the Day; burning like a furnace comes:

But unto you that fear My name shall the Sun of Righteousness arise with healing in His wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall."
Malachi 4:1-2
God's people will be completely taken care of.

Jesus stated, "I am come to send fire on the earth . . ." Luke 12:49
Just as the flood covered the earth, so will this fire cover the whole earth. Zephaniah 3:8, Isaiah 66:15-17

There are three groups of people and the effects of the "Day of Fire" will differ for each. The first group contains a vast multitude. There are less in the second group and very few in the third group. Every individual has a choice to make as to what group they are going to be in. We can be in a safe place or we can be of the first group and die. This depends on our personal relationship with God. We still have some time left to get our lives in order, but it must be done quickly.

"Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought you to be in all holy conversation and godliness? 2 Peter 3:11

What manner of person ought you to be? Today is a good day to ask ourselves where we are going to be in the Day of Fire. What is it going to mean to us? Is it going to be a day of judgment? Is it going to be a day of cleansing? Or is it going to be a day of overcoming and freedom?

If we are looking for our religion to get us through, it will not. It is not religion, but relationship that God is looking for.

God is looking for a sold-out people who are not looking around to see if the world is approving what they are doing. God is looking for a people who are going on, with head held high, and are true Christians.

We have God's promise that if we seek Him, we will find Him. The time of preparation is almost over. Those who are prepared will enter in. Those who are not prepared will be cast out. Ask yourself this question today:

WILL I BE ABLE TO STAND ON THE DAY OF FIRE?
by George Kirkpatrick

You have to hide behind your internet quotes. That is because you have no answer to what was presented. What is more, you diverted it away from the 6th seal. You have to!
 

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This world and the wicked are going up in a puff of smoke when Jesus come - thus negating Premil​


And he can't hardly wait! Pass out the popcorn folks. No wait, just some kernels, we'll have a lot of fire coming down soon.

And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days.

Jesus Christ comes to save as much flesh as He can. Your prophesied christ comes to destroy as much flesh as he can:

The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.