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Thou Shalt Tithe

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  1. Brother Mike

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    Thou Shalt Tithe​



    By Brother Mike................


    OK, OK, this subject has already been run into the ground. If you think you have tons of scriptures and reasons not to tithe, Then your just a late comer. I think I have heard them all.

    I tithe. I have been a tither for some time, and it's the blessed life. I tithe because I see it in the scripture, I feel that God has never changed, and what he called theft then, has to be theft now. I mean, adultery is still adultery right??

    I consider the tithe a tenth (10%) of what I bring in money wise. Jesus told the rich young ruler to sell all, and turn it into money, then give it to the poor. So, actual money is important for those that want to argue about not having cattle.

    I am not going to go into a bunch of scriptures. Already done that in other post, but want to focus on something Jesus said.

    Mat 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

    Now people have pointed out that the New Covenant had yet to come at this point, and that tithing was expected out of those religious leaders because they were under the Law.

    However, the Head of our Church, Jesus who has never changed (Heb 13:) connected Judgment, Mercy and faith with things they should have done, and they should have kept tithing, or not leaving that undone.

    Now the Question is, is Judgment, mercy and faith also something that is passed away? Of course not, we are told to do all three of those. So then, tithing would not have passed away, because our Lord connected that with Judgment, Mercy and faith.

    You would think God would have mentioned somewhere, that something He at one time considered stealing from him, as being passed away. I mean stealing from God is a pretty big thing, and taking a tenth from your income is pretty significant. Yet, Jesus never mentioned it not being for Today, and he certainly had a chance to do so in (Mat 23:23) and nobody by the Holy Ghost mentioned it in the NT.

    What was the tithe for??

    Mal 3:10 Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.

    The tithe was designed to keep the Work of God going. It takes money to pay light bills, Mortgage payments for your Church, if not paid for yet. It goes to upkeep of the Church, and empowers your Pastor to do what God called them to do. Jesus is in the business of building his Church, and you and I being a part of the Church have a roll in it's upkeep, and support. A tenth given faithfully is part of our love, and covenant toward the things of Jesus. However, it's not all about just sowing, there is also reaping. Your get a harvest on your tithe!!!!

    What did God say, He said to prove him that if you will bring the tithe in, then He will pour you out blessings. You will be the blessed!!! Only insane people would not want to be a part of the blessing, but if you feel that you need to keep your money, then God won't bother you with this abundance of blessing. God won't bother you with tithing or with that abundance of blessing. Tithing shows God, that his kingdom is first, and all the things you need, will be added unto you, in abundance. I know, I am completely blessed, and God just surrounds me with blessings. We just sowed 1,000 to someone, then sowed a brand new 800.00 bed, then turned around and sowed another several hundred to buy food. You can't do that, if you don't have it.

    My wife and I started small, but God has enabled us to Sow more and more. In fact, God uses us more and more, because we have shown him that we will give our last penny if he asked. Money is just a tool. I can't count the times we have given God all our pay bill money for something he wanted to do for someone. I would rather have someone else not as strong in faith, have all that fear and worry removed by meeting their needs. I already know God will supply mine, but we must think about where other people are at, and that they do need help. This is above and beyond the tithe. All the Glory goes to God, because without Him, we could never do this..............


    Luk 11:42 "But how terrible it will be for you Pharisees! For you are careful to tithe even the tiniest part of your income,[h] but you completely forget about justice and the love of God. You should tithe, yes, but you should not leave undone the more important things.

    Love and justice have not passed away, you can start to have the abundant life, where God can use you more and more. It just takes the faith to step out, and give God what is His. Jesus has never Changed, and what he is building, must always come first.

    Jesus Is Lord
     
  2. Templar81

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    I don't tithe myself, nor know anyone who does but. My Bishop is trying to encourage people to do it. Perhaps one day I will. I just found out on our Church's AGM last Sunday that our diocese is the poorest in the church of England but has also reaised more money for the Church's charities then any other in the Church of England. I couldn't help remembering the parable of the woman who only gave a couple of rusty old coins int he temple whilst the rich folks were pouring out silber and gold, and Jesus asked, 2who gave the most."
     
  3. Brother Mike

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    Thank you Brother Templar81 for your honest response. Before you decide or not decide to tithe. I want to remind you that God does not want us in any kind of Bondage.

    I tithed faithfully (Tried to) for some time, and find myself behind in what I "Owed God". Sometimes it got into a few Hundred Dollars, and I would attempt to make this up. I did pay God back, but the Lord started to deal with me about the reason I was tithing.

    You see, it was not a revelation to me as why we should tithe, I just wanted blessed and not to steal from God. I also wanted to show God that I was faithful, but I was not always on time. So, I was making myself miserable, and putting myself under condemnation. The Lord helped me though.

    The tithe is not really about money. It's a spiritual principle that helps supply the Gospel. It is a "Put God and his things first seed"

    Jesus said seek first the Kingdom of God......... then all these things shall be added unto you. (Matt 6) In fact, Matt 6 talks a lot about giving, and how not to give. Where your heart is, your treasure is there also.

    I was tithing to get blessed, and because I did not want to be a thief. I missed the whole principle.

    When I started to look at God being first in everything in my life, and have control of my money, then things changed. I started focus on the Kingdom needs, and my covenant with God.

    So, when I get paid money, I set God's tenth out right away, before anything else gets looked at. Jesus and building the Church and the things of God was what I needed to be focused on. Before, I would spend money, then figure what I "Owed" God. I was not thinking of God first, or seeking the Kingdom first. It took some revelation of just how much the Lord cares about this Gospel being sent out, well then I care also.

    As time went on, the Lord has enabled me to not only tithe, but he started asking me to sow money above and beyond that. He will not bother those that he knows are hung up on keeping their money.

    I also noticed more blessings in my life. Both my vans where bought for me, and more than once someone has just came forward to pay our rent. Normally after I gave everything to someone God put on my heart. I can't even began to list the amount of money and stuff people have sown to me. I put God first when it comes to Money, and the Lord honors me with money.

    Pro 3:9 Honour the LORD with thy substance, and with the firstfruits of all thine increase:

    1Sa 2:30 Wherefore the LORD God of Israel saith, I said indeed that thy house, and the house of thy father, should walk before me for ever: but now the LORD saith, Be it far from me; for them that honour me I will honour, and they that despise me shall be lightly esteemed.


    Before you decide to tithe, spend time with God, spend some time looking up scriptures, and make sure why you would make that choice. It is a blessed life.

    Jesus Is Lord
     
  4. jiggyfly

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    Well context is generally ignored when teaching an obligation to tithe. The scriptures concerning tithing have become so misrepresented and twisted that most people haven't a clue about the scriptural truth concerning the tithe.


    This is God's law to Israel concerning the tithe
    Deuteronomy 14:22-29
    "You must set aside a tithe of your crops--one-tenth of all the crops you harvest each year. Bring this tithe to the place the LORD your God chooses for his name to be honored, and eat it there in his presence. This applies to your tithes of grain, new wine, olive oil, and the firstborn males of your flocks and herds. The purpose of tithing is to teach you always to fear the LORD your God. Now the place the LORD your God chooses for his name to be honored might be a long way from your home. If so, you may sell the tithe portion of your crops and herds and take the money to the place the LORD your God chooses. When you arrive, use the money to buy anything you want--an ox, a sheep, some wine, or beer. Then feast there in the presence of the LORD your God and celebrate with your household. And do not forget the Levites in your community, for they have no inheritance as you do.


    "At the end of every third year bring the tithe of all your crops and store it in the nearest town. Give it to the Levites, who have no inheritance among you, as well as to the foreigners living among you, the orphans, and the widows in your towns, so they can eat and be satisfied. Then the LORD your God will bless you in all your work.


    If the tithe is holy so is beer[​IMG]
     
  5. Brother Mike

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    Jiggyfly


    Bout time you showed up.............. I thought you forgot our 14 some page thread on tithing a year or so ago on another forum.

    I thought you were getting soft, but nope, you did not let me down. Here ya are!!!! :p

    Now, drink your beer, and tithe!!!!!

    Jesus Is Lord
     
  6. jiggyfly

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    LOL, sorry Mike but I done spent my tithe on the beer.
     
  7. Templar81

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    I would like to tithe someday, though I'm not sure now is the time. I don't know though if I should tithe to my parish or my diocese. Botha re poor and both have helped me a lot. Saying that I do donate to my church every weeka d support it in its mission work with young people, plus I'm thinkjng of becoming a lay Eucharistic minister or at least a server (serving the blood of Christ to communicants during Communion). Perhaps when the post is open I might become a Church warden or sidesman.

    I think that if you can't help with money, you can always help by doing something and being a part of things. In the UK church congregations are much smaller than in the US and it is easier for people to help out in various roles around the church that at one time would be done by paid staff., e.g. Verger, Sextern, Curate etc. All I mean is that there are oher ways a Chrsitian and church emmber can serve God and his church, and that money is just one way. So that a person need not feel that just because they don';t tithe, that they have not done their bit, as there are always other ways they can contribute.
     
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    Ok i have a question though regarding job tithing descriptions. What if you have a job where tips are a big part of your income so to speak. Do you still have to tithe on the tips or just the work that your actually paid for?

    God bless :)
     
  9. Brother Mike

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    Templar81:

    Well, that is the thing Brother, why can't someone help with money??? Its the most coveted, and the love of it is the root of all evil.
    If someone is convinced by the Word of God that they should not tithe then fine. They don't have the revelation. If it is because they can't tithe on what little they Got, then God is not first..............and no faith for God to provide such as He said in Phil 4:19

    I am not saying don't tithe, and I am not saying tithe, but it better not be because of the money. FAITH??!!!!

    for now though Templar81, I would follow the example and teaching of your Church. If you heard a Elder say that we Should tithe, then you be under him and should obey, and really consider it. That is why we have teachers and instructors in the Lord. We do not obey to break God's Word, but your position does not sound like that.
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    Brother Gumby!!! Woot woot woot!!!!!!

    I was a server at Olive Garden and Lone Star (umm bar and Saloon, cough... cough..) My wife is a server at the Olive Garden, and soon to be a manager with awesome increase in wages. Not that servers don't make OK money.

    I'll just say this. God says where we Honor him, He will Honor us. 1 Sam 2:30 I want God to honor me when I am on the floor making tips. I want my guest to be happy, and I want that anointing on me, because I get a chance to witness sometimes.
    Tips is where I make most of my money as a server, So at the end of the night, My wife and I have always taken the tenth and set it aside for God. Same with our check, we set that aside right away.

    I also confessed when I served that I make 100.00 tips. Well, I got my 100.00 tip, and was extremely blessed, when other servers did not do so well.

    The only thing I can tell you Gumby is you have to go where your faith is at. Money is the hardest thing to let go, but you will find out right away if that is a thing that could become between you and God.
    God also said "PROVE" if he won't pour you out blessings. Its the only place we are told to put God to the test and see what he is going to do.
    I would follow what your Pastor says about tithing, and look over scriptures, praying and build your faith up before making a commitment. It's just not all about giving, the bible says God is not mocked and you also reap what you have sown. How much more if you decide to faithfully do so.


    Jiggyfly !!!!!

    Well, then grab the boat and that 12 pack. Lets go fishing, but were spending YOUR tithe on the beer. I don't want to be responsible for that. :lol:

    God bless everyone.....

    Jesus Is Lord
     
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    The serving I'm talking about is helping to distribute Commonunion wine, not a job in a restaurant, just to clear things up.
     
  11. jiggyfly

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    God no longer requires a tithe to be given, He did require that some in Israel give a tenth of their increase as a levy to support widows, orphans, foreigners and priests but that was only part of the old covenant with Israel. God has never required anyone else to tithe and since the old covenant has been put away so has tithing. Read all the scriptures in context concerning tithing and giving and try to understand the difference. What is commonly taught today concerning the obligation to tithe is not even scriptural.

    If anyone has scripture to prove otherwise I would like to see it.[​IMG]
     
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    That Was a response to Gumby's "Server Question" Above Brother, sorry for the mix up. Gumby wanted to ask about what to do with tips......



    Thank you for considering my thread in love!!!
     
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    Jiggyfly:

    Oh Brother Jiggyfly. I already tried. You could comment on the scriptures we do have. I gave the one where Jesus said you ought not to leave the other undone. My point was that Jesus also used Judgment and Love (Luke version) and so on.

    The Thing is Brother, we went over this very thoroughly a year or so ago. I learned a lot, because someone that thinks something is scriptural, for some convenient reason does not bother to look up things that are contrary to their position. I am sure you know as a seasoned veteran in the Word that I am not the only person that does this.

    For example, I go over and over scriptures about healing, but people focus on "Paul's thorn' "Jacob's hip was not healed" "Paul left that troph guy sick" "Jesus did not heal everyone at the pool" I go to the trouble of showing the meaning of their scriptures they give to prove healing has long passed away, but they could care less about the evidence I have.

    Tithing is the same way. It's not a bad thing to tithe to the work of our Lord, and some see it as something we should do, others like yourself don't see it in the Word that way. Jesus is still Lord for both, so we Hope the Lord shows which way is right in the future.

    I take it we are not fishing???

    Be blessed.

    Jesus Is Lord
     
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    How is the 90% you keep any different than the 10% you give directly to help others?
    Should we be asking: “What do I have to give or How much can I give?”
    Is not one of the problems with tithing the fact that people actually think they have the 90% too selfishly?
    Can you really be 10% committed or is commitment 100%?
    We have a huge list of things we can do in obedience to God’s will that we can then offer up as worship, in fact we can be in 24/7 worship. Would all our funds not go toward serving others even if that meant feeding ourselves occasionally to have the strength in serving others?
    “ The tithe was designed to keep the Work of God going.” Not hardly, God can have mama fall from heaven, produce water from rocks, cure all the hurting, God can send angels to preach, etc. Tithing is a way for good people to express the Love that God has given them and visibly share in what God is doing. It is for the good of the giver and adds to the witness of the giver. It is a very poor witness compared to the widow’s mite and the Good Samaritan.
    I do not want to bust your bubble, but if your gift is “giving” than the more you give the more you will be able to give in the future, but that has nothing to do with the “quantity” you have, in fact the true gifted givers I have known continue to have less totally and come closer each time to giving the widow’s mite. I would say it is much more likely to work in refers: the more you correctly give the less quantity you will have to give so giving less will actually become much more.
    As far as using Matt. 6: 33, you are not keeping your interpretation in context.
    Are you suggesting all those first century Christians that were poor did not sacrificially give?
     
  15. Brother Mike

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    Hey Bling. I am having a hard time trying to follow you thought of thinking. If you could clear a few things up. I want to make sure I fully understand where your coming from.

    First, if you have taken the time to read all my post, I stated that one should be convinced before they tithe. Not everyone will be, and we need to tithe for the correct reasons. That is putting the Kingdom first. I am not suggesting that a person with what revelation they have is not putting God first, if they don't tithe.

    I stated why I tithe.

    Mal 3:9 Ye are cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me, even this whole nation.
    Mal 3:10 Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.

    1) God was talking to the whole nation, not to rob him by not bringing the tithe.
    2) God is the one that said bring the tithe to the store house so that there can be meat. So, even if God can rain Mc Donalds down from heaven, this is the way he has chosen.
    3) God said those that do tithe and bring offerings, will have blessing. What Christian does not want blessed?

    I already said these things, but you need to dispute what was said. Has God changed his view on stealing? Has God changed his view on supply for the Church? Does God change or change not? And is there a scripture that tells us not to tithe, or do we just throw that under all things mentioned in the Law, and not for us today.

    My interpretation is pretty straight forward with what Jesus was saying. To me if Our Lord says something, I should not second guess him. He said you should continue to tithe. He is head of the Church,

    Luke 11:42 ........................You should tithe, yes, but you should not leave undone the more important things.

    Now you can say Jesus was just talking to those under the Law, Well, he also said anyone that believes on Him should not perish. Was that just for those who where there? I think we should take everything he said serious, and he would have told us if something as drastic as setting aside 10% was going to be done away with. He would not leave that out. He did that with everything else.

    Joh 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.

    Also what does being poor have to do with anything. 10% is from what you bring in. 5.00 a week or 500.00 a week. I don't see why that is in question.

    As you stated it's not the "quantity" However, we are told we reap what we sow, and Our seed is multiplied. So, the more you give, the more that comes in. If your talking about giving everything, then that is not a tithe. This topic is about tithing. We give 10%. Just this week we also gave 1,000 and sowed away our brand new bed (800.00) We offered that. We don't count that as Tithing.

    So, if you think I missed the interpretation somewhere, then break it down.......... Others will read these things and may make choices on what they learn and read.

    Be blessed.

    Jesus Is Lord
     
  16. mjrhealth

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    I do not tythe, neither do I go to church. I am here to let God use me to build His Kingdom, not mens churches. I give to those in need, never expecting anything in return, for people I give to cant pay me back. Do i expect an increase from God, No, for I am His servant and this is no more then what is expected of me.

    In His Love
     
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    Ahhh, sounds like you have learned the true expression of power through faith Mjrhealth. What it is to become an unprofitable servant. Then the kind of faith that can say to the mulberry tree "may God uproot and throw you into the sea" and it obeys you, comes.


    Isn't it so liberating to be free from the confines of religious imprisonment and paradigm Mjrhealth?[​IMG]
     
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    Just found this.

    1Co 7:21 Art thou called being a slave? care not for it: but if thou mayest be made free, use it rather.
    1Co 7:22 For he that is called in the Lord, being a slave, is the Lord's freeman: likewise also he that is called, being free, is Christ's slave.
    1Co 7:23 Ye are bought with a price; be not ye the slave of men.

    The word is "doulos", a slave.

    You are a slave of Christ, He paid for you with His life. You are His and His alone. You belong to no man, no country, no religion. You where bought to do His will, a good servant does his masters bidding, He has no life, for it belongs to His master.

    Man have I learnt a lot about that lately.

    A slave is paid for, IE, you where paid for with a price", a servant is hired and paid a wage and can leave anytime he chooses.

    In His Love
     
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    Excellent! And it becomes a reality through experiential knowledge.

    I like the account in Luke 17:5-10.
     
  20. Brother Mike

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    Using scripture gentlemen to take what belongs to God???


    Tithing is not bondage, it is a privilege. Only someone wanting to hold on to their cash would consider it a bondage.

    It's a shame we have to use scriptures to justify being a thief.................... tsk.... tsk....

    You boys need to loosen up that pocket book, get your eyes off what little you have, and be a blessing to God and his Kingdom.

    Jesus Is Lord
     
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