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Three Days and Three Nights

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  1. rstrats

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    Whenever the three days and three nights of Matthew 12:40 is brought up in a "discussion" with 6[sup]th[/sup] day crucifixion folks, they frequently argue that it is a Jewish idiom for counting any part of a day as a whole day. I wonder if anyone has documentation that shows that the phrase "x" days and "x"nights was ever used in the first century or before when it didn’t include at least parts of the "x" days and at least parts of the "x" nights?
     
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    I'll step out on a limb and offer some insight about 3 DAYS.

    Long before Gods plan was reveled threw Christ men watched the sun and stars. Men knew by watching the shadow of the sun that as the days grew shorter The shadow moved lower and lower. But on the winter solstice this shadow stood still for 3 days "as observed with the human eye" then rose or began it's journey up, the days becoming longer.

    Consider Paul's opening statements in the book of Romans.

    Romans 1:18-23
    [sup]18 [/sup]For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, [sup]19 [/sup]because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them. [sup]20 [/sup]For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, [sup]21 [/sup]because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened. [sup]22 [/sup]Professing to be wise, they became fools, [sup]23 [/sup]and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man—and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things.

    Amos 5:8

    Psalm 19:1-6

    The heavens declare the glory of God;
    And the firmament shows His handiwork.
    [sup]2 [/sup]Day unto day utters speech,
    And night unto night reveals knowledge.
    [sup]3 [/sup]There is no speech nor language
    Where their voice is not heard.
    [sup]4 [/sup]Their line[sup][a][/sup] has gone out through all the earth,
    And their words to the end of the world.

    In them He has set a tabernacle for the sun,
    [sup]5 [/sup]Which is like a bridegroom coming out of his chamber,
    And rejoices like a strong man to run its race.
    [sup]6 [/sup]Its rising is from one end of heaven,
    And its circuit to the other end;
    And there is nothing hidden from its heat.

    Psalm 147:4
    Jeremiah 10:2
    Job 9:9
    2 Kings 23:5
    Isaiah 13:10
    Genesis 1:14
     
  3. Elle

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    Hi rstrats,
    You said:
    Whenever the three days and three nights of Matthew 12:40 is brought up in a "discussion" with 6[sup]th[/sup] day crucifixion folks, they frequently argue that it is a Jewish idiom for counting any part of a day as a whole day. I wonder if anyone has documentation that shows that the phrase "x" days and "x"nights was ever used in the first century or before when it didn’t include at least parts of the "x" days and at least parts of the "x" nights?

    I do believe the part is true highlighted in red, what I don't believe is their understanding of Yeshua being crucified on a Friday and rising on a Sunday. To my understanding Yeshua was crucified Thursday and died at 3:00 PM. This would be part of a day, so 1 day. Yeshua was placed in the tomb before the last rays of the sun left the sky. God starts his days just after dusk when there remains no more light. So Yeshua's 1st night in the tomb would of been Thursday night or the start of the 6th day, so 1 night. Day 2, meaning light in the sky and still part of day 6 and not the start of the next day, would have been Friday or day 6 during the daylight portion, so 2 days. Night #2 would start Friday or beginning of day 7, after the sun had gone down. Day 3 would have started Saturday or day 7 and night 3 would have occurred just after the sun went down going into the 1st day of the week which would have been Sunday. Yeshua was resurrected at the same time the Jews would have been cutting the wave sheaf offering from the field that the High Priest would have waved before God after the sun had rose on the 1st of the week. Below is a diagram to explain the mess I am trying to convey:

    Thursday during daylight hours = 1 day (Nearing the end of the 5th day on God's calendar)
    Thursday during nighttime hours = 1 night (Start of 6th day on God's calendar)
    Friday during daylight hours = 2 days
    Friday during nighttime hours = 2 nights (Start of the 7th day on God's calendar)
    Saturday during daylight hours = 3 days
    Saturday, just barely into the nighttime hours = 3 nights (Start of the 1st day on God's calendar)

    Strong's Concordance offers this as 1 of 4 definitions in regard to the word "day(s)" as used in Matthew 12:40:

    2) of the civil day, or the space of twenty four hours (thus including the night)
    a) Eastern usage of this term differs from our western usage. Any part of a day is counted as a whole day, hence the expression "three days and three
    nights" does not mean literally three whole days, but at least one whole day plus part of two other days.

    So as far as I am concerned, Yeshua was not crucified on a Friday or as some believe, myself included at one time, Wednesday. Rather he was crucified Thursday with 3 hours, give or take, remaining of the daylight. For anyone to say he was crucified Friday makes Yeshua out to be a liar. It is not possible to get 3 parts of a day or 3 parts of a night from that perspective. I cannot offer you any evidence to support that latter 1/2 of your question in regards to: "I wonder if anyone has documentation that shows that the phrase "x" days and "x"nights was ever used in the first century or before when it didn’t include at least parts of the "x" days and at least parts of the "x" nights?"
     
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  4. Raeneske

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    When speaking of the resurrection, you cannot be entirely literal with every single time you come across what Jesus is saying. If you did, you'd have much disharmony within the Bible regarding this. For example (There are more) -

    Mark 10:34 - And they shall mock him, and shall scourge him, and shall spit upon him, and shall kill him: and the third day he shall rise again.

    Mark 8:31 - And he began to teach them, that the Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders, and of the chief priests, and scribes, and be killed, and after three days rise again.

    Matthew 12:30 - For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

    So which is it? Is it 3 days and 3 nights? After 3 days? Is it on the 3[sup]rd[/sup] Day? Consider the following text:

    2 Chronicles 10:5 - And he said unto them, Come again unto me after three days. And the people departed.

    Now watch what it says a couple verses afterwards.

    2 Chronicles 10:12 - So Jeroboam and all the people came to Rehoboam on the third day, as the king bade, saying, Come again to me on the third day.

    It was understood, that come to me after three days means, “come on the third day”. The Day in which it is spoken of/the day that the event takes place and the 3[sup]rd[/sup] day each count as a day. Now, scripture confirms that Jesus rose on the First Day of the Week, and died the day before the Sabbath. That would make the day he resurrected the 3[sup]rd[/sup] day.

    John 19:31 - The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.

    Mark 15:42-43 - And now when the even was come, because it was the preparation, that is, the day before the sabbath, Joseph of Arimathaea, an honourable counsellor, which also waited for the kingdom of God, came, and went in boldly unto Pilate, and craved the body of Jesus.

    Luke 23:55-56 - And the women also, which came with him from Galilee, followed after, and beheld the sepulchre, and how his body was laid. And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.

    Mark 16:1-2 - And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him. And very early in the morning the first day of the week, they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun.

    Mark 16:9 - Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils.

    Jesus died on the preparation day, which is the day before the Sabbath. This would happen to be day #6. He was then moved to the grave on that day, before the Sabbath had come, because they did not want bodies on the cross during the Sabbath Day. That day counts as one day. The Next day was the Sabbath Day, and we see the women rested the Sabbath Day according to the commandment. That would be the Seventh Day, as Exodus 20:8-11 shares with us, which would be Friday sunset to Saturday sunset. This isn’t the day Jesus rises. This is the second day that he is buried. Then, we see the woman after the Sabbath had past bought spices that they may anoint the body. And very early the first day of the week, they went to the scepulcre. On this first day of the week, Jesus rises. That is the third day.
     
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  5. joshhuntnm

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    Jonah spent “three days and three nights” in the fish (Jonah 1:17). But if the normal sequence of Passion Week is correct (see on 26:17–30), Jesus was in the tomb only about thirty-six hours. Since they included parts of three days, by Jewish reckoning Jesus was buried “three days” or, to put it another way, he rose “on the third day” (16:21). But this does not cover more than two nights. Some advocate a Wednesday crucifixion date (see on 26:17); but though that allows for “three days and three nights,” it runs into difficulty with “on the third day.” In rabbinical thought a day and a night make an ōnâh, and a part of an ōnâh is as the whole (cf. SBK, 1:649, for references; cf. further 1 Sam 30:12–13; 2 Chronicles 10:5, 12; Esth 4:16; 5:1). Thus according to Jewish tradition, “three days and three nights” need mean no more than “three days” or the combination of any part of three separate days.

    Carson, D. A. (1984). Matthew. In F. E. Gaebelein (Ed.), The Expositor's Bible Commentary, Volume 8: Matthew, Mark, Luke (F. E. Gaebelein, Ed.) (296). Grand Rapids, MI: Zondervan Publishing House.
     
  6. Elle

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    Hi Raeneske,

    You said:
    "Jesus died on the preparation day, which is the day before the Sabbath. This would happen to be day #6. He was then moved to the grave on that day, before the Sabbath had come, because they did not want bodies on the cross during the Sabbath Day. That day counts as one day. The Next day was the Sabbath Day, and we see the women rested the Sabbath Day according to the commandment. That would be the Seventh Day, as Exodus 20:8-11 shares with us, which would be Friday sunset to Saturday sunset. This isn’t the day Jesus rises. This is the second day that he is buried. Then, we see the woman after the Sabbath had past bought spices that they may anoint the body. And very early the first day of the week, they went to the scepulcre. On this first day of the week, Jesus rises. That is the third day."

    Yeshua did not die the day before the 7th day Sabbath, he died the day before the High Sabbath which was the first day of Unleavened Bread. The 1st and last day of U.B. are both High Sabbaths. The Passover lamb was slaughtered in the afternoon of the 14th, the first day of U.B was the 15th at evening and went until the 21st of Abib, also a High Sabbath day, and ended when evening came and was approaching the 22nd. Afternoon of the 14th was Passover, evening of the 15th would have been the start of U.B. which ended the following evening just before the 16th. Then the regular 7th day Sabbath started the evening of the 16th and continued until just before the evening of the 17th started, which was the Day Yeshua rose.
     
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  7. Raeneske

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    Everything must happen within the three days, in order for it to be scriptural, and in order for it to make sense.

    The reason it's a High Sabbath, was because the yearly Sabbath, and the weekly Sabbath fell upon the same date. Jesus had to die on the 14th, the day before the 7th Day Sabbath. Jesus represents the slaying of the Passover lamb, which is why he died on that day. Remember, these feast days are a shadow of things to come. Which means, Christ has to do what these days dictate will happen, in order for the days to represent Him.

    Joshua 5:10 – And the children of Israel encamped in Gilgal, and kept the passover on the fourteenth day of the month at even in the plains of Jericho.

    The 14[sup]th[/sup] Day of the month, was that Friday, the preparation day of the high Sabbath. That is when the Passover is kept, and they slay the lamb. The lamb which was a type, signified Jesus Christ. Jesus had to die on the Passover day, it was prophesied. He IS the Passover lamb, slain on the 14[sup]th[/sup] day of the month.

    Joshua 5:11 - And they did eat of the old corn of the land on the morrow after the passover, unleavened cakes, and parched corn in the selfsame day.

    After the Passover was the 15[sup]th[/sup] day of the month. This is when the feast of unleavened bread was. The reason it was a High Sabbath, was because both the 7[sup]th[/sup] Day Sabbath, and the feast of unleavened bread happened on the same day. This day was also a holy convocation. That is when the unleavened bread was eaten. Now the next day, which proves Christ rose on the 3[sup]rd[/sup] day.

    Joshua 5:12 - And the manna ceased on the morrow after they had eaten of the old corn of the land; neither had the children of Israel manna any more; but they did eat of the fruit of the land of Canaan that year.

    Leviticus 23:10-11 - Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When ye be come into the land which I give unto you, and shall reap the harvest thereof, then ye shall bring a sheaf of the firstfruits of your harvest unto the priest: And he shall wave the sheaf before the Lord, to be accepted for you: on the morrow after the sabbath the priest shall wave it.

    This is the 16[sup]th[/sup] day of the month. After the feast of unleavened bread (which was a sabbath) the first fruits of the harvest were to be represented. They could not eat of the fruit of the land, until they represented the feast of the first fruits. This was the first day of the week, and it HAS to be the first day of the week. The resurrection happened on that Sunday. Christ the first fruits, and then everyman in his own order.

    1 Corinthians 15:20 - But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.

    1 Corinthains 15:23 - But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

    The 14[sup]th[/sup] Christ was slain as the Passover. The next day was the High Sabbath, the weekly Sabbath, and the first day of unleavened bread. And, “on the morrow after the Sabbath” the firstfruits of the land were represented. That is when Christ was resurrected, and became the firstfruits of them that sleep. He rose on the first day of the week Mark 16:9 says he did, not on the Sabbath day.
     
  8. Elle

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    Hi Raeneske,
    That's all fine and good, but you neglected any mention of the 3 nights. You only focused on the days. Yeshua said he would be in the heart of the earth 3 days and 3 nights. To neglect the 3 nights to make your understanding work is not biblical exegesis. You only account for the night of the 15 and 16th, though you never refer to the night portion. Where is the 3rd night Yeshua mentioned?

    "You said, minus the scriptures used in your post:

    Everything must happen within the three days, in order for it to be scriptural, and in order for it to make sense.

    The reason it's a High Sabbath, was because the yearly Sabbath, and the weekly Sabbath fell upon the same date. Jesus had to die on the 14th, the day before the 7th Day Sabbath. Jesus represents the slaying of the Passover lamb, which is why he died on that day. Remember, these feast days are a shadow of things to come. Which means, Christ has to do what these days dictate will happen, in order for the days to represent Him.

    The 14[sup]th[/sup] Day of the month, was that Friday, the preparation day of the high Sabbath. That is when the Passover is kept, and they slay the lamb. The lamb which was a type, signified Jesus Christ. Jesus had to die on the Passover day, it was prophesied. He IS the Passover lamb, slain on the 14[sup]th[/sup] day of the month.

    After the Passover was the 15[sup]th[/sup] day of the month. This is when the feast of unleavened bread was. The reason it was a High Sabbath, was because both the 7[sup]th[/sup] Day Sabbath, and the feast of unleavened bread happened on the same day. This day was also a holy convocation. That is when the unleavened bread was eaten. Now the next day, which proves Christ rose on the 3[sup]rd[/sup] day.

    This is the 16[sup]th[/sup] day of the month. After the feast of unleavened bread (which was a sabbath) the first fruits of the harvest were to be represented. They could not eat of the fruit of the land, until they represented the feast of the first fruits. This was the first day of the week, and it HAS to be the first day of the week. The resurrection happened on that Sunday. Christ the first fruits, and then everyman in his own order.

    The 14[sup]th[/sup] Christ was slain as the Passover. The next day was the High Sabbath, the weekly Sabbath, and the first day of unleavened bread. And, “on the morrow after the Sabbath” the firstfruits of the land were represented. That is when Christ was resurrected, and became the firstfruits of them that sleep. He rose on the first day of the week Mark 16:9 says he did, not on the Sabbath day."


    BTW, I never said he rose on the Sabbath day. I said: Then the regular 7th day Sabbath started the evening of the 16th and continued until just before the evening of the 17th started, which was the Day Yeshua rose. I can see how you may have interpreted it that way, but what I was saying was the evening of the 17th is when Yeshua rose which was the first day of the week.

     
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    joshhuntnm,

    re: " In rabbinical thought a day and a night make an onâh, and a part of an onâh is as the whole ...Thus according to Jewish tradition, 'three days and three nights' need mean no more than ‘three days’ or the combination of any part of three separate days."


    That quote by Rabbi Eliezar Ben Azariah, is contradicted by Rabbi Ismael, Rabbi Jochanan, and Rabbi Akiba who all agree that an onah was either a day OR a night. "Commentary on the New Testament from the Talmud and Hebraica".
     
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    Jesus went into the tomb on Wednesday Sunset and was risen from the dead on Saturday Sunset. Jesus did spend 3 days and Nights in the Tomb.

    Here is a link to an explaination if you are interested:

    http://www.moresureword.com/whenres.htm


    All Praise The Ancient Of Days
     
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    Of all the replies I agree with yours, the Wednesday to Saturday sunset time frame. I don't agree with the year since the lunar phase was such that the first of Nisan no lunar crescent was sighted, but that's a different topic.

    Discussions like this result when people strayed from Yahweh's calendar so they all have to put in their two cents thinking they are correct.

    Matthew 12:40 states a full 3 days and 3 nights in the tomb, not counting from when he's dead. The other "models" reckon the 3 days from the time of his death, which is unscriptural.

    Yahshua fulfilled the feast days at their exact time., i.e.
    Late Nisan 14: crucified as the Lamb of Yahweh for Passover.
    Nisan 15: Start of the first day in the tomb (Unleavened Bread immediately following). Now 3 full calendar days is simple to figure. That's 15+3=18, 3 days later.
    Nisan18: Firstfruits. We know that Firstfruits always occurred on a Sunday, so if the 18th of the month is Sunday, then what does that make the 15th and 14th, what days of the week? Simple as that. So he arose Saturday late in the day by our reckoning as the 17th closed and the 18th dawned for Firstfruits.

    It's all in the prophetic feasts, and the calendar.
     
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    The evening of the 17th could not have been when he rose. He would not have fulfilled scripture if he did that. For the annual sabbaths/feast days to point to Jesus, he had to do what the Bible said he would do. If he rose the 17th, he did NOT fulfill the Firstfuits harvest which is on the 16th day. It is impossible for Him to have risen after the fact.

    You are taking the "3 says and 3 nights" too literal. If you take it like that, you create a disharmony within the Bible. It is an expression. If you take it literal, you have a problem, because one place says "on the third day" another "after three days" and another "3 days and 3 nights". None of that is in harmony if you take it literally like that.
     
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    Hi Raeneske,

    You said:
    "The evening of the 17th could not have been when he rose. He would not have fulfilled scripture if he did that. For the annual sabbaths/feast days to point to Jesus, he had to do what the Bible said he would do. If he rose the 17th, he did NOT fulfill the Firstfuits harvest which is on the 16th day. It is impossible for Him to have risen after the fact."

    Sure it could, He rose the same time the barley was being cut from the field that the High Priest would wave before God the morning following that night.

    Like I said, the 14th was when he was slain at approximately 3:00 PM, that counts as 1 portion of the 3 days. Going into the 15th or 1st day of U.B. counts as 1 portion of the 3 nights. The day portion of the 15th counts as 2 portions of the 3 days. Going into the 16th counts as 2 portions of the 3 nights. The day portion of the 16th counts the 3rd portion of the 3 days. Going into the 17th counts as the 3rd portion of the 3 nights. The day portion of the 17th, when the high Priest was presenting the wavesheaf to God, was the same time Yeshua would have been ascending into Heaven to present himself before the Father as the first of the firstfruits.

    The 14th would have been Thursday on our calendar, the 15th would have been Thursday/Friday on our calendar, the 16th would have been Friday/Saturday on our calendar and the 17th would have been Saturday/Sunday on our calendar. Our new day starts at midnight, God"s day starts when the last rays are gone from the sky, roughly 6PM. The 17th would have been the first day of the week.

    1st day = 14th = 1 day of 3 day/nights = Near the ending of the 5th partial day of the week
    2nd day and night = 15th = 2 days and 1 night of 3 days/nights = 6th, 24 hour day of the week
    3rd day and night = 16th = 3 days and 2 nights of 3 days/nights = 7th, 24 hour day of the week
    3rd night = 17th = 3 nights of 3 days/nights = Beginning of the 1st partial day of the week

    You said:
    "You are taking the "3 says and 3 nights" too literal. If you take it like that, you create a disharmony within the Bible. It is an expression. If you take it literal, you have a problem, because one place says "on the third day" another "after three days" and another "3 days and 3 nights". None of that is in harmony if you take it literally like that."

    And you are not taking it literal enough. You prefer the traditions of men over what Yeshua actually said. You prefer your 2 nights to his 3 nights. Twisting scripture will not change the fact that Yeshua said 3 days and 3 nights. There is only disharmony in the way you see it, because mine takes into account all 3 nights, yours does not.
     
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    Could you expand on this. Or provide a link to a source of this information.

    The thing about 30 AD it is the only year in the time period in question that could have been the year of the Messiahs execution. Since the Passover had to fall on the Wednesday the 14th of Nisan. as it did that year.


    Yes because of peoples lack of understanding about the Calander day Sabbaths, Known as High "Sabbaths" they do not realise there where 2 Sabbaths during the time of the Messiah's death and reasurection. The normal Weekly Sabbath and the feast of Unleavened Bread. Also a lot of people do not understand that the Biblical Day starts at Sunset and ends at sunset. Knowing these two things opens up a lot of understanding and removes the supposed contradictions in the accounts.


    All Praise The Ancient Of Days
     
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    I have exhausted all options at this point. I specifically pointed out the fulfillment of every feast that Jesus Christ was to fulfil. If Christ rose after the feast of firstfruits, and not on that day, He did not fulfill the prophecy. And not to upset, but the only tradition of men at the moment, is to reject that Jesus fulfilled those prophecies as He said he would. You are being too literal, and will not take the expression as is.
     
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    Hi Raeneske,

    You said
    "I have exhausted all options at this point. I specifically pointed out the fulfillment of every feast that Jesus Christ was to fulfil. If Christ rose after the feast of firstfruits, and not on that day, He did not fulfill the prophecy. And not to upset, but the only tradition of men at the moment, is to reject that Jesus fulfilled those prophecies as He said he would. You are being too literal, and will not take the expression as is."

    Actually I never said he didn't fulfill the feasts, he did and in exact order. You and I just see it in 2 different ways. The wave sheaf is not tied to the 16th. It was never tied to a specific day. Are you by chance a lunar sabbitarian who believes the 8, 15, 22 and 28 are always the days the sabbath should fall on? I must assume you are based off the scriptures you provided earlier. Those scriptures are the one that lunar sabbitarians use to support their theory. If so, then you and I will never agree. I will say this. I made an error in saying he rose at the start of the 17th which was the first day of the week. He rose roughly 12 hours into the 17th. I based my original belief that he rose at the beginning when the barley was being cut from the field, but scripture does not support that. The barley could have been cut before the sun rose at about 5AM. History, outside the Bible, says that the priests cut the barley at the beginning of the 17th. There is only one other thing I can show you from scripture to prove he was crucified on Thursday and not Friday. When Yeshua met up with the men on the road to Emmaus, they told Yeshua it was the 3rd day since the crucifixion. Count backwards 3 days and you end at Thursday. Sunday- Saturday, Saturday- Friday, Friday - Thursday. Luke 24:21 - [sup] [/sup]But we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel: and beside all this, to day is the third day since these things were done.

    Let me ask you one thing, where in your understanding does the 3rd night fit in? I do not understand how you can throw out a part of scripture to hold to your belief. So you are telling me Yeshua lied when he said 3 days and 3 nights? I will believe Yeshua before I will believe some mortal man.
     
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    No, the Lunar Sabbath is false doctrine. The firstfruits was to happen AFTER the Sabbath, as Leviticus 23 tells us. That would be the first sabbath day, of the feast of unleavened bread. Since it was a high sabbath, being a literal weekly sabbath, and the feat of unleavened bread, logically, the firstfruits harvest comes after. It is supposed to happen that way.

    As for the 3rd Night, I said above, i've exhausted all options. You are taking it very literally. The Bible says he will ressurect after 3 days, on the third day, and after three days and nights. Let me try to show you how that cannot harmonize if taken literally:

    I'm going to school on the 3rd day. - Tuesday
    I'm going to school after the 3rd day. - Wednesday
    I'm going to school after three days and three nights - Wednesday

    But, They all mean the same thing, they are just expressions. I have said this before. Asking me to fit the literal 3rd night in, I don't have to. It isn't literal, however you are interpretting is as literal. If it all were literal, it would create a disharmony. Just like I posted above, if it was literal, it'd be disharmonious.
     
  18. Elle

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    Hi Raeneske,
    OK fine. You believe what you like. I will believe what I like. Let's leave it at that.
     
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    Raeneske New Member

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    I edited my post, but agreeing to disagree, this we are doing.
     
  20. tim_from_pa

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    I'm not sure why you think 30AD was the only candidate year Yashua Messiah was to be crucified. No historian totally agrees on the year. The most common span of years considered by historians is usually between 26AD and 36AD.

    Now, using any astronomy program, one can turn back the hands of time to 30AD and see what day of the week new moon was likely sighted. This can be dalayed a day for weather, but if calculations show that a new moon was not capable of being sighted on the day in question, then we can be certain that Passover did not occur on a Wednesday of that year, which is the case. In other words, two weeks earlier the moon was a little before conjuction, or such a place that it could not be seen.

    However, I don't really want to make the year an issue per se. What I am saying is whatever year Yahshua was crucified, it occurred on a Wednesday just as you stated.
     
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